Sony Calls Out Microsoft Over First-Party Development

[Jumplion]

Why are we still listening to Indigo? Yeah I said it. I fail to see any time where Indigo has never been Sony-blind to the point he'll try to make the dumbest statements....why the hell should we listen to anything he says as being true? Simple answer: DON'T. Don't argue with him, don't debate with him. Becuase even when you are right (and trust me, you will be), he will never admit it and it's not worth it.

You see, you're not helping the argument by doing that. You of all people should know that right now all you're doing is adding fuel to the fire and Indigo feeds off that. Quite frankly I don't view you any better than him in these arguments, you constantly assume that anything Sony have done is bad, or at least that's how I have viewed your interpretations. You're the Anti-Sony fForce, Indigo's the Sony Defense Force, of course you're going to butt heads.

I'll admit, Indigo does get off his rocker sometimes, but the problem is that when he makes fair points everyone brushes them off because either A)He's a fanboy, B)What he's talking about pertains to Sony, so therefore, because he's a fanboy, you shouldn't listen or C)He admittedly doesn't voice the opinion clear enough.

Indigo has made some fair points, how Microsoft is being completely dickish by making a mutliplatform game shaft half of it's audience. But that doesn't mean it wasn't smart or neccesary of Microsoft to do that, we're not debating that.

So let's review

1. *Restatement of the crazy Sony chart*. So remind me how having free (and unstable) wi-fi is better than a free cabled network. Time's up. That's what I thought. Remind me why your free network with text messaging is somehow a breakthrough that is "good for gaming". Time's Up. That's what I thought. Simply put, the Sony chart had nothing to do with this argument and again was a strawman argument by a fanboy. Again. Also it doesn't take in the cost in time of how long it took for the PS3 to be even close in value to a 360 (2 and a half years)

Absolutely all of this is ad hominem/straw man/whatever kind of argument argumentation here. Nobody is claiming that free (and stable, for me anyway) wi-fi is better than cabled. Nobody is claiming that text messaging during gameplay is a breakthrough. Nobody is saying that it took a while for the PS3 to have the same/better value than 360. Nobody is claiming that everything Sony does is better than Microsoft (while it does appear that way with Indigo).

This is completely straw man/ad homenim because nobody has ever argued about those points. These aren't even present in the original topic, the debate here is that Sony has amazing 1st party support, no doubt about that, (once Team ICO is mentioned everything else is run over by a truck) and how Microsoft always brings out it's check book instead of securing the exclusivity that matters, the actual games instead of the addons.. You're just looking for things to use against Sony whether or not it is actually pertaining to this actual debate or whether it's something that you think is plain stupid.

You're the straw-man here, not us. You can be, and usually are, as bad as Indigo when it comes to arguing with points that have nothing to do with the original point. I've addressed this somewhat with you before, when you've gone around saying that "Oh, of course HOME doesn't have retards in it. Oh wait..." as nobody ever said that. They just said "HOME doesn't have as many idiots around" or "I haven't met too many so far".

I'm sorry (because I always have to apologize somewhere) if I come off as really pretentious or trying to attack you, but you always seem to constantly try to find fault with every little thing Sony does whether or not you try to do that. Hell, you were going on saying "So more expensive useless crap that nobody needs from Sony?" in that one merchandise thread. Hello! It's just fucking merchandise! (I'll admit, I may be jumping the gun on that one)

 

[xLANKYx]

So we can agree both parties are evil corporations after cash?

Can we also agree that if we were the CEO of a corporation, we'd all do the same thing? If you say you wouldn't, you're lying. If you can eliminate your competition, you do it. Being an "evil corporation" is equivalent to good business, my friends. Let's not forget that MS' responsibility as a corporation is to make money for their shareholders, not take their foot off of Sony's throat.

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On-topic though, I kinda get what you're saying about it being detrimental to gaming, but I think you're overstating it just a tad. Sony have released some great first party games, like ICO incidentally, but they're not above churning out sequels either.

Besides, it's hard to really get angry at Microsoft, because at the end of the day, it's a business making a business decision. Their goal is to make their console seem more appealing, and exclusive DLC is one way to do that.

Which is why they aren't being imdicted, but Sony are saying they're being pricks and should nactually contribute to gaming, versus being leeches.

And no matter what the game, 1 game is always better than -1 game. And the closest thing Sony's ever got to a sequel franchise is MLB the Show, and thats still routinely called the best sports series.

