Something Weird I've Noticed Since the Xbone Reveal
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Not sure about the motivations behind the defense posts but they are most certainly there. It seems many of the same individuals like to imply in these defense posts that people are attacking the Xbone based on misinformation or are just the kind of forum goers that ***** about anything, so their criticisms can be safely discounted.The Grim Ace said:
While its always possible there could be some kind of cloak and dagger positive PR spin going on, I think its mostly just fans who can't stand to see someone else pick apart their "Precious."
Though I do have to say they are welcome to their opinion, mine is still to run as far away from Microsoft's Orwellian nightmare machine as fast as my legs can carry me.
Not fully, but most of the specs are known/leaked/can be logically inferred. This website breaks it down and they tell you whats mostly speculation and what's 100% confirmed:LetalisK said:I didn't think Microsoft or PS4 had released tech specs for their consoles.Flunk said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4/2
I doubt the performance difference will be huge, but assuming both consoles have the same price, with the ps4 you'll be paying for better specs and with XB1 you might be paying for the Kinect and features. I don't find the kinect unappealing at all though. It depends on what you want
That's the biggest thing that bugs me about the new Xbox. They were just so dishonest and evasive about their own product, both during the presentation and after (from what I hear the only people clapping where the Microsoft employees at the back of the room >.>). I don't want to buy a console and be involved with a company that's blatantly twisting the truth and so out of touch with their own consumer base.CriesFirstToWin said:
This was supposed to be their pitch, this was their moment to show people what they wanted to see. And they showed shit. Everyone on that stage looked like they were giving a high school presentation and would rather be somewhere else. You can argue that they might show some good things later at E3, but keep this in mind: this was what Microsoft apparently wanted us consumers to see! This crap!
In that regard Sony did so much better. Even with things like the Diablo III anticlimax and Square Enix showing year-old footage.
As this whole Xbone vs PS4 thing is happening I'm picturing Nintendo watching the slugfest while twirling champagne in their hands.
1)Internet connections are mandatory at least some of the time:
Why does the Xbone even have this feature? 'Cause I'm pretty sure it's not for our benefit. I can't even think of a plausible reason for this to exist except Microsoft sees us as theiving jerks who are only out to screw them over.
2)You MUST USE the Kinect:
Kinect's quality is questionable at times. For example, when I was watching the Xbone reveal my Kinect kept thinking I was talking to it and kept kicking me out and sending me to the beginning. Delicious irony.
3)Used games are restricted by licensing somehow:
Read 1. The greed here is so blatently obvious that it's sickening. What's worse to me is that I'm the 'gamer' in my huge family, so I lend my games out to my wide-eyed cousins and tussle their hair and send them along then I turn around and Microsoft punches me in the face and calls me a theiving asshole and I should force them to be buying toys from them instead of sharing.
4)Games MUST be installed:
I already install everygame I get, so I was ready to dismiss this when I remembered that my 360 only has 8 gigs left. This is the biggest Hard Drive available for the 360. And since next-gen games are probably having triple the bytes then it quickly becomes clear that time deleting, installing, and reinstalling is to the point of hampering.
5)They're marketing it as a device that does everything... even games. To gamers that's insulting.
Yeah that is insulting, but so is everything else. I'm more worried about the fact that in trying to do everything it becomes the greater of nothing. "Watch TV, talk to your friends, surf the internet" You're a game console...why are you hiding the game console part? What do they not want to show us?
6)I think it's ugly:
It's funny you said that because I saw a documentary for the 360 saying that it was specifically designed by Microsoft to avoid being blocky since slender is the way of the future. Now that that's over with their going back to blocky.
And that's my post of the day
I like this list because it's inarguable, if thats a word, and people who defend the Xbone need to ask themselves the following.Flunk said:
1)Internet connections are mandatory at least some of the time:
Why does the Xbone even have this feature? 'Cause I'm pretty sure it's not for our benefit. I can't even think of a plausible reason for this to exist except Microsoft sees us as theiving jerks who are only out to screw them over.
2)You MUST USE the Kinect:
Kinect's quality is questionable at times. For example, when I was watching the Xbone reveal my Kinect kept thinking I was talking to it and kept kicking me out and sending me to the beginning. Delicious irony.
