Sony Executive Calls For Always-On Media Players

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Spencer Stephens sounds like a dickhead, and can go fuck himself.

Haven't really got anything else to say on the matter, apart from reiterating that the reason people pirate movies is a lack of choices to get said movies in a convenient way.
Downloading a 1080p movie torrent is a quicker and more convenient process than paying for it. Until cheap DRM-free HD movie downloads are offered globally, people are still gonna download movies.

I don't give a shit if i have to pay $5 or nothing to download my movie, i'm going with the option that provides the better service. And because these companies are run by archaic, out-of-touch fools, that service is currently torrents.
 

Madman123456

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Alright alright, i can understand why the content mafia is jumping onto this always online stuff because in theory, it could provide a way to enforce DRM without annoying the costumer much.

But i did not know it was even possible to have your head so very far up your ass. Did this wonderful person not see Mr Orth getting fired because he thinks people living somewhere with a shitty internet connection might just want to move? Which, by the way, some people might just do just to be done with comcast and At&t...
Did this Actor masquerading as a human not get the double backlash microsoft got at the unveiling of the xbone and e3?

The next one might be weirdly understandable, since none of the People from the always on fraction seems to be able to get this into their heads:
Always online is almost always a colossal failure. "Starcraft 2" was a notable exception for not totally crapping out. So for now, it's halfway decent.
"Diablo 3" was transformed into it's own feature, the auction house as soon as it finally started working.

I'm still amazed. This would be a philosophical MC Escher sketch. This Person has his Head so far up his Ass that he can see his own teeth.
 

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When will corporations learn they just cant own us, they can borrow us for a while but they will never be able to totally control flow of information.
I think they weep for times when only way to pir8 was FTP or news..
To me, pirating is a vote in a consumers hand, or washer of marketing shit piled on top of the product.
Before,they could make a shitty movie/game/song and put out trailer that has all the best parts of the movie 1:44min. long/demo of first level but all the other levels are the same/ from 14 song on album only one got a single that was good, the rest was crap and in no way connected with the feel of the first song..
 

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I love how piracy makes the honest customers life harder with each "innovation". Also... How about people who watch movies at summer homes (common in Finland) remote locations, people who live in rural areas, people who sail around (Yet again common past time during rainy days at ports here in Finland - along with drinking). And people in submarines and military outposts (see what I did there?).



Being honest in modern society is both expensive and stressful. It is odd how places like torrent sites/communities and such offer better customer care and support than real dealerships.
 

Petromir

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THeres more idiot decisions here. the 1st model of sony's 4k media player requires registration for a lot of its features, and to register you need a sony 4k tv......
 

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TiberiusEsuriens said:
...And manufacturers are complaining that TV and player sales are dropping.

Pro-Tip: if you want people to buy your stuff don't block them from using it.
Sony is extremely anti-piracy because they own a movie studio and record labels...
They can only sell you ONE 4K-player, but then want to sell you movies and music for a DECADE to make the REAL cash.

Still, every DRM measure is shit that pisses legit customers off.
Making it easy to get legal content at a fair price is the ONLY thing that will EVER work.
 

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You're telling me there's a "new HD" coming already... Jeez, I've only had my HDTV for what, 3 years? I'm not buying another bloody one so soon. Screw the DRM too, their gaming side of things learned from what their opposition did, maybe the media side of them needs to as well.
 

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And thus begins the age of licensing our media on devices that dictate our every use of them and soon a maximum audience size.
 

Something Amyss

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this is 2013 and you still have not managed to get rid of region locks, what kind of stupidity is this? why woudl i ever buy a player that had such restrictions. remmeber when music players tried that? yeah, half of the legal songs didint play. this will never work. besides either the devices will get cracked real easy or they will simulate the whatever few bytes of checked they have on the software and will priate it anyway.
Funny story: when they started pulling this, my PC was my only CD player. Yeah, that shit used to crash my computer.

But why would you do it? I don't know, why would you buy a DVD player? They're already copy-protected. It's bad copy protection, but it's copy protection.

