Sony Admits "We Were Late" With PS3 Online

[HentMas]

Weeeell... Having both consoles i say PSNis a pain in the arse even with the 3.0 update, it just hurts my eyes, but anyway online games were never my thing (i was playing Saints Row 2 the other day and forgot to put "PRIVATE" in my co-op settings... that was anoying)

 

[Treblaine]

While we are at it, when will there be a PS3 firmware update that integrates true ipod support?

I mean to spite Microsoft and Apple being in such close competition with iPod and Zune, you can still plug any ipod or iphone into a 360 and play the songs off it, even in game. Plug an ipod into a PS3 and it can only access files if stored on the ipod as like an external drive and cannot access the music at all.

Again, this is a simple software solution and Sony has just shown zero effort or rigour in seemingly even noticing the problem.

Unless of course, the Ipod is formatted as NTSC which MS has patented, in which case, the PS3 doesn't recognize that file structure, and iphone users are...well, fucked.

Or do you just mean being able to hit play on your phone and having it play through the PS3?

Whh- wh- whaaaa?

NTSC? MS patent Apple ipod? PS3 won't recognise file structure?

Err, I have no idea what you are talking about.

NTSC, the National Television System(s) Committee invented that standard for TELEVISION in 1941, before Bill Gates Was even born so how could Microsoft possibly patent it? How could I or anyone possibly have an ipod "formatted as NTSC" as it is not even a television device? Why would any platform not be able to read the file structure of music on the iPod, almost every damn device has an ipod adapter; stereos, car radios, TV's, and so on.

Also, how are iPhone users "fucked"? From what I hear iPhone functions exactly the same as iPod when plugged in. Both iPod and iPhone use the same file format for music on then precisely so they can work in the same ipod docks.

"Or do you just mean being able to hit play on your phone"

A phone now? What the... you mean iPhone, I'm talking about iPod.

I mean you just connect an iPod to an Xbox 360 via USB, the ipod says "Do Not Disconnect iPod" (just as if it was plugged into my PC to sync with itunes). With 360 if I press the XB button in the middle of the controller to bring up the media menu I can play any track directly off my iPod through the console. No pressing play on the ipod or anything.

PS3 does not let me do this. I'd have to go through the fiddle of transferring my files via a flash drive to the PS3's Hard drive to listen to my music. No where near as easy plug to access all my songs I need to take up about 16GB of space on my PS3 whereas it seems far more economical of space just to keep them on the iPod and play them from there.

 

[Treblaine]

While we are at it, when will there be a PS3 firmware update that integrates true ipod support?

I mean to spite Microsoft and Apple being in such close competition with iPod and Zune, you can still plug any ipod or iphone into a 360 and play the songs off it, even in game. Plug an ipod into a PS3 and it can only access files if stored on the ipod as like an external drive and cannot access the music at all.

Again, this is a simple software solution and Sony has just shown zero effort or rigour in seemingly even noticing the problem.

Unless of course, the Ipod is formatted as NTSC which MS has patented, in which case, the PS3 doesn't recognize that file structure, and iphone users are...well, fucked.

Or do you just mean being able to hit play on your phone and having it play through the PS3?

Whh- wh- whaaaa?

NTSC? MS patent Apple ipod? PS3 won't recognise file structure?

Err, I have no idea what you are talking about.

NTSC, the National Television System(s) Committee invented that standard for TELEVISION in 1941, before Bill Gates Was even born so how could Microsoft possibly patent it? How could I or anyone possibly have an ipod "formatted as NTSC" as it is not even a television device? Why would any platform not be able to read the file structure of music on the iPod, almost every damn device has an ipod adapter; stereos, car radios, TV's, and so on.

Also, how are iPhone users "fucked"? From what I hear iPhone functions exactly the same as iPod when plugged in. Both iPod and iPhone use the same file format for music on then precisely so they can work in the same ipod docks.