Ok, if their adding so much to gaming, why is most of it only available on the PS3? Given thats the console with the least take up? Because it seems to me that in order to contribute to this abstract concept of 'gaming', people actually have to be able to play the things.

SONY are not contributing to gameing they are contributing to there "PRODUCT" (for want of a better word) so you will buy there console & there games & makes them loads of money. SONY & MS & every other comapny do not care about gameing itself, they care about making money.

all the console makers want the market to themself (disspite claiming otherwise) not so they can bring gaming to the masses but becose the more of the market share they have the more money they make.

when they make an "inovation" or create a new IP ect it isnt to further gameing or to contribute to gameing, its so you buy there console to get this new "inovation" or to get this new IP ect, thats it.

PS: im not attacking SONY or defending MS, its the same for ALL of them.

Actions that say you're a complete idiot -
The hiring of Team Ico.
Allowing developers to pursue more creative projects when their old, still very successful ones have gotten stale.
Not interfering with Team Ico when their first was a commercial flop.
The Power of the Ps3
LittleBigPlanet
The Pub Fund
Funding Heavy Rain despite a quite ridiculous premise and a very hefty budget
Funding LA Noire despite a quite ridiculous premise and a very hefty budget

If you have anything to back up your claims beyond wild conspiracy theories, bring it forward. Otherwise, SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THE COMPANY THAT MADE GAMING INTO AN ART FORM!!

AND DON'T SAY THE COMPANY THAT TRIED TO KILL OFF PSYCHONAUTS IS AS GOOD AS THEM!!!

ive said all along they are as bad as each other. everything they ALL do they do for themselfs. so dont try to make out im defending MS

theres no point countering my statement about ALL companys that create IP's, Inovations ect do so for there own good not the good of gameing with a list of IP ect. again everything in that list was done for SONY's own benefit NOT gameing, they all do it, its how the business works.

as for games are art, well thats very subjective and personnaly gameing isnt an art form in itself, specific games can be art (from a visual & audio prespective) but gameing itself isnt IMHO. ive allso never heard SONY being credited with makeing gameing into art form before but they are most certainly credited with bringing gameing into the mainstream (and rightly so).

PS: keep the insults to yourself, if you cant play nice dont play.

 

[xLANKYx]

So we can agree both parties are evil corporations after cash?

Can we also agree that if we were the CEO of a corporation, we'd all do the same thing? If you say you wouldn't, you're lying. If you can eliminate your competition, you do it. Being an "evil corporation" is equivalent to good business, my friends. Let's not forget that MS' responsibility as a corporation is to make money for their shareholders, not take their foot off of Sony's throat.

This

On-topic though, I kinda get what you're saying about it being detrimental to gaming, but I think you're overstating it just a tad. Sony have released some great first party games, like ICO incidentally, but they're not above churning out sequels either.

Besides, it's hard to really get angry at Microsoft, because at the end of the day, it's a business making a business decision. Their goal is to make their console seem more appealing, and exclusive DLC is one way to do that.

Which is why they aren't being imdicted, but Sony are saying they're being pricks and should nactually contribute to gaming, versus being leeches.

And no matter what the game, 1 game is always better than -1 game. And the closest thing Sony's ever got to a sequel franchise is MLB the Show, and thats still routinely called the best sports series.

Ok, if their adding so much to gaming, why is most of it only available on the PS3? Given thats the console with the least take up? Because it seems to me that in order to contribute to this abstract concept of 'gaming', people actually have to be able to play the things.

SONY are not contributing to gameing they are contributing to there "PRODUCT" (for want of a better word) so you will buy there console & there games & makes them loads of money. SONY & MS & every other comapny do not care about gameing itself, they care about making money.

all the console makers want the market to themself (disspite claiming otherwise) not so they can bring gaming to the masses but becose the more of the market share they have the more money they make.

when they make an "inovation" or create a new IP ect it isnt to further gameing or to contribute to gameing, its so you buy there console to get this new "inovation" or to get this new IP ect, thats it.

PS: im not attacking SONY or defending MS, its the same for ALL of them.

Actions that say you're a complete idiot -
The hiring of Team Ico.
Allowing developers to pursue more creative projects when their old, still very successful ones have gotten stale.
Not interfering with Team Ico when their first was a commercial flop.
The Power of the Ps3
LittleBigPlanet
The Pub Fund
Funding Heavy Rain despite a quite ridiculous premise and a very hefty budget
Funding LA Noire despite a quite ridiculous premise and a very hefty budget

If you have anything to back up your claims beyond wild conspiracy theories, bring it forward. Otherwise, SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THE COMPANY THAT MADE GAMING INTO AN ART FORM!!

AND DON'T SAY THE COMPANY THAT TRIED TO KILL OFF PSYCHONAUTS IS AS GOOD AS THEM!!!

ive said all along they are as bad as each other. everything they ALL do they do for themselfs. so dont try to make out im defending MS

theres no point countering my statement about ALL companys that create IP's, Inovations ect do so for there own good not the good of gameing with a list of IP ect. again everything in that list was done for SONY's own benefit NOT gameing, they all do it, its how the business works.

as for games are art, well thats very subjective and personnaly gameing isnt an art form in itself, specific games can be art (from a visual & audio prespective) but gameing itself isnt IMHO. ive allso never heard SONY being credited with makeing gameing into art form before but they are most certainly credited with bringing gameing into the mainstream (and rightly so).

PS: keep the insults to yourself, if you cant play nice dont play.

Most of thre things on the list have no benefit to Sony, as they are by their very nature niche.

And Team Ico are the first team to have a game universally deemed artistic. And who is the company who formed Team Ico?

OK so becose SONY forms a team that makes a game thats universally regarded to be artistic means that SONY made gameing into art form? to me it means that SONY put together a team that made a game thats artistic (and KUDOS to both SONY and Team Ico for that). just becose its the 1st game to be universally deemed artistic doesnt make the whole of gameing into an art form and certainly doesnt mean that SONY (or team ico) can be accredited as such IMHO.

art is subjective and there have been other games that proved games "can be" art (before Team Ico's game) allthough they wont universally regarded as art but art doesnt need universal agreement to be considered art (alot of art in the world isnt universally agreed upon)

besides we are saying universaly regarded as art but video games are not considered art as far as the mainstream is concerned (especialy the mainstream media) who still see video games as just electronic toys for kids. yes attitude are changeing but its a slow process and weve got along way to go yet.

fair enough not everything will have a direct benefit to SONY but just becose something is niche doesnt mean it was done in the name of gameing either.

 

[Computer-Noob]

Everyone already knows Microsoft gives companies nice big checks so their games are exclusive to the 360. Its just good business. It doesnt mean Microsoft aren't total pricks, but it IS good business.

 

[MrGFunk]

Wait. He's talking about a cross platform engine. I don't see any arguments as to why the IP, you know, the non-engine portions of the game, are going to any different due to platform issues. It's a spurious argument with no back up.

If the engine "runs great" on all platforms, as Ferguson himself says, then we have been given no real reason why there should be platform exclusivity. Note that he said the Gears exclusivity let them get help from MS. On what, I'd ask? The engine already works. Anything expressed in the engine is virtualized away from the platform. So to say that anything technical about Gears needed MS help sounds pretty far-fetched to my ears. It sounds to me more like post-facto marketspeak attempting to turn paid exclusivity into something it is provably not.

Ouch. Respect.

I wish Ferguson could read this and realize we don't buy it. It's all about the money. He might as well be Vanilla Ice.

Jumplion my anme is spelled O-N-M-I,m it's 4 letters it doesn't take a collage degree

Hey, I was playing Genre Wars and there's a unit type called an "Omni" it was a mistake ;P

It was a joke, Try reading my post in the tones of Dwayne Johnson. 100% funnier

Ha ha. Now I get the because I SAID SO bit.

 

[MrGFunk]

Jumplion my anme is spelled O-N-M-I,m it's 4 letters it doesn't take a collage degree

Hey, I was playing Genre Wars and there's a unit type called an "Omni" it was a mistake ;P

It was a joke, Try reading my post in the tones of Dwayne Johnson. 100% funnier

Ha ha. Now I get the because I SAID SO bit.

Actually thats more Stone Cold, but I've been watching a LOT of wrestling recently, so people should expect me to be gimmicky now.

Smashes two beers together and drinks it down.

 

[Shapsters]

Fanboys assemble! There are multi-billion dollar corporations that need defending!

I am here to report!

XBOX IS TEH SHITZ!!!

 

[irishdelinquent]

*sigh*

Sony, go sit in the corner. If you can't play nicely with the other companies, then don't play with them at all. I don't care that Microsoft stole your favourite toy (Final Fantasy), stop whining about it. And I don't care if Nintendo has higher sales than you, stop being a little ***** about it.