Sony Claims It Told Users of PSN Info Breach Immediately
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Technically, Occam's Razor falls on "they did it for the lulz" as it's a more simple explanation than "organized crime syndicate," but please consider that a random whimsical observation not any kind of counterargument.Saltyk said:
I actually agree with you that mass identity theft is likely, but still want to point out there's no evidence for it at all, and that if there is evidence of it and Sony is withholding that information then it's kind of a big deal (maybe even a bigger deal than the alleged theft itself).
I'm really just trying to inject some sanity into this whole debacle, and kind of bitter that the Escapist writers are deliberately misstating the facts in an effort to sensationalize the story.
I try my best.tony2077 said:
Honestly Sony, couldn't you just have Tweeted
"#ohshit Servers have been compromised. Please block all cards. #notajoke"
As I said yesterday, if any other company that sells things over the internet had a breach of this size, heads will roll. I expect the same from Sony.
I am not really too bothered about the warning of 'personal information' being stolen. I know that I should be, but I have this feeling that if the hacker(s) were going to do anything with it, they would of done so by now. At the time of writing this, I have heard of no one reporting fraud or identity stealing, heck no one has even reported an increase of spam emails or MSN stealing.
I have a hunch that this pretty much falls under a kind of hacktivism. They didn't do it because they wanted to steal money or to change your status on Facebook, I think they did it to prove to Sony that they could do it, to prove a point. I am of course in no way advocating what they did, in any sense. However, if the point is you like a challenge and to actually see an effect, then you are going to go after a very public target, who very publicly went after the hacking community, who very publicly said they were extremely 'secure' and by your very actions a majority of people are affected, hell its even making national news. See, in the past few days WordPress got hacked. How many no about that? Barely anyone, no large media hype, no national news slot. Just a side note on WP, you go after PSN and millions of user can't get online, you get people complaining on the internet. You take down PSN with the threat of personal information being stolen, your on the news.
Again, maybe I shouldn't be so nonchalant in this matter and I may even regret it, but lets just look at this in a logical manner. You steal a lot personal information, what do you do? Do you wait until Sony tells everyone to go out and change their passwords. Banks and credit card companies are being put on high alert for suspicious activity, with the police waiting to catch some fresh hacker blood OR do you do as much damage as possible, take little bits here and there, when the entire world, including Sony, the people you have hacked, are still in the dark about what you have done.
I have a hunch that this pretty much falls under a kind of hacktivism. They didn't do it because they wanted to steal money or to change your status on Facebook, I think they did it to prove to Sony that they could do it, to prove a point. I am of course in no way advocating what they did, in any sense. However, if the point is you like a challenge and to actually see an effect, then you are going to go after a very public target, who very publicly went after the hacking community, who very publicly said they were extremely 'secure' and by your very actions a majority of people are affected, hell its even making national news. See, in the past few days WordPress got hacked. How many no about that? Barely anyone, no large media hype, no national news slot. Just a side note on WP, you go after PSN and millions of user can't get online, you get people complaining on the internet. You take down PSN with the threat of personal information being stolen, your on the news.
Again, maybe I shouldn't be so nonchalant in this matter and I may even regret it, but lets just look at this in a logical manner. You steal a lot personal information, what do you do? Do you wait until Sony tells everyone to go out and change their passwords. Banks and credit card companies are being put on high alert for suspicious activity, with the police waiting to catch some fresh hacker blood OR do you do as much damage as possible, take little bits here and there, when the entire world, including Sony, the people you have hacked, are still in the dark about what you have done.
Don't mind him, he doesn't have a sense of humour. That video always makes me laugh.The_root_of_all_evil said:I try my best.tony2077 said:
Honestly Sony, couldn't you just have Tweeted
"#ohshit Servers have been compromised. Please block all cards. #notajoke"
i have a sense of humor its just a twisted fucked up oneTrogdor1138 said:Don't mind him, he doesn't have a sense of humour. That video always makes me laugh.The_root_of_all_evil said:I try my best.tony2077 said:
Honestly Sony, couldn't you just have Tweeted
"#ohshit Servers have been compromised. Please block all cards. #notajoke"
So...they knew there was a "breach of security" but they didn't know how bad it was until yesterday...but they knew it was bad. So they took PSN down. At that point wouldn't it be good to do a little damage control anyway and let everybody know "hey guys...turns out our system isn't unhackable...sorry"
You realise considering this breach of all those detail that any emails you get from Sony are completely unreliable, they could be spoofs.notyouraveragejoe said:
It could say "follow this link the change your password" when it just captures your new one!
Communicating via the media is probably safer as at least Sony still controls its twitter account.
No system is unhackable.drkchmst said:
No exceptions.
But one thing I wouldn't expect is for them to get any large amount of data. That should be segmented, encrypted and obscured so that any novice who gets into the network would take a long time finding the data, a long time extracting it and even longer trying to decrypt it. Long enough for them to be discovered then traced or cut-off.
The news is calling this "The Biggest Network Breach EVER!" and I'm inclined to believe them.
It's becoming apparent this is a watershed moment in network security, the worst case scenario.
Are you telling me that you sat on the information of 70 million users while the PSN was down for seven days and you're telling us NOW that they're in jeopardy?! AND you have the balls to tell us that you told us immediately?! I don't buy that, Sony. If you even cared about this issue in the slightest, then you'd have made damn sure that our identities and information aren't in the hands of hackers.