Sony Hacker Lawsuits Earn the Wrath of Anonymous [UPDATED]

[caviar1]

UPDATE UPDATE: the site works fine

 

[JDKJ]

As much as I disliked sony before this whole GeoHot incident, I dont think Anonymous would have gone after them and nor would have I really rooted for one side or the other.

However sony caused this whole incident when they removed the advertised feature of using the PS3 as a linux box. If they did not want that functionality on there console they should have have advertised it. The hackers main goal was to enable there PS3s to work with linux again, not to enable pirated games. It was only after the linux crowd cracked it that piracy became a concern.

Sony brought this whole ball of wax on themselves. I root for Anonymous all the way and hope they do way more than a few DOSS attacks.

Iv been watching Anonymous and I have yet to see them do anything to anyone that was not being a complete jerk in the first place. (even if it is 'wrong'/illegal)

Lemme ask you this: do you really believe that the skatety-eight million people in the State of California alone who visited Hotz' weblog and downloaded his file with instructions on how to crack a PS3 did so because they're interested in running Linux on the PS3s? Perhaps it's more fair to say that Hotz was the one who stirred the shit bucket when he posted his crack to the internet. If he'd have kept his big-ass mouth shut, I bet you Sony wouldn't be squeezing his nuts like they are.

 

[Atheist.]

I hope that one of them screws up and gets caught, and in turn, rats out more of them.

When you mess with the PS3s software, you're not "tinkering with something you own", you're tinkering with something you're leasing. Huge difference.

I'm sure Anon operates in a cell based structure, so it wouldn't really matter if one or two get caught.

Going to have to go with Anon on this one. Sony is indeed using the legal system to their advantage and are getting ready to set a dangerous legal precedent.

Also, on a different note... Why did Sony even have the Other OS option? There is no WAY they couldn't have seen the whole pirating situation blowing up if you put that in there. Seriously the major OS for hackers is Linux/some Unix variety, you're just asking for this.

 

[Devi Darkside]

Oh boy, Something tells me this is not going to end up pretty. I usually favor Anon with a lot of things, but this time it feels... off. Dunno how else to put it.

I think this might be why, it's why it feels off for me

SONY isn't abusing the legal system, they're USING the legal system. You might think what they're suing for is wrong, but if the judge allows the case to go through, it's because it's not abusing the legal system and a case can be made by both sides. You might not like what SONY is doing, but a legal battle is a viable option for SONY, they are using it, and if you don't understand that, tough.

I've supported Anon' MANY times in the past, including the WBC bollocks they went through, but they were right for that. WBC was pushing hate on the world. SONY is not abusing the legal system, they are simply using that method

Why is it that EVERY TIME someone twitches the wrong way, Anonymous goes "You are abusing the public and misusing all of this! We shall teach you a lesson!" like their donning batman's fucking cape? I can understand it if they get involved in an issue or two, but now they're hacking for the sake of hacking, they're watching everything going "Can we find a reason to hack for that? no...... How about that? ...... no....... OOooooh, lets do THIS!!!!"

I agree completely Celtic. And I'm getting so fucking bored of them. It IS like every time someone "twitches the wrong" they attack..Or rather that's the case.

So the best way to get Sony to tolerate hackers is to hack Sony sites?

Err...

I agree with that too. It's all fucking stupid!

 

[darkcommanderq]

As much as I disliked sony before this whole GeoHot incident, I dont think Anonymous would have gone after them and nor would have I really rooted for one side or the other.

However sony caused this whole incident when they removed the advertised feature of using the PS3 as a linux box. If they did not want that functionality on there console they should have have advertised it. The hackers main goal was to enable there PS3s to work with linux again, not to enable pirated games. It was only after the linux crowd cracked it that piracy became a concern.

Sony brought this whole ball of wax on themselves. I root for Anonymous all the way and hope they do way more than a few DOSS attacks.

Iv been watching Anonymous and I have yet to see them do anything to anyone that was not being a complete jerk in the first place. (even if it is 'wrong'/illegal)

Lemme ask you this: Do you really believe that the skatety-eight million people in the State of California alone who visited Hotz' weblog and downloaded his file with instructions on how to crack a PS3 did so because they're interested in running Linux on the PS3s?

Oh of course not. Im sure tons of people used his method to allow pirated games. However they are not the ones who cracked it. Hotz did, and he did it to allow linux.

(I mean really now, who else but linux users would go though all of that hassle ne way).
The people that hack these types of systems dont do it to save a few bucks, they do it for the challenge. Also the way sony designed there consoles security was shit. This is probably the biggest reason why sony went after him. Its because a 19 year old OUT SMARTED THEM.

 

[JDKJ]

As much as I disliked sony before this whole GeoHot incident, I dont think Anonymous would have gone after them and nor would have I really rooted for one side or the other.

However sony caused this whole incident when they removed the advertised feature of using the PS3 as a linux box. If they did not want that functionality on there console they should have have advertised it. The hackers main goal was to enable there PS3s to work with linux again, not to enable pirated games. It was only after the linux crowd cracked it that piracy became a concern.

Sony brought this whole ball of wax on themselves. I root for Anonymous all the way and hope they do way more than a few DOSS attacks.

Iv been watching Anonymous and I have yet to see them do anything to anyone that was not being a complete jerk in the first place. (even if it is 'wrong'/illegal)

Lemme ask you this: Do you really believe that the skatety-eight million people in the State of California alone who visited Hotz' weblog and downloaded his file with instructions on how to crack a PS3 did so because they're interested in running Linux on the PS3s?

Oh of course not. Im sure tons of people used his method to allow pirated games. However they are not the ones who cracked it. Hotz did, and he did it to allow linux.

(I mean really now, who else but linux users would go though all of that hassle ne way).
The people that hack these types of systems dont do it to save a few bucks, they do it for the challenge. Also the way sony designed there consoles security was shit. This is probably the biggest reason why sony went after him. Its because a 19 year old OUT SMARTED THEM.

If Hotz did it to allow Linux, do you really believe he thought when he was posting it to the internet for all to share that the people most interested in having it would be people who wanted to run Linux? No, he didn't. He knew full well that 99% of the people who downloaded it were doing so in order to play pirated games. He knows as well as I do that the number of people who want to run Linux on a PS3 can fit in a Mini Cooper.

 

[joshuaayt]

Christ, they need to add another arrow to that quiver of theirs. Retrieving it each time must be a *****, anyway.

I like the idea, and I agree with Anon, to a degree- precedent is terrifying, especially when set by those too out of the loop to understand that you cannot just recall posted data.

But this? I can only see this backfiring and hurting you, the consumer. The gnat is certainly quicker than the Lion, but what happens when the Lion gets pissed and sends all of his Lion friends at the gnat homeworld?

Exactly, You get a tortured metaphor that makes no sense.

 

[jovack22]

I love it how Hackers appear to think that hacking and causing damage to other people's property will somehow win over the public.

This is fucking stupid, regardless of which side you are on.

I love how Sony appear to think that using corporate power to bully the public to get their way is going to win over the public.

 

[mjc0961]

Oh no Anonymous. Not the US Playstation website. It is so useful compared to its Xbox Live counterpart that I don't know what I will do without it. My life is over.

Seriously guys, I don't like what Sony is doing either, but if you think taking down a website that's two steps away from being useless (you can look at SOME, not all, of your trophies; you can SEE if your friends are online but you can't messages them; you can't do anything at all related to the Playstation Store [Xbox.com lets you add points, browse the entire Xbox Live Marketplace, and even make purchases that will start downloading the next time you turn on your 360]; and you can go post on the forums that have one of the worst layouts I have ever laid eyes on) is going to make them drop their case against GeoHot or whatever it is you think you're going to get them to do, you're wasting your time.

Oh, and I hope none of you guys did your attack from California, otherwise Sony is probably going to point at you and say "SEEEEEEE JUDGE! GEOHOT IS GETTING SUPPORT FROM CALIFORNIA! I TOOOOLD YOOOOUUUUU!!!"

If Hotz did it to allow Linux, do you really believe he thought when he was posting it to the internet for all to share that the people most interested in having it would be people who wanted to run Linux? No, he didn't. He knew full well that 99% of the people who downloaded it were doing so in order to play pirated games. He knows as well as I do that the number of people who want to run Linux on a PS3 can fit in a Mini Cooper.

Oh cool, you can read GeoHot's mind? What's his favorite color? Does he like ice cream? What is he going to hack next? ... Oh wait, you can't read his mind? You have no idea what he knows? Oh, okay then. I was excited about your awesome powers for a minute, too.

And in any case, the fact that some people will use it to pirate doesn't mean GeoHot should be held responsible. Somebody using something you did to do illegal activities doesn't make you guilty. It makes THEM guilty. Tell Sony to actually go sue the people who wrote programs that would allow piracy on the PS3 when used with the root key and then I'll support them. But they aren't doing that, are they?

 

[CapnDork1337]

*Wild Geohot appeared!

*Sony sends out EULA(shortsighted user agreement)!
*EULA uses hacker defense curl...
its console hackability decreased.

*Geohot uses shortsided workaround!
ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!

*Sony uses Legal Action!
Critical Hit!

*Geohot uses Victimization!
Geohot's victimization attracts Wild Anonymous

*Wild Anonymous' DDoS Ability clouds the battlefield!

