Song-Writing tips?

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My band have decided to try and start writing some new material but, sadly, I have absolutely no clue how to even start writing anything, until now we've been doing covers and I've been alright with that.

So does anybody have any tips of how to write a song? Lyrics or music really.

Also, to add to the discussion any songs you guys have wrote and feel like sharing could be nice.

PS, We generally play rock, not too poppy, not too heavy. Just in case that makes a difference.
 

Generator

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Screwing around on the guitar/bass/keyboard/etc. is a great way to get a cool riff/line/melody/etc. going. Honestly, I just pick up a guitar and then start playing around, either playing a cover or just messing around with chords, and I can usually find something that works well together. Every time I've gone into it with the intention of writing a song, I've been very disappointed.

As for lyrics, this might sound cheesy, but right about things you know: if you've never fallen in love, don't write about that, but try instead writing something that made a serious impression in your life. If I were you, though, I'd write the music first and then worry about the lyrics, as the process just flows better that way (for me anyways).
 

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Like the other guy said, mess around with riffs... As for lyrics, don't rhyme too much, like every other, that gets annoying. I say do 1 line, do a couple that don't rhyme, end it with a rhyme to the first, so you can make it powerful, but still get a rhyme in there.
 

SonicKoala

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I'd just like to reitorate write the music first. It's by far the most important part, and it's the melody and associated musical ambience which is going to appeal to most people - when I listen to music, I usually only bother looking up the lyrics if the music appeals to me. A number of great musical artists have taken this approach to song-writing (Pink Floyd being one of them), and so should you!
 

reg42

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I can only help with lyrics.

Speak from the heart, but don't think too hard hard on what you're writing. Just write, and see where it takes you. You're basically writing poetry, so think of it as such, not as a song.

I have one song I wrote for my band. It's not great and I wrote it in about 5 minutes (It's just a rough draft), but it may give you an idea of what I'm talking a about.

I fought through the valley of a thousand seas
I fought for you to come to me
I fought for the freedom of mankind
I fight for these every time

I fought...

In this world of struggling
Solutions are a wisp in sight
When we fight, we drive the need
Feeding off a dying plead

The lost section in history
Is how we can't just let it be
Bastards lining up the road
We ready to show them what we know

I fought...

I fought through the valley of a thousand cries
Left there by the refugee
Blind to what is plainly seen
Our thoughts roll off a dying wing

So pack your bullet to not be heard
Or shoot straight forth to the head of the snake
It won't change, it won't change
The feeling of the insanely blessed

I fought...
I fought...
I...

... Fought through the valley of a thousand seas
I fought for you to come to me
I fought for the freedom of mankind
I fight for these every time
Actually, looking back, it's pretty shit, but I hope it helps none the less.
 

kalakashi

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Why does everyone think that the music should be written first? I've written songs and I find that the lyrics very much influence how the music should sound, I just think it comes to different people very differently.

SonicKoala said:
A number of great musical artists have taken this approach to song-writing (Pink Floyd being one of them), and so should you!
Do they? I don't know a whole lot about them, but I very much like them and I would have thought that being such a politically charged band (at least since Sid Barret left) that the lyrics would have definitely been a very strong important part of their song writing.
 

skitzo van

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Don't try to write music for the sake of it. Wait till inspiration strikes so your song will be special
 

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I'm with the first posters: write the music first, and you have the rhythm, you can add lyrics to it
 

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For me I generally just start with getting a line or melody stuck in my head, which I mess around with on the keyboard or just by singing it so that I can have an idea about the rest of the song. Then I try to gauge the mood so I can come up with lyrics.
I have, however, written lyrics first a few times. I mean, I like writing poetry, and some things originally intended to be poems ended up as lyrics - but I've also just randomly felt inspired. It probably isn't going to help much to say this, but I sometimes get ideas when I'm just going to sleep, so I keep a notebook and pen on my bedside table just in case :)

It may sound cliche, but don't force it - let the music come to you, because otherwise it won't be natural. If you're stuck for ideas, listen to other songs, wander around places that may get you inspired - DO something, because if you sit around hoping to be able to write a song, it might not work.
 

AndyVale

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I write a lot and only really have one tip. Be honest and write what you know.

Also don't write about the first thing that comes to your head, everyone thinks that. Don't write the second thing that comes into your head, most smart people are thinking that.
By the time you get round to the third thing you've probably got something that's your own.
 

SonicKoala

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kalakashi said:
Why does everyone think that the music should be written first? I've written songs and I find that the lyrics very much influence how the music should sound, I just think it comes to different people very differently.

SonicKoala said:
A number of great musical artists have taken this approach to song-writing (Pink Floyd being one of them), and so should you!
Do they? I don't know a whole lot about them, but I very much like them and I would have thought that being such a politically charged band (at least since Sid Barret left) that the lyrics would have definitely been a very strong important part of their song writing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wish_You_Were_Here_%28Pink_Floyd_song%29

If you scroll down to the "quotes" section, you'll see a quote by Roger Waters:

"Either the music comes first and the lyrics are added, or music and lyrics come together. Only once have the lyrics been written down first - "Wish You Were Here". But this is unusual; it hasn't happened before."

He said that in 1975. Although this wasn't always their approach to song-writing (especially when one looks at an album like "Animals", for example, it's hard to imagine the lyrics being an after-thought), it seems to be the norm. This was how "Dark Side of the Moon" was written, so it's definitely a formula for potential awesomeness.
 

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For lyrics, try something that matches your style of music. From your description it seems like you have a Pearl Jam-ish style (correct me if I'm wrong). Thus you would try to write something that tells human stories (think "Jeremy" or "Amongst the Waves"). That similar logic could be applied to other styles, ie if you were an 80's glam rock style band you might consider love song or party-it-up type lyrics. I don't know what your band sounds like so I can't tell you what sort of lyrics you would have to write. As for the actual WRITING part of writing, 1) Don't think you need to make it rhyme, 2) Change up the amount of syllables in a line ("Blow Up the Outside of the World" by Soundgarden is an example), and 3) Most people can't really hear the lyrics so DON'T pour more effort into the words than you do the instrumentation.

As for instruments, first decide what kind of song you'd be writing. Anthem, ballad, acoustic, electric leads, etc. Start with the rhythm as it is easier to build off that then to build off a crazy guitar solo (More specifically, go drums > bass > rhythm guitar > everything else in no particular order). As I'm sure your aware, the lead can do all tons of amazing stuff but the song will still suck if the others fall apart. As for actually coming up with riffs/drum beats/bass lines, improvise with what you know. The pentatonic scales work wonders in all genres of rock.

Keep in mind that while it is important to press yourself, never create a piece of music you can't play well and play consistently. You'll have to play this in front of people at some point, you know.

Also, never let others tell you what you can or cannot do. That's sort of a given.

If all else fails, have the drummer play a basic beat and let the guitarist do some E minor pentatonic blues soloing. Like Jimi.
 

madcap2112

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skitzo van said:
Don't try to write music for the sake of it. Wait till inspiration strikes so your song will be special
I have to agree with this. Generally, you don't just sit down and write a song in half an hour unless you're Bob Dylan or a Beatle. Lord knows it failed for my band time and time again. A lot of our songs just sort of hit us. I got a couple song ideas at work and scribbled them down there, for example. As far as the music goes, just keep playing and you'll stumble across a nice little riff or lick somewhere that'll catch your ear.

In the end, the point is to write a song for yourself, don't try writing it with the audience in mind. Your song is expressing your thoughts, and you're writing it for you first, everyone else second.