Sony Developing 300GB Blu-Ray Successor

[WWmelb]

So did they finalize a definite 4K standard?
Because without compression 300GB won?t last very long with 4k?

Considering that the cheapest 4K TVs are currently around 5000$ I would not worry too much about a new player...

he PS3's greatest weakness was that cross-platform games were often gimped on PS3 because the 360 drive only read DVDs. And cruddy online. But mostly the disc thing.

BS propaganda at its best.

Not true at all : http://gizmodo.com/5994765/seiki-50+inch-4k-tv-eyes+on-how-the-hell-is-a-tv-this-beautiful-so-cheap

4K TVs only really show benefit at a certain size and distance, so they aren't going to be commonplace enough even for enthusiasts.

Size thing maybe, but distance not so much according to the reviewer above.

4k will start becoming the norm relatively quickly i would think, i just hope games can utilize it. Was depressing to me as a PS3 owner how very few of games (especially later release games) utilized 1080p. Seems most of the early games on PS3 used it, but it came more infrequent as the years went on. I can only think that the the xbox's cap at 720p played a part in this, but that is pure speculation. Also does not account for the lack of 1080p games within the PS exclusives. Also, seeing as both the Xbone and PS4 appear to have 4k capabilities, i would assume that these new discs will play on regular blu-ray players. Although, that being said, the XB and PS will also have the ability to update their firmware and whatnot if it's required for new optical disc recognition or something, which normal BR players won't be able to do.

 

[Griffolion]

[a href="http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/sonys-blu-ray-replacement-to-store-1tb-on-a-single-disc/"]Erm, why is this news?[/a]

But hey, at least Sony remaining commited to physical media means these kinds of leaps for all of us. Though I wonder exactly what 300GB would mean for media at this point? Would that be enough for uncompressed 4K movies with uncompressed 7.1 channel sound data? Dayum, that's an experience.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

What the fuck? This isn't good news. We were supposed to be moving away from disc technology!

That would mean downloading 300gb.

Good christ even saying that puts a chill down my spine. And a chill down my ~70kb/s connection.

Digital download is not the only alternative to discs. Why not a USB based storage device? OK, not necessarily USB, but something like that. Something more durable and faster than a disc.

 

[Olas]

What in the bloody hell takes up 300 gigs that you would want to put on an optical disc?

How about a TV show? Wouldn't it be nice to watch all 10 seasons of Smallville without having to change disks?

Keep in mind I know very little about how this stuff works.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

Well if games and movies end up utilising all that storage capacity then I think physical media may not be going away as quickly as we thought.

 

[praetor_alpha]

Cue all the Sony haters saying that this will fail like all the other Sony formats. Somehow no one remembers Sony's other failed formats like CD and 3.5" floppies. Not like anyone ever used those in the 90s.

/sarcasm

 

[crepesack]

What the fuck? This isn't good news. We were supposed to be moving away from disc technology!

Its the same thing with HDD and SSD.

The former is still around purely because its way ahead in sheer capacity.

It's ahead in sheer capacity and longevity. SSDs have terrible shelf lives. Additionally high rpm hdd approach the speeds of SSD easily.

 

[Mahorfeus]

And here I thought that cartridges would make a comeback.

Pretty neat, though. It would be nice to have entire series on single discs and whatnot.

 

[Yuuki]

SSDs have terrible shelf lives.

It's a bit silly to pull statistics from the times when consumer SSD tech was still new. In more recent times SSD's from Samsung, Intel, and Crucial have far lower failure rates than HDD's from Western Digital, Samsung and Seagate. [http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.nz&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/881-6/disques-durs-3-5.html&usg=ALkJrhhFviQNBkLCAW5-GYn_HyBwN6IWQg]

Additionally high rpm hdd approach the speeds of SSD easily.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

So did they finalize a definite 4K standard?
Because without compression 300GB won?t last very long with 4k?

Considering that the cheapest 4K TVs are currently around 5000$ I would not worry too much about a new player...

he PS3's greatest weakness was that cross-platform games were often gimped on PS3 because the 360 drive only read DVDs. And cruddy online. But mostly the disc thing.

BS propaganda at its best.