This. ^^^

I don't even want to keep reading the thread anymore. That is definitely where it should have ended. You made my night man

 

[Nihilism_Is_Bliss]

Herrm... I have to admit I like how the PS3 has remained the sole hack (and therefore cheat and bot) free system, but I find it hard to root for them with the heinous removal of other OS on their record.

And the way they're dealing with the hackers is kind of ruthless and shady...

 

[ace_of_something]

I play the playstation I don't feel victimized. Maybe because I bought it to play playstation games that I paid for like a normal consumer.

Weird why so many people feel picked on.

 

[Emergent]

I only fucked the 12 year old once to see what it's like. I'm totally not a pedophile

Be careful what you say and do online, it could be taken out of context by others on the internet. That totally doesn't have any bearing on your position regarding Anonymous. Surely it doesn't. As to all those homicidal thoughts you claim to have, maybe you should talk to a professional or something, that can't be healthy.

Then, please, pardon my mistaken assumption and explain to me what the Court's track record for errors has to do with the price of cheese in Denmark. You raised it and said it left me without a leg to stand on with my point that a Court is generally disinclined to reverse itself (no sane person willingly wants to wear egg on their face or eat crow) and I'm not seeing what your point has to with my point or how it leaves me legless.

That isn't the point I raised at all.

 

[Mr Godfrey]

I'm pretty sure DDoS isn't technically illegal. It isn't hacking so much as using a system that does the same thing millions of patrons of the website would do should they all go to it at the same time.

 

[JDKJ]

I only fucked the 12 year old once to see what it's like. I'm totally not a pedophile

Be careful what you say and do online, it could be taken out of context by others on the internet. That totally doesn't have any bearing on your position regarding Anonymous. Surely it doesn't. As to all those homicidal thoughts you claim to have, maybe you should talk to a professional or something, that can't be healthy.

Then, please, pardon my mistaken assumption and explain to me what the Court's track record for errors has to do with the price of cheese in Denmark. You raised it and said it left me without a leg to stand on with my point that a Court is generally disinclined to reverse itself (no sane person willingly wants to wear egg on their face or eat crow) and I'm not seeing what your point has to with my point or how it leaves me legless.

That isn't the point I raised at all.

Well, then please don't hesitate to explain precisely WTF your point is.

 

[Emergent]

Simple enough: You weren't tackling a point I made, you just randomly quoted something out of context and tried to show how it was wrong. Since you weren't actually challenging any point I ever actually argued, the term "not even wrong" comes to mind when I think of your last few posts.

EDIT: edited for clarity.

 

[justnotcricket]

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Throwing a tantrum will sure teach them.

I mean, we could just get people to boycott the products and services. Let supply and demand do the "dirty work." But we're afraid that not enough people are bothered by this. So, instead, Anonymous gets louder and pretends it represents the majority interest.

And all they're going to do is make a harder road for those of us that would rather initiate dialogue with Sony to make changes. It'll be impossible to talk the issue out anymore, because they'll have clear reason to say, "This is why we don't 'negotiate' with hackers." Because we're so anxious to prove them right, they never have to admit they're wrong.

Pretty much this. I mean, isn't this just giving Sony ammunition in any fight against 'hackers' that they might have? Regardless of which side you take, it seems like the least helpful way to approach any disagreement ...especially when you can't be sure that you represent the majority of the aggrieved. I have a sad feeling that, assuming Sony doesn't just totally ignore this, it can only end badly for the average punter when Sony clamps down or some information gets lost or shared that shouldn't have or whatever. =(

 

[Grunt_Man11]

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Throwing a tantrum will sure teach them.

I mean, we could just get people to boycott the products and services. Let supply and demand do the "dirty work." But we're afraid that not enough people are bothered by this. So, instead, Anonymous gets louder and pretends it represents the majority interest.

And all they're going to do is make a harder road for those of us that would rather initiate dialogue with Sony to make changes. It'll be impossible to talk the issue out anymore, because they'll have clear reason to say, "This is why we don't 'negotiate' with hackers." Because we're so anxious to prove them right, they never have to admit they're wrong.

Let's not forget that Anonymous just gave Sony ammo and sympathy points with the courts.

They now have a means of getting themselves seen as the "victim" here. Not good news for those Sony is after, like Geohotz.

Plus not to mention the number of ways Sony's lawyers could twist this around in their favor. For example, they could make the claim that Geohotz is a member of Anonymous and these denial of service attacks are a retaliation, and thus proves his guilt.

Remember just because something is total BS doesn't mean people, or the courts, won't believe it.

Anonymous should of been more careful here, but instead they probably played right into Sony's hands.