"Or do you just mean being able to hit play on your phone"

A phone now? What the... you mean iPhone, I'm talking about iPod.

I mean you just connect an iPod to an Xbox 360 via USB, the ipod says "Do Not Disconnect iPod" (just as if it was plugged into my PC to sync with itunes). With 360 if I press the XB button in the middle of the controller to bring up the media menu I can play any track directly off my iPod through the console. No pressing play on the ipod or anything.

PS3 does not let me do this. I'd have to go through the fiddle of transferring my files via a flash drive to the PS3's Hard drive to listen to my music. No where near as easy plug to access all my songs I need to take up about 16GB of space on my PS3 whereas it seems far more economical of space just to keep them on the iPod and play them from there.

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Haha, whoops, my bad, I meant NTFS. Dar. PS3 doesn't recognize devices using the NTFS format. My apologies. And yeah, another typo, I meant your ipod.

And either way, you're fucked because the PS3 doesn't recognize NTFS, therefore, if, as I was asking the device uses said format, you're fucked. You follow?

Well, that's the thing, My PS3 DOES recognise my iPod, it is there in the XMB labelled as an iPod and I can select it only it says "there are no tracks". It seems PS3 just does not "know" how to access the music files on the iPod and must assume the tracks would be sitting there

Anyway, why in the world would Sony not use or even have compatibility with something as basic as NTFS? Even if as Read-only as Mac OS does. I have tried transferring songs to my PS3 via a USB thumb-drive and it again just says "no tracks" and is that the reason why because I transferred them from my Windows PC?

So... is there ANY way of transferring MP3 files to my PS3? I have yet to even test out it I can play music mid PS3 game as I can't even get any music on my PS3 in the first place. GRRR, why is this so frustrating even after the THIRD major firmware iteration!

I think it is just another example of lazy or short sighted development by Sony where if it ever did occur to them that someone might like to plug their iPod/iPhone into their PS3 and without any hassle play their music, or transfer their music via usb-thumb-drive, they certainly did not think that convenience to their customers was worth any amount of their time.

PS: patent law can't be that much trouble for Sony writing some code to enable read-only access to NTFS as Mac OS and Linux both have read and write capabilities with NTFS. Read-only should be a doddle, at least for Sony that is apparently a very large and capable tech company with PS3 being their front line product.

Hmm, maybe this is better continued here:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/94487-Sony-Looking-Into-PS3-Firmware-3-00-Issues

 

[Treblaine]

Ok, well first of all, I think I have the solution to your Ipod problem. When you 'hover' over the ipod 'icon' (make sure you're in the 'music' section of the XMB. Hit triangle, and 'show all' instead of trying to have the PS3 access the file structure. That _should_ open up an 'explore' type view of the device (it works with my portable HDD and my USB stick, so it should work for yours). I'm not 100% since I can't test the ipod at my house, but that's definitely your problem with your USB stick (I'm assuming you put the files in 'my music' or some other such pre-built directory structure).

When you are trying to import files and want the device to pick it up automatically from the PS3 (rather than hover), you need to make a file structure that the PS3 recognizes, ala:

C:\MUSIC\
C:\VIDEO\
C:\PICTURES\

There are a couple other structures also for PS2 games, and PS3 themes as well.

Hope this helps you out.


As for the NTFS, I think it's a huge load of horseshit myself, and I'd wished Sony would've gotten the patent issue dealt with at this point, but it appears that whatever the hold-up is, it's going to be permanent.

Well your solution works for transferring MP3 songs from my USB stick to my PS3 but how the hell is anybody supposed to figure that out? Also, it does not work at all for my iPod.

But now I have copied the music to my PS3 I loaded up a game, remembering a whole SPE of the Cell is always dedicated to the OS and I can access the XMB in game, I tried to see if I can play Black Sabbath over Resistance: FOM, which would be an epic combination.

But no. To spite how I can access the XMB at any point in any game it does not let me play any music. What... bullshit. I mean, I have copied the file to my PS3's HDD and am trying to play it off there, it plays it fine from the boot screen. WHY DOES SONY DENY ME THE AWESOMENESS!

What is the point in having a dedicated SPE and in-game access to the XMB if you can't do ANYTHING with it?

I mean the Cell has 8 SPE, one is already deactivated (for high yields) and taking out another reserved for the OS to not take advantage of the most obvious feature. And 360 doesn't need any dedicated hardware component to play music over a game as an alternate soundtrack.

 

[Treblaine]

Well your solution works for transferring MP3 songs from my USB stick to my PS3 but how the hell is anybody supposed to figure that out? Also, it does not work at all for my iPod.

But now I have copied the music to my PS3 I loaded up a game, remembering a whole SPE of the Cell is always dedicated to the OS and I can access the XMB in game, I tried to see if I can play Black Sabbath over Resistance: FOM, which would be an epic combination.

But no. To spite how I can access the XMB at any point in any game it does not let me play any music. What... bullshit. I mean, I have copied the file to my PS3's HDD and am trying to play it off there, it plays it fine from the boot screen. WHY DOES SONY DENY ME THE AWESOMENESS!

What is the point in having a dedicated SPE and in-game access to the XMB if you can't do ANYTHING with it?

I mean the Cell has 8 SPE, one is already deactivated (for high yields) and taking out another reserved for the OS to not take advantage of the most obvious feature. And 360 doesn't need any dedicated hardware component to play music over a game as an alternate soundtrack.

I hear you man, unfortunately Sony made the decision to look forward, instead of backward, with regard to in-game music...so it doesn't actually work for all games, mainly the newer games. It is definitely unfortunate, totally agree there. But, it's a matter of how the games themselves are designed, like, the game has to recognize the PS3 itself is attempting to override the main sound track, for many of the older games. Totally sucks, but thankfully those games are now mainly in the minority as most/all PSN downloads allow for it, as well as most of the newer titles.

I know why though, it's because they've been stretched so thin, trying to work on so many different things at once, the smaller less important issues (like...several of the older games not allowing for custom soundtracks) to them, kind of get left on the wayside, ya know? As we've come further and further from the launch of Resistance 1, the urgency for getting THAT specific game playing custom soundtracks, is less important when compared to say...cross-game/in-game chat functionality, or other such things. Kind of follows suit with the progression of PSN from what it was originally. They haven't been able to deliver EVERY thing, that we want, but they're trying to get as much as possible out, as fast as possible (Q/A allowing).

As for how anyone is supposed to figure that out. For me, I thank my curiousity. LoL. I just happened to see the green triangle icon, and 'options' in the upper right hand when I was hovering over the drive, hit it and viola =). It is listed on the Playstation forums though. As are the directory structures for all the different PS3 files.

Glad we got the USB issue cleared up though, sorry I couldn't be of more help with the Ipod (I don't have one).

My problem is Sony did not have the forward thinking before when they released the PS3. I mean Microsoft wrote it in from day one that you can play any song over any game as just a standard feature and did not leave it down to the developers. Even now with the PS3 slim Sony seem to be thinking all about style, the "impression" they can leave but when you get down to the nitty gritty you just find inexplicable shortcoming like this. Still after almost 3 years they are dragging their feet and in press announcements you know they are talking right past their users and to the stockholder as if to say "Look, we're doing stuff".

I get less the impression Sony is "moving forward" and more that they are refusing to look back and learn from their past mistakes. They are just being so slow and making just a big deal about fixing the tiniest problems in firmware updates.

And they don't have to fix every single game, they just need to fix the PS3's firmware. That is write some damn code to be able to use NTFS or whatever is needed to get ipods to work and since there is a always a dedicated SPE always for the OS, it should be easy to allow music to be played over every game, no matter how the game developers made it. Just like 360, go into options and turn down in-game music volume to zero.

Again. Sony: a hardware company failing at software.