3)Used games are restricted by licensing somehow:
Read 1. The greed here is so blatently obvious that it's sickening. What's worse to me is that I'm the 'gamer' in my huge family, so I lend my games out to my wide-eyed cousins and tussle their hair and send them along then I turn around and Microsoft punches me in the face and calls me a theiving asshole and I should force them to be buying toys from them instead of sharing.
4)Games MUST be installed:
I already install everygame I get, so I was ready to dismiss this when I remembered that my 360 only has 8 gigs left. This is the biggest Hard Drive available for the 360. And since next-gen games are probably having triple the bytes then it quickly becomes clear that time deleting, installing, and reinstalling is to the point of hampering.
5)They're marketing it as a device that does everything... even games. To gamers that's insulting.
Yeah that is insulting, but so is everything else. I'm more worried about the fact that in trying to do everything it becomes the greater of nothing. "Watch TV, talk to your friends, surf the internet" You're a game console...why are you hiding the game console part? What do they not want to show us?
6)I think it's ugly:
It's funny you said that because I saw a documentary for the 360 saying that it was specifically designed by Microsoft to avoid being blocky since slender is the way of the future. Now that that's over with their going back to blocky.
And that's my post of the day
I have a friend. He hates everything about the "details" about the console that we assume to be true. He then states that he's going to get one because it will have Halo and Gears.badgersprite said:
I can't argue with that type of logic.
You can't be serious. Microsoft would not pay random people to defend the Xbone on forums. If anything it could be Microsoft employees creating accounts, but even then I'm leaning towards people just having been attracted to the internet in the wake of the announcement and looking for facts. Although I haven't necessarily seen too many users, let alone new users (well maybe a few), defending the Xbone. There is another site I go to somewhat, with a smaller userbase, where people seem to out of the blue support the Xbone, but these are already active users. It's just a heated topic.
No more than I've seen new accounts cropping up to outright attack the new console or Microsoft in general. This sort of trend tends to surround any new/controversial thing to appear on the forums, and it's not limited to the Escapist either. Go to any given thread about Mass Effect 3, Pro/Anti-Piracy, Anita Sarkeesian, new consoles, PC vs. Consoles, fanboyism, Fallout 3 vs. Fallout: New Vegas, bronies or MLP: FiM in general, politics, certain Escapist contributors and other internet "celebrities", drugs, gun control, the police, the band The Police, N.W.A.'s opinion on the police, the new Star Wars and Star Trek movies, Joss Whedon, TGWTG and Spoonygate, EA, Diablo III, The Big Bang Theory, Twilight, Steam vs. Origin, DRM, Metroid: Other M, relationships and the "friend zone", Pro/Anti-Skub, applesauce package labeling, and (for the sake of invoking Godwin's Law) Nazis and Hitler and I'm sure you'll find a few within the first 3 pages. They all mysteriously pop up while the debate starts heating up, with no post history outside of the thread in question, then mysteriously disappear when the discussion dies down or they are banned.
Could they be alts for established users to voice unpopular opinions without fear of reprisal? Perhaps. Could they be new users that, by coincidence, joined at that very moment and decided to jump into the first hot topic thread they saw and then lost interest immediately afterward? Absolutely. Could they be employees of the company being discussed or people outside the forums that heard about the thread and wish to say their own two cents? Sure. I wouldn't rightly know.
Could they be alts for established users to voice unpopular opinions without fear of reprisal? Perhaps. Could they be new users that, by coincidence, joined at that very moment and decided to jump into the first hot topic thread they saw and then lost interest immediately afterward? Absolutely. Could they be employees of the company being discussed or people outside the forums that heard about the thread and wish to say their own two cents? Sure. I wouldn't rightly know.
Contrarian attitudes on the Escapist are not uncommon, here are a bunch of examples off the top of my head.
-Mass Effect 3 ending controversy, tons of people making threads on either side, we still get threads on it now and then.
-The week of Skyrim being released, at least a few threads saying they didn't get the hype or were GASP uninstalling the game.