The music industry probably deeply regrets the Compact Disc, because they created what was effectively the perfect physical format for music. So good it resisted all successors to date. It's a shame so many CDs now sound like they were mastered for low-quality iTunes files.

But yeah, I object to being treated like a dirty thieving pirate. I've got binders and binders of CDs I purchased legally and while I buy digital, I still buy CDs. As a consumer, I've moved more and more away from purchasing CDs from the major labels. It doesn't hurt that I'm a pair of skinny jeans and douchy facial hair away from being a hipster, so I largely don't miss it. I'll swallow my pride for certain bands (currently buying my way through the remasters of Queen, the Beatles and the Beach Boys), but in general their loss of my money is more to my lack of interest in their product and my dislike of the way they treat me.

rob_simple said:
I'll just stick to my Blu-Rays, then. They look fantastic on my TV, so I don't see what benefit I'd get from this new, more restrictive system.
BD was also progressively more restrictive system, and it helped push HDCP into being a mainstay. This is one of the reasons it had so much studio support: BD was more restrictive than the protocols for HD-DVD. This was kind of a big deal.

SinisterGehe said:
I love how piracy makes the honest customers life harder with each "innovation".
Piracy doesn't. Companies do.

subabuser said:
When will corporations learn they just cant own us, they can borrow us for a while but they will never be able to totally control flow of information.
Probably when we, the consumer, stop giving them the impression. People will break free and/or pirate media, but the increasingly restricted media will still continue to sell and sell big with the mainstream consumer. The industry will continue to grow, all while they continue to complain that piracy is ruining them and they are totally going broke. We reward this behaviour by buying into it. It's a huge business and it's still getting bigger.

Now, I don't know if this applies to you, but it applies to consumers as a whole. And it is progressive, it's been downhill since the days of video cassette at the very least (when taping off the radio was killing the industry and we had Betamax lawsuits).

And as such...

Saulkar said:
And thus begins the age of licensing our media on devices that dictate our every use of them and soon a maximum audience size.
"So it begins" is a sentiment that's decades late.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
rob_simple said:
I'll just stick to my Blu-Rays, then. They look fantastic on my TV, so I don't see what benefit I'd get from this new, more restrictive system.
BD was also progressively more restrictive system, and it helped push HDCP into being a mainstay. This is one of the reasons it had so much studio support: BD was more restrictive than the protocols for HD-DVD. This was kind of a big deal.
But did it affect me, as a consumer? I've never had a problem playing a Blu-Ray in a device, from the little bit I just read on HDCP it just seems to affect people trying to copy Blu-Rays, and I can't really argue with companies protecting their product so long as it doesn't affect me.

As soon as it becomes intrusive, like video games that constantly ask me to redeem my online code even though I bought the game new but still have no interest in playing online, or this new notion that always-online is the best, then I'd start looking for alternatives.

Maybe I'm just burying my head in the sand, but I genuinely don't see what's wrong with the restrictions placed on Blu-Rays, especially when compared to a device that wants you to check in constantly and all the other Big Brother stuff they can pull while you're connected to the internets.
 

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rob_simple said:
BD was also progressively more restrictive system, and it helped push HDCP into being a mainstay. This is one of the reasons it had so much studio support: BD was more restrictive than the protocols for HD-DVD. This was kind of a big deal.
But did it affect me, as a consumer? I've never had a problem playing a Blu-Ray in a device, from the little bit I just read on HDCP it just seems to affect people trying to copy Blu-Rays, and I can't really argue with companies protecting their product so long as it doesn't affect me.

As soon as it becomes intrusive, like video games that constantly ask me to redeem my online code even though I bought the game new but still have no interest in playing online, or this new notion that always-online is the best, then I'd start looking for alternatives.

Maybe I'm just burying my head in the sand, but I genuinely don't see what's wrong with the restrictions placed on Blu-Rays, especially when compared to a device that wants you to check in constantly and all the other Big Brother stuff they can pull while you're connected to the internets.[/quote]

I suppose if you mean it didn't affect you personally, then no, it didn't. But I don't know which you mean. It's been obtrusive for a lot of people who didn't have HDCP setups. This is now going to be an issue for both of the next gen consoles (I don't count the Wii U as Next Gen), so it could well impact you in a year or two (if you're a console user, again, I don't know). The necessity to update to play latest firmware also has run into issues and already serves as a form of online DRM. If you're a PS3 user, you've already experienced it even if you're not using it as a BD player, because they're merged the two things.

So honestly, your mileage may vary. However, your support of BD has paved the way for this exact sort of thing. And if you're cool with that, that's fine. It's just strange to see people outraged when we've been slowly watching out control slip out of our fingers.
 

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This Sony executive will soon be seen at a press conference retracting his comments, with several bruises on his face.
No no no...this is JAPAN. If we ever see him again, it's with a sword lodged in his gut.

Suffice to say, I'm sure ABSOLUTELY NOTHING will go wrong here! (WAH HAH HAAAH!!!)
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
rob_simple said:
But did it affect me, as a consumer? I've never had a problem playing a Blu-Ray in a device, from the little bit I just read on HDCP it just seems to affect people trying to copy Blu-Rays, and I can't really argue with companies protecting their product so long as it doesn't affect me.

As soon as it becomes intrusive, like video games that constantly ask me to redeem my online code even though I bought the game new but still have no interest in playing online, or this new notion that always-online is the best, then I'd start looking for alternatives.

Maybe I'm just burying my head in the sand, but I genuinely don't see what's wrong with the restrictions placed on Blu-Rays, especially when compared to a device that wants you to check in constantly and all the other Big Brother stuff they can pull while you're connected to the internets.
I suppose if you mean it didn't affect you personally, then no, it didn't. But I don't know which you mean. It's been obtrusive for a lot of people who didn't have HDCP setups. This is now going to be an issue for both of the next gen consoles (I don't count the Wii U as Next Gen), so it could well impact you in a year or two (if you're a console user, again, I don't know). The necessity to update to play latest firmware also has run into issues and already serves as a form of online DRM. If you're a PS3 user, you've already experienced it even if you're not using it as a BD player, because they're merged the two things.

So honestly, your mileage may vary. However, your support of BD has paved the way for this exact sort of thing. And if you're cool with that, that's fine. It's just strange to see people outraged when we've been slowly watching out control slip out of our fingers.
No, I was just curious how Blu Ray affected the consumer in general. I know it's a dick move to say 'I've not had any problems, so it must not be an issue' but I've been using my PS3 as a Blu Ray player for a few years now without incident.

I just like to try and stay up to date with what I should be avoiding/wary of.
 

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rob_simple said:
No, I was just curious how Blu Ray affected the consumer in general. I know it's a dick move to say 'I've not had any problems, so it must not be an issue' but I've been using my PS3 as a Blu Ray player for a few years now without incident.

I just like to try and stay up to date with what I should be avoiding/wary of.
Fair enough. I hedged my bets and tried to address it both ways.

BD still isn't as bad, but it's the precursor. Kind of like Bob Dole paving the way for a race of crotchety aliens with erectile dysfunction.
 

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Sony sony sony... Why cant the various arms of your company talk to one another? I'm pretty sure the playstation arm would have said "STOP NO THIS IS THE WORST TIME TO SAY THIS!" or something...
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Yeah, let me be the first to say that this won't work, unless it was designed to annoy consumers or somesuch.
This, I guess this guy didn't hear about the Horus Heresy level shitstorm that kicked off when Microsoft pulled this stunt.

Well I guess I'm glad I just use my game console as a dvd player these days. I swear does anyone pay the fuck attention in these companies anymore?
I think Microsoft keep trying to storm the Cadian Gate... I know it's a tortured analogy but they do keep trying to sell chaos to their audience... And of coourse they do have co conspiritors in their fanboys.
 

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For a guy advocating Always-On he doesn't seem to have been online at all, or even have read any recent news articles related to Sony.

"Sorry, my always-on required computer was broken and I thought the internet had a global shutdown. So I hadn't heard about the Xbone. My bad guys."
 

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Hahaha, I knew it was only a matter of time before they figured out a way to crack down on illegally downloaded media. But with tablets and consoles and computers, what future does the traditional disk-only reader even have? Especially if it goes that route?