Sony Losing Money on PSP, PS3
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This is a fucking shame, Sony taking hits like this is no good news. I just hope it doesn't landslide like it did for SEGA (long live the Dreamcast). I think the big issue is that they tried to push an extremely expensive hand-held device at the exact wrong time, and Nintendo won out in that battle. That and the fact that their reputation has taken a hit of late.
They need to pull their shit together and try to come up with some solid strategies for making money again because I for one do NOT want to see a console market dominated by Microsoft with their only competition being Nintendo, those will be fucking dark days, dark days indeed.
They need to pull their shit together and try to come up with some solid strategies for making money again because I for one do NOT want to see a console market dominated by Microsoft with their only competition being Nintendo, those will be fucking dark days, dark days indeed.
The situation of the big 3 console developers is such a headache. I hope Sony doesn't go down, but it really needs to up its game.
There has been a serious drought of good PS3/PSP titles. Is this a sign of the death of console gaming in general, or just a problem with Sony? Perhaps it's both... at a time when gaming is more popular than ever, why is this happening?
There has been a serious drought of good PS3/PSP titles. Is this a sign of the death of console gaming in general, or just a problem with Sony? Perhaps it's both... at a time when gaming is more popular than ever, why is this happening?
That's not personal it's business. Sony quality has steadily declined throughout the years and they have had no issues throwing their customers under the bus. Treat your customers like shit and make crappy products, you lose business.GenGenners said:
This is nonsense. Sony isn't the only employer out there and more importantly it is not the only company competing for that money. Money not spent on Sony products will mostly go to other companies, thus providing employment and income to other, better people.Boudica said:
This is more of an issue with how games are made, actually.Trishbot said:
Because the playstation/xbox/wii are all standardized hardware, it is much easier to design to the limit of it's potential.
PCs on the other hand, are wildly different and parts are released by different manufacturers, some are frankensteined from random shit, etc. DirectX and operating systems are used to provide the standardization needed to be able to actually develop for a large number of PCs at once, however you can't come anywhere close to being able to pull out the full potential like you can when you're working with a specific set of hardware.
If they just started releasing games to be played on whatever system it would make it much more obvious what consoles actually are, terrible cheap ass computers.
A: First off was any content added with this? Im confused who is speaking.connall said:
B: Sony chose to make this personal. Sony began removing advertised features from their new products. Then they removed advertised features from all PS3s, Attempted and failed to prosecute people who tried to restore the functionality of those removed features, then either orchestrated or incited (the truth will never be known on that one)a supposed hack attack, then proceeded to use the hack attack as a glorified upsell of unwanted features, then demanded people who had legally purchase their product submit and yield legal rights and in the process are still to this day holding legally bought and paid for content hostage until submission of voluntary compliance. And beyond that, they set the precedent of doing so that is slowly making the rounds across all major gaming platforms.
All of which (with the exception of being prosecuted) has effected me personally as I sit here with my neutered non backwards compatible fat PS3 that can only do 2/3rds of what it was designed to do and 1/3rd of why I purchased it.
Just exactly how much more invasively personal does Sony have to get before its ok to actually get upset and do something about this?
Consumers are also partly to blame. The majority of 'mainstream' gamers don't want the kind of service Sony offers anymore. People want accessible, cheap, user-friendly entertainment. However, Sony has always specialised in top-of-the-range quality stuff. They're the tortoise to Microsoft and Nintendo's hare. Problem is, people don't want the tortoise.Richard Allen said:
It's similar to the reason why the biggest films of the year are always mindless action flicks. People just prefer instant gratification. It's human nature.
Sony will have to realise this for the next generation, or they're doomed.
This always happens around these times of the year.. More now then before, obviously. I don't understand, why is there such a drought in late spring/summer? Shouldn't companies release games during summer? When people have free time? Instead, all of a sudden in at the end of August till December, there's mega releases of games. I don't know about others, but one, I don't have that much time to play, and second, I don't have that much money to spend. If everything's going at once, wouldn't that bring sales down? Why not break the sales from Fall time into Summer/Fall/Winter?
Captcha: If a friend died, how would you feel?
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Captcha: If a friend died, how would you feel?
