Sony is a Spy!

[vxicepickxv]

Not really bothered, i don't do anything wrong with my PS3, it plays games, films and browses the net and sends the ocasional message.

You're missing the point. The point is not that you've got nothing to hide. The point is they're trying to make you feel guilty by association, system association.

 

[Son of Detroit]

I'm not a PS3 owner but this about sums up my feelings on the matter. The only people who need to be worried by this news (and other stories to the same effect) are people who are playing outside the rules. Gaming is meant to be a pleasurable distraction from life's greater struggles, not the be-all and end-all.

I honestly can't understand people like you. Here we have Sony, this hugely powerful multi-national corporation inserting secret surveillance devices into their products, for no justified reason whatsoever and possibly against the laws of a number of countries, and yet some people say "I've got nothing to hide, let them wire tap me all they want."

Seriously, this is like a private, corporate version of 1984. Sony has inserted software into their product that allows them to remotely shut down the product you own and paid for whenever they feel like it. This isn't like copy protection, this is a physical item that you OWN. This is so beyond unethical that I can honestly hardly believe it.

Right. Sony is doing this for no reason, because the dick heads using custom firmware to pirate games and hack Black Ops/COD4 don't exist. Jesus take your head out of the sand, man.

 

[baker80]

Right. Sony is doing this for no reason, because the dick heads using custom firmware to pirate games and hack Black Ops/COD4 don't exist. Jesus take your head out of the sand, man.

I said no justified reason. It doesn't matter if Sony believes this will "cut down on piracy" (it won't) or hacking in multiplayer (oh noes, my precious frags).

Again, this is an item you OWN. This isn't software that's just licensed to you. By the laws of every country in the Western world you own a PS3 the moment you pay money for it. You can legally do whatever you effing please with it and Sony has absolutely no legal authority to stop you. This is the same reason Norway is now looking into legal action for the remote removal of the OtherOS option.

 

[MR T3D]

Right. Sony is doing this for no reason, because the dick heads using custom firmware to pirate games and hack Black Ops/COD4 don't exist. Jesus take your head out of the sand, man.

I said no justified reason. It doesn't matter if Sony believes this will "cut down on piracy" (it won't) or hacking in multiplayer (oh noes, my precious frags).

Again, this is an item you OWN. This isn't software that's just licensed to you. By the laws of every country on Earth you own a PS3 the moment you pay money for it. You can legally do whatever you effing please with it and Sony has absolutely no legal authority to stop you. This is the same reason Norway is now looking into legal action for the remote removal of the OtherOS option.

It's something you own, yes, but if you want to connect to THEIR FREE SERVICE, then you have to agree to their terms. you don't have to, you can still hack it up, just don't connect to PSN.
god, self entitled much?

 

[Son of Detroit]

This isn't software that's just licensed to you.

Except it is. You own the hardware not the firmware that comes with it.

 

[baker80]

It's something you own, yes, but if you want to connect to THEIR FREE SERVICE, then you have to agree to their terms. you don't have to, you can still hack it up, just don't connect to PSN.
god, self entitled much?

Seriously, do you guys even read the opening post? They're not preventing you from accessing PSN services, which they could legally do. There is a rootkit installed on the PS3 that allows them to execute code on your PS3, whenever they want, and read out what files you have on your system, whenever they want. In PC terms that's a Trojan.

Except it is. You own the hardware not the firmware that comes with it.

I'd have to get back to you on that one. I'm not sure what exactly the legal situation on firmware is, as it's such an integral part of the hardware's function.

 

[MR T3D]

It's something you own, yes, but if you want to connect to THEIR FREE SERVICE, then you have to agree to their terms. you don't have to, you can still hack it up, just don't connect to PSN.
god, self entitled much?

Seriously, do you guys even read the opening post? They're not preventing you from accessing PSN services, which they could legally do. There is a rootkit installed on the PS3 that allows them to execute code on your PS3, whenever they want, and read out what files you have on your system, whenever they want. In PC terms that's a Trojan.

I'm perfectly aware of that. this rootkit isn't going to do anything unless you're breaching the terms of use AND connecting to THEIR free service with your unauthorized (modified) hardware/firmware.

Besides, its run by the company that your system is connecting to anyway, its a "you want our stuff, you're playing by our rules using the hardware/firmware/software we permit."
if one doesn't like it, there are two options:
-DEAL WITH IT
-PLAY ON A DIFFERENT SYSTEM
-DON'T CONNECT TO PSN, KEEP USING THE PS3 FOR LINUX

As far as countermeasures to prevent the piracy and stuff now, this is a pretty decent one, not affecting us legit consumers.

 

[Gindil]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not...

Well, they can't be all bad. They gave us Kinect and Halo...

...

Nevermind, Microsoft can rot in hell.

It's something you own, yes, but if you want to connect to THEIR FREE SERVICE, then you have to agree to their terms. you don't have to, you can still hack it up, just don't connect to PSN.
god, self entitled much?

Seriously, do you guys even read the opening post? They're not preventing you from accessing PSN services, which they could legally do. There is a rootkit installed on the PS3 that allows them to execute code on your PS3, whenever they want, and read out what files you have on your system, whenever they want. In PC terms that's a Trojan.

I'm perfectly aware of that. this rootkit isn't going to do anything unless you're breaching the terms of use AND connecting to THEIR free service with your unauthorized (modified) hardware/firmware.

Besides, its run by the company that your system is connecting to anyway, its a "you want our stuff, you're playing by our rules using the hardware/firmware/software we permit."
if one doesn't like it, there are two options:
-DEAL WITH IT
-PLAY ON A DIFFERENT SYSTEM
-DON'T CONNECT TO PSN, KEEP USING THE PS3 FOR LINUX

As far as countermeasures to prevent the piracy and stuff now, this is a pretty decent one, not affecting us legit consumers.

You do realize that Sony has gotten into trouble over rootkits [http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2005/10/31/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights-management-gone-too-far.aspx] once before? The reaction they got? Scorn [http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2007/12/paper-disregard-for-customers-dmca-led-to-sony-cd-rootkit.ars], ridicule, and an exemption [http://blogs.publishersweekly.com/blogs/PWxyz/?p=806]