-Diablo III and Sim City always-online announcements ( atdifferent dates), people rushing to question why these are a big deal or defend the companies behind them.
-A couple weeks ago we got one thread by a person who didn't understand why people respected Valve and another thread by a person who said he hated Valve.
So now with the Xbox One getting flamed, and it (along with the PS4) not having Backwards Compatibility, people are rushing to the "But here's what I have to say! And it's contrary to your opinion!" train.
-Mass Effect 3 ending controversy, tons of people making threads on either side, we still get threads on it now and then.
-The week of Skyrim being released, at least a few threads saying they didn't get the hype or were GASP uninstalling the game.
-Diablo III and Sim City always-online announcements ( atdifferent dates), people rushing to question why these are a big deal or defend the companies behind them.
-A couple weeks ago we got one thread by a person who didn't understand why people respected Valve and another thread by a person who said he hated Valve.
So now with the Xbox One getting flamed, and it (along with the PS4) not having Backwards Compatibility, people are rushing to the "But here's what I have to say! And it's contrary to your opinion!" train.
What makes you say that? I mean; I don't think that's the case here, but you need to back that up with something. It is a thing that some companies do.MeChaNiZ3D said:
Can you tell if the accounts have been made recently? And do their names sound fake--like something generic then some numbers?
I know there's a lot of people who lurk on this site, so a console announcement might just be bring people out who normally just sit on the sidelines.
I know there's a lot of people who lurk on this site, so a console announcement might just be bring people out who normally just sit on the sidelines.
Microsoft? Pay people? Sheeeeeeeeit, they're all about nickel & diming anywhere they can. They probably said, "Your ass is fired unless you all make new accounts and say how amazing this is going to be."
I'm sure there are people who actually like it. I don't even mind that it's an entertainment system- my TV doesn't play TV channels, I can only use it for my PS3 and DVDs. I have to use the internet to catch up TV, and I'd prefer to do it on my actual TV. The only two concerns I had were the emphasis on American Football- I'm not American and don't care for sports anyway, and the preowned shenanigans. That's just a dealbreaker for me.
I'm pretty sure Sony did, that was the boring part of the reveal.LetalisK said:I didn't think Microsoft or PS4 had released tech specs for their consoles.Flunk said:
I have no proof. I just think there are plenty of people they don't have to pay who will do the same thing, and from the nature of some of the responses I wouldn't be paying them for what arguments they put forth. You're right though, completely baseless, maybe they do pay random people. In which case they're not doing a very good job of it.Lovely Mixture said:
I've noticed that as well. There's not very many of them, but I've never noticed a single one before now, so they might be increasing.Ickorus said:
OP: As long as they're not trolling, or insulting other users, then I'll just ignore them. If they are trolling or flaming then I'll report them. Business as usual basically.
I wonder if people do this with other things outside the entertainment they consume.Saxnot said:
"Ah, man, I have this headache, and the Tylenol I took didn't really do anything to get rid of it."
"IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT STOP TAKING IT THEN!"
"Uh, what--?"
"You're just an irrational Tylenol hater! They don't make their products specifically for you, you entitled whiner!"
No, but, seriously, I ask you, how does it affect you at all if I don't like a particular console? My opinion is not doing anything at all to prevent you from purchasing the console you want and enjoying it. I'm not bothered at all by anyone who likes the Xbone. Why are you bothered by people not liking it? Like, do you take it that personally that people have different opinions than you do?
The join date is on the left under the avatar and post counts; for example, you joined 24 April 2010.triggrhappy94 said:
OT: I haven't been looking at anyone's credentials really. I haven't even looked at too many xBone threads after the first day, actually.
That's a good point though. As silly as Microsoft is, they probably have faith that their supporters will do their part vocally.MeChaNiZ3D said:
Oh god, why is this so funny to me? Like imagining it.MeChaNiZ3D said:
"I'll pay you ten dollars an hour to go online and defend the Xbox One."
"Ok."
5 hours later
"What the fuck have you been doing? All your defenses have just been 'Microsoft can do no wrong' and ad hominem attacks against your opponents."
"Well yeah....It's the Xbox One, it's not an easy job sir."