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What kind of non-sense is that.... are you kidding? People have shown time and time again that they will pay for quality. Apple proves, that and Samsung (you know the company that sony sold of and is doing stupid well).GenGenners said:
The problem isn't that sony is targeting some high end customer it's that they have made a good high end or cheap device in years... tv's meh, I can find a lg, or samsung of same quality for the same price and on the high end sony tv's are shit compared to others out there. This isn't new, the sony is going to shit meme/situation has been going on since the mid 90's and isn't exactly hidden from the public eye.
Tldr; sony makes shit products on both the high end and low end. sony is willing to screw over a customer if it will make them a few extra bucks. There is no issue with a customers not wanting to pay for quality. The reports show over and over gamers are now in their mid 30's and have more disposable income then ever (minus 3 years ago during the boom plus before the global recession but certainly more then 8 or 9 years ago).
To be fair, despite agreeing Sony are a bunch of pricks if all companies, especially console companies deserved to lose out due to shitting on their consumers we'd have VERY few games to play these days. There are bigger companies that have done worse despite how bad Sony has beenRichard Allen said:
Wow.... Ok. To do this is going to take a LOT of effort. So forewarning.Foolproof said:
The perspective is that of someone who as a teenager saved up for their first Walkman... in Cassette format. The perspective of owning a graveyard full of discmans. Its the perspective of someone who is looking at four different pre surround sound stereo (as in the 3 foot tall speaker kind) components used as powered PC speakers as this is being written. The perspective of someone who started with the Sony Errison GAIT Cellphone and has bought 3 others since. The perspective of someone who has owned at some time or another every console short of the PSPGo and PSPvita. This is a perspective of someone who owns two vehicles and manually installed after market Sony Xplod receivers and speaker systems.
This is NOT the perspective of someone predisposed and determined to hate Sony. If anything there was a foundation of overflowing love for Sony that has justifiably been eroded due to their actions.
Now I underlined a specific thing because it is quite relevant. Standard operating procedure. Thing is Sonys case is a perfect example of this. There was no precedent before Sony decided to demand people give up their rights to access their content. However because people have to this day still done nothing to stop this unlawful power grab, we see four of the most pervasive gaming platforms in modern existence. Sony, MS, Origin, Steam (obviously not all, but four of) who now view this as standard operating procedure.
I point to because of a couple points.
A: it does not matter what the justification was or what was removed. It is the fact that it is a bait and switch by removing advertised features. It would be like going to the doctor for a routine checkup (IE firmware upgrade) and the doctor states that before he can examine you he must remove your Appendix and gall bladder. They are not "vital" features for anyone to live and many people have for whatever reason elected to have those features removed. He demands this even though there is no logical need to remove these features. Then even against your better judgement you agree to allow him to remove these features from you, he tries to convince you while your spread open and under anesthesia to allow him to install an artifical pancreas that constantly monitors your insulin levels. Even though your not a diabetic and it would directly conflict and create redundancy with the actual pancreas you have elsewhere.
B: What is a feature? Basic definition is something offered as a special attraction or generate interest. They were features they advertised to encourage people to buy the product. People considered those features in weighing out the decision to go with a PS3 or alternative product. No matter how you want to look at it, its still a (debatable unintentional) bait and switch and in doing so results in false advertisement as any advertisements still floating around from before the change indicate features that have since been made null and void. And anything that generates no benefit or interest for the customer and only services the ends of the manufacturer is not a feature because it cannot and will not generate special attraction or interest to the product.
And while on features we turn our attention to unwanted features. Playstation Plus ISNT a feature. Its sole purpose for existing is to sell customers things. End of discussion. It does so directly with sales of various PSN games, and the price of admission granting discounts on products, but in no way shape or form is that a reason one would consider buying a Sony product. Playstation Home is an unwanted feature added to try and cash in on Nintendo MIIs. Dont believe me. Go ahead and download and install it (cause essentially no one wastes the hard drive space) and log in and bask in the wonder of an empty, unused world filled with some of the worst looking char customization avatars ever attempted and littered with more NPCs than actual people. Then lets look at something like what youll want to likely point to next. entities such as HuluPlus, Netