Sony Hacker Lawsuits Earn the Wrath of Anonymous [UPDATED]

[jackpipsam]

GET EM ANON!

take down sony!

they do nothing with there SOE games its sick

 

[Emergent]

Slow down cowboy.
First of all Terms of Use/Terms of Service are not legally binding document. They are nothing but internal rules of service provided, where as service we understand something like PSN - not the hardware. For hardware to be considered service or it's part it can't be sold, only rented.
Sony pretends breaching TOS is equal to breaching a contract. Till this case, the only contract you made buying anything in any shop was the receipt bill which you finalize by paying for product. It's a case about your fundamental laws as customer.

Next thing is copyright does not affect hardware. Hardware, like toasters, can only be under protection of patent, and even then you are in full right to disassemble and modify it to your will. What is illegal, is using the parts of patented piece of hardware to create a copy of it and selling it as a new product.

Funny how in discussions about hacking always about 25% brags about how they are software developers, and yet they seem to have no idea what they are talking about...

Finally, hackers don't play by the rules of law. The whole hackers manifesto is about granting everyone free access to knowledge. It has both good and bad sides, but binary understanding of morality is the least of concerns of hackers scene.

Not much to add, other than to see this post was so undeniably awesome it deserved repeating and emphatic support. Really man, well said.

 

[Eldarion]

It's hard to know who to root for - ignoring for a moment that what Anonymous is threatening to do is illegal - as both sides make valid points in their arguments. On the one hand, it's hard to disagree with the idea that people should be able to tinker with something that they own, but on the other hand, it's impossible to ignore the fact that that tinkering can often enable software piracy.

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The customer shouldn't be allowed to tinker with something they own because it COULD lead to software piracy? Thats like saying that I shouldn't be allowed to clean my house just because I know how to turn household chemicals and soda pop into explosives. Should people not be allowed to modify their cars? Cause I COULD commit vehicular homicide with one.

Is the capacity to commit a crime good enough to assume that people will commit a crime? Cause that kinda logic kinda sucks.

 

[Hisshiss]

I assume this is the reason I can't access the playstation store, their website, or any damn thing realated to playstations or their news.

But oh yeah that's how you speak out against a company for screwing people over, by fucking over everyone else who's trying to use their services.

Seriously, fuck these people.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

The customer shouldn't be allowed to tinker with something they own because it COULD lead to software piracy? Thats like saying that I shouldn't be allowed to clean my house just because I know how to turn household chemicals and soda pop into explosives.

Err, no it isn't. To use your scenario, it's like saying that people shouldn't make explosives at home, because someone could get hurt.

 

[InfiniteSingularity]

I disagree with the fact that people shouldn't be allowed to mod their products because they might use it for piracy. That's like saying we shouldn't sell people knives because they might cut others.

I understand Sony's trepidation, but I don't agree with them.

This is justifiable because it causes harm to others. And often knives are bought and used specifically for that purpose

I don't disagree with you, just pointing that out

As for Anon, I have the utmost respect for their motivations and ideals, and they unfortunately have still been largely unsuccessful in their protests. But, according to my observations (which are, more often than not, wrong), Anonymous seem to be gathering momentum

 

[mandalorian2298]

This is how I see the situation (in the simplest possible terms:

Sony is saying to their consumers: "We are a big company with lots of money. We have the law on our side since we are able to lobby much harder then an average consumer. We can sell you a device and then forbid you from using it as you please, because that is the LAW. All your discussions about the morality of the said law may be interesting, but are ultimately fruitless because when all is said and done, the LAW will always be on the side of a powerful company and never on the side average citizen who bases his demands only on non-profitable talk of freedom and privacy. There is nothing that you can do about it."

Anonymous: "Nothing legal you mean?"


Seriously you Anonymous guys out there, we are way past the point where we could have expected that laws and governments will start putting the freedom of the people above the greed of the corporations. You guys are the only ones who can protect the common folk like myself from the future in which we will be forced to pay "breathing tax" to the company that obtained the local oxygen concession. Hit them hard! Never stop!

And thank you.

 

[Alizee Serenity]

This is just me talking here, but whats the whole point? Anon's standing up for what they believe is right-Sony is standing up for what they think is right...

After the nuclear fallout, who's really the winner? Is there really a winner, or just someone who they think is right??

In short and to a point, I have a feeling this whole 'war' (if I may say) really isn't going to help anyone! Just additional grey hair and wrinkles on both sides. If Sony didn't want people to tinker with whats theirs due to any reason possible, maybe they should say so in a binding contract when you buy the system to stop needless blow ups from occurring. I believe this is an argument that won't really have an end to it.

Life's too short! Lets just play friendly games, ya?

 

[SpaceMedarotterX]

This is the message we are sending to the world people, live it up. We are the many, we are the collective, we have no individual thought, we disregard the laws of our countries and we like spamming memes and dicks everywhere.

Thanks alot /b/tards.

 

[Monsterfurby]

Anonymous should keep hacking away at Scientology.
That's a cause one can definitely stand behind.

 

[TilMorrow]

Now just wait till Anonymous decides to take down PSN for awhile. Watch for all the people supporting them, that have PS3s, turn on them.

 

[TheFPSisDead]

Hackers need to fuck off

 

[Keava]

Thing is you are free to do what you want with a piece of equipment you bought. If you want to hack it so you can use other programs on it, fine, you can do that. But....the issue is different when you start circulating codes etc to others across the internet. I really wish these idiots would be arrested and put away, fined or whatever. They do things selfishly and not for the good of the people.

Can i ask why exactly ? What is wrong with sharing what you've learned? Just because some, pre defined law? What if the law is fundamentally wrong? Was Galileo Galilei wrong when he supported heliocentric theory? Was inquisition right only because the law allowed them to be right?

The main idea is to let the knowledge be accessible by everyone, what then people do with that knowledge is their own responsibility. Would you ban chemistry classes because someone could use that knowledge to kill others?

You want to know example of withholding knowledge... look at China, look at any dictatorship that limit's access to information. How is this different?

 

[Chibz]

What I love is how many people miss the point of this case ENTIRELY. NOWHERE in the EULA does it say that the system itself is licensed to you.

Good gravy, did any of you foo's actually READ the PSN EULA?

 

[jpoon]

Anonymous should keep hacking away at Scientology.
That's a cause one can definitely stand behind.

No doubt, they just be bringing scientology sites down continually, for months or years. Also spread all the information they can on how much of a fake bullshit "religion" (cult) that those idiots are following.