Uncompressed video takes up a huge amount of data anyway -- 300 gigs wouldn't hold much uncompressed standard def video, let alone HD or 4K. There isn't a digital video standard on the market (At least for consumers) that uses uncompressed video. DVD uses MPEG 2, and Blu-Ray uses MPEG 4.

OT: I'm more curious about how they did it than anything else. There has been talk for years about an optical format that would use holograms, so that the data would be stored in three dimensions instead of two, greatly increasing the amount of available storage space. I wonder if Sony is finally going to follow through on what various fly by night operations have been promising for the last decade?

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

What in the bloody hell takes up 300 gigs that you would want to put on an optical disc?

How about a TV show? Wouldn't it be nice to watch all 10 seasons of Smallville without having to change disks?

Keep in mind I know very little about how this stuff works.

I suppose

But isn't that a bit niche?

I mean, is it REALLY worth spending what must be thousands upon thousands of dollar in R&D for something like that?

Especially when people will have to buy some new, likely extremely overpriced player to use the damn things.

It wouldn't happen anyway. Like I said on the facebook comments, if only the companies who owned these things would allow that to happen. There was a lot of talk when Blu-Ray was announced of putting an entire TV series on one disc in standard def (which if it's old and shot on video, that's all it exists as anyway), but it never happened because season boxed sets of DVDs made more money.

I mean it kind of makes sense, why sell the series as one (presumably between $20 and $100) purchase when you could sell multiple seasons, each in that price range?

 

[crepesack]

SSDs have terrible shelf lives.

It's a bit silly to pull statistics from the times when consumer SSD tech was still new. In more recent times SSD's from Samsung, Intel, and Crucial have far lower failure rates than HDD's from Western Digital, Samsung and Seagate. [http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.nz&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/881-6/disques-durs-3-5.html&usg=ALkJrhhFviQNBkLCAW5-GYn_HyBwN6IWQg]

Additionally high rpm hdd approach the speeds of SSD easily.

Uhm shelf life isn't the same as failure rate. HDDs hold data pretty much indefinitely. SSDs will die with time. Additionally data recovery form HDDs is significantly easier than with SSD.


And as for the seek times/speed I was told the wrong information. There's no need to be rude on this board.

 

[wfieldb]

SSDs have terrible shelf lives.

It's a bit silly to pull statistics from the times when consumer SSD tech was still new. In more recent times SSD's from Samsung, Intel, and Crucial have far lower failure rates than HDD's from Western Digital, Samsung and Seagate. [http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.nz&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.hardware.fr/articles/881-6/disques-durs-3-5.html&usg=ALkJrhhFviQNBkLCAW5-GYn_HyBwN6IWQg]

Additionally high rpm hdd approach the speeds of SSD easily.

Uhm shelf life isn't the same as failure rate. HDDs hold data pretty much indefinitely. SSDs will die with time. Additionally data recovery form HDDs is significantly easier than with SSD.


And as for the seek times/speed I was told the wrong information. There's no need to be rude on this board.

From what I understand as long as the drive is powered up and used once every five years or so it should be fine, data loss generally occurs after about 7 years of inactivity, if used regularly they can easily last decades.

 

[RicoADF]

What the fuck? This isn't good news. We were supposed to be moving away from disc technology!

Are you being sarcastic? Because dropping discs completely would be a dumb idea.

Well, as they said, this is for professional use. I don't expect this to be used commercially for a long while. At least not until the next console generation. These are likely only going to be used on the business side of things for a long while.

It depends on weather, as Tiberius says, it's a new disc format or rather an improvement on the current bluray system. If it can play on current BR players (which would be the smart move) then it'd just be a higher capacity BR disc. If it's a new format all together (which it sounds like) then yes a new drive is required and it wont be in consumer hands for quite awhile, assuming it ever takes off.

My thoughts exactly. While it's a neat idea, Blu-Ray itself has barely been adopted yet - most people still stick to DVDs. Also, 3x the storage is not nearly a big enough leap for people to really care about. Floppies, disc, DVD, blu-ray; these have all had a leap of several magnitudes (~100x boost). The next major format will only change when people start sharing terabytes if we follow <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law>Moore's Law, otherwise this will go the way of laserdisc, betamax, and HD-DVD.

On the otherhand, if they can manage to get Blu-Ray players to read them as well, they'll simply become BluRay+, just like Sony did with the original compression updates. Originally ~14GB, they somehow got the same discs to hold ~33GB, then ~100GB.

I agree completly, if it's some new format then it'll be a long time if ever before it replaces Bluray, which itself has taken long enough to get it's foot in the door.

 

[frizzlebyte]

What the fuck? This isn't good news. We were supposed to be moving away from disc technology!

For long-term and enterprise storage, discs can be much more durable and easier to archive, not to mention that it is far more affordable than flash storage, at least for now.

 

[Jace1709]

There are always going to be people (like me) that like having physical copies of Games, Movies and TV Shows. I have a large collection of Movies and TV Series on DVD, and i would never trade it for a reliable streaming service, even if my broadband was super-fast with no usage cap. Streaming services are perfectly fine if you want to watch something new that maybe a friend recommended, or just to sample something you're not sure about, but for things i really like, i can't buy them from Amazon or the local supermarket fast enough.

This is just the next step in what i think is a great product, small, light, and durable. Maybe in a few years something else will appear to take its place, like credit card sized storage, but until then...

Long live Optical Discs.

 

[Strazdas]

What the fuck? This isn't good news. We were supposed to be moving away from disc technology!

And what do you suggest for long term storage then?
I use DVDs. The only reason i use them is storage (i dont have a blue ray drive okay?). But they saved my life a few times already.

Digital download is not the only alternative to discs. Why not a USB based storage device? OK, not necessarily USB, but something like that. Something more durable and faster than a disc.

USB sticks? yeah, that may work as a plan B if discs were to somehow dissapear. Cards? they are already only fit for mobile devices, and even then its much better when they use their own HDDs. heck, mobile devices always were the extremely late adopter when it comes to storage space anyway. "you got 10 mb. what is this you want more? nope we dont make such models.". well at least now it begins to get 2-4gb internal storages. Disc is very durable when it comes to longevity. As for speed neither USB nor cards can compare. maybe USB3 could.

What the fuck? This isn't good news. We were supposed to be moving away from disc technology!

Its the same thing with HDD and SSD.

The former is still around purely because its way ahead in sheer capacity.

and relaiability. and longevity. and price. SSD is a great drive on paper. in reality however so far it is a total failure.

What in the bloody hell takes up 300 gigs that you would want to put on an optical disc?

Backups.
I counted last year - i got 660 DVDs for backups and long term storage. its starting to take a bit too much space.

That would mean downloading 300gb.

Good christ even saying that puts a chill down my spine. And a chill down my ~70kb/s connection.

And thus publishers defeated the pirates by making the movies files too big to download for anything but shitty cinema-cam.[/quote]
because stuff like bluerayrip that tales 1400mb does not exist right?

[a href="http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/sonys-blu-ray-replacement-to-store-1tb-on-a-single-disc/"]Erm, why is this news?[/a]

But hey, at least Sony remaining commited to physical media means these kinds of leaps for all of us. Though I wonder exactly what 300GB would mean for media at this point? Would that be enough for uncompressed 4K movies with uncompressed 7.1 channel sound data? Dayum, that's an experience.

a truly uncompressed (full frame) 1080p video takes around 4-5GB per minute. a truly uncompressed 1080p movie would not fit on this proposed 300 GB drive. All videos you see on blueray are compressed, msot people never see uncompressed videos in thier entire lives, most people never need to as completely umcompressed videos are needed only when you cant work with higher resolution than the end product your making and need to recode the thing multiple times. In fact, dvds use quite terrible compression method to be honest.....

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

USB sticks? yeah, that may work as a plan B if discs were to somehow dissapear. Cards? they are already only fit for mobile devices, and even then its much better when they use their own HDDs. heck, mobile devices always were the extremely late adopter when it comes to storage space anyway. "you got 10 mb. what is this you want more? nope we dont make such models.". well at least now it begins to get 2-4gb internal storages. Disc is very durable when it comes to longevity. As for speed neither USB nor cards can compare. maybe USB3 could.

That's why I said "move away from disc technology". We should work on developing new, more efficient ways to store data.