So they didn't think that the camera did enough things differently, so they went ahead and blatantly copied the Wii remote almost exactly? SONY: Innovation through imitation.
Sony Explains Why It Passed on Natal Tech
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$100? I heard it would be around $40-$50, at least for a single controller like the others, I know that for sure. Although that probably doesn't include a PlaystationEye with it, but even then I heard it would be around $70 with it, though that I'm most likely wrong on.AceDiamond said:
As for the need for 2 Move controllers, that's entirely dependent on the game. And say what you want 'bout the Move, at least it's showcasing actual games. With Natal, I've only ever seen the "Balls comin' atchya!" thing. I can't get that stupid initial launch trailer out of my head, it was all like "WOOO!! You can pretend to switch out tires on a racing game, WOO!! You can scan your board and pretend to skate, WOO!!" GOSH! At least the Move showcased actual games...
And yes, I find the Penny Arcade comic hilarious. You gotta love Trenton* for his blatantness-ess-ss.
*And Kevin Butler. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0puP8nrIU8] He better do Sony's E3 conference...
I would just like to point out the huge difference between the girls leg VS the avatars Leg in the natal promo pic they are using.
I think that says it all really.
I think that says it all really.
The Move will come with an Eyetoy. It is basically both Natal and an accurate version of the Wiimote (and will have a secondary controller that is wireless and reads motion, the nunchuk's crapiness prevented me from being able to succeed in CoD3's QTEs (it wouldn't read the motion to pull out the pin in the bombs and it took many tries to get it to read the movements in the face-to-face Nazi encounter bits)).
Natal will flop like the Eyetoy originally did. Can you play Halo or Crackdown on Natal? With most 360 owners being shooter fans, Natal will have to try and sell it and a 360 to people who most likely already have a Wii.
I don't think I will bother getting a Move, but all bias aside, it looks like the best option for gaming.
Natal will flop like the Eyetoy originally did. Can you play Halo or Crackdown on Natal? With most 360 owners being shooter fans, Natal will have to try and sell it and a 360 to people who most likely already have a Wii.
I don't think I will bother getting a Move, but all bias aside, it looks like the best option for gaming.
Makes perfect sense to me what he's saying. Natal is more advanced then their own Eye-Toy effort, but it doesn't do enough new things to warrant buying similar tech again. If they hadn't gone in that direction in previous development, then they might have picked it up like MS did.
Is it that hard to grasp for people? He isn't saying that it didn't do enough new things in terms of innovation, but in terms of what PS as a brand had to offer. Even if they are ripping of the Wii it will be a new facet for the PS3 line-up, makes perfect sense to me.
As of now:
It's a little hard to tell how much better Sony's Move will be than Nintendo's Wii+ controller.
It's a little hard to tell how much better Natal will be than Sony's Eye-Toy.
Is it that hard to grasp for people? He isn't saying that it didn't do enough new things in terms of innovation, but in terms of what PS as a brand had to offer. Even if they are ripping of the Wii it will be a new facet for the PS3 line-up, makes perfect sense to me.
What? That's not very difficult. It has buttons and a controller, a completely different interface.Logan Westbrook said:
As of now:
It's a little hard to tell how much better Sony's Move will be than Nintendo's Wii+ controller.
It's a little hard to tell how much better Natal will be than Sony's Eye-Toy.
I will admit to that. It now really comes down to whether Sony can live up to its promises and make to much more precise that the Wiimote. Either way, I'm not getting it.scotth266 said:Yeah, seriously. I mean, no matter how much of a Sony fan you are, you have to admit that the Move is a shameless copy of the WiimoteHubilub said:
Makes sense.
Sony has a lot of experience with the general idea behind Natal, after all...
As for the whole move vs Wii argument...
I don't think it's going to be that impressive in the end.
The tech demos for Sony's system look good, don't get me wrong, but... The raw data from a motionplus device suggest to me that the accuracy thing isn't going to be as impressive as it sounds.
Basically, I very much doubt sony's system can pull off anything the wii couldn't also do already...
Then again, with the track record of wii developers, that doesn't mean anyone will actually bother to implement what's theoretically possible.
How many motionplus titles do we even have at this point? 3? And the tech has existed for... 9 months now?
Is it really that hard?
Sony has a lot of experience with the general idea behind Natal, after all...
As for the whole move vs Wii argument...
I don't think it's going to be that impressive in the end.
The tech demos for Sony's system look good, don't get me wrong, but... The raw data from a motionplus device suggest to me that the accuracy thing isn't going to be as impressive as it sounds.
Basically, I very much doubt sony's system can pull off anything the wii couldn't also do already...
Then again, with the track record of wii developers, that doesn't mean anyone will actually bother to implement what's theoretically possible.
How many motionplus titles do we even have at this point? 3? And the tech has existed for... 9 months now?
Is it really that hard?
I just relised what Natal is, it's one of those camera games you used to stick on computers to make you snow board or somethin'
True, true. But it's still pretty hilarious to read articles like this and really wonder what goes through (or more likely doesn't go through) the guys at Sony's heads. It's like a black vortex of silly comments rolling around in there.RicoADF said:
Personally I don't think Natal or this look like anything special. If I'm going to throw my chips into the motion capture stupidity I'm going to just keep playing the Wii and hope that the Motion Controls get better. I don't see any reason to get invested in yet another consoles motion stupidity especially when it's just an afterthought to draw in more gamers because of the Wii being a huge success. I wonder if they realize that part of the Wii's appeal was that Nintendo marketed it as more of a toy for the family / grandparents than a video game console. I don't think I have that much faith in either company to be honest.
I really dont keep up with the motion control crap but I can tell you this... the Sony Move really lets you pull back the bow string?
Where the Wii-Mote is only a gesture system, the Move is a real deal motion controller, 1:1 and 3D. (you can actually go in/out of the screen with precision accuracy)
Where the Wii-Mote is only a gesture system, the Move is a real deal motion controller, 1:1 and 3D. (you can actually go in/out of the screen with precision accuracy)
The reason I'm not too impressed is that sounds like something you can do in Wii sports resort. The Wii now has the vaunted 1 to 1 that they claimed you'd have before. I actually found the sword fighting and archery to be a lot of fun because of that. Well a lot of fun for a glorified flash game anyways.
Ahh Sony, you make me laugh.
Their comments seem clearly aimed at breaking down Microsoft's credibility, while not-so-subtly saying "Sony wouldn't do something that's been done before! We're unique and ever so smart!" These rival companies should not be talking about each other's ideas as if they can't possibly succeed, most people can spot the bias. It's dishonourable, in my opinion. Doesn't serve much purpose other than provoking arguements.
My personal opinion is that the Wii is a letdown in it's execution, the Move is blatantly ripping it off with big claims (which the Wii had too, I might add), and the Natal is likely going to become overly casual and gimicky. That said, I can't see anything that would put the Move above Natal, Move sounds more limited in all ways to me.
My hope is that Natal ends up being an extra feature in games instead of a main focus, like some companies have suggested, like Lionhead and Epic, or at least be a gateway to better tech in the future. I just don't see that happening with Move.
Their comments seem clearly aimed at breaking down Microsoft's credibility, while not-so-subtly saying "Sony wouldn't do something that's been done before! We're unique and ever so smart!" These rival companies should not be talking about each other's ideas as if they can't possibly succeed, most people can spot the bias. It's dishonourable, in my opinion. Doesn't serve much purpose other than provoking arguements.
My personal opinion is that the Wii is a letdown in it's execution, the Move is blatantly ripping it off with big claims (which the Wii had too, I might add), and the Natal is likely going to become overly casual and gimicky. That said, I can't see anything that would put the Move above Natal, Move sounds more limited in all ways to me.
My hope is that Natal ends up being an extra feature in games instead of a main focus, like some companies have suggested, like Lionhead and Epic, or at least be a gateway to better tech in the future. I just don't see that happening with Move.
Indeed. Sony says some stupid things sometimes.Citrus Insanity said:
OT: You know, out of Natal and Move, I'm actually looking forward to Natal more. I think it would be more fun to have when my friends are over.
I really don't want to buy two things (Move&Eye Toy) unless they are bundled and cost less than buying the products individually. Sony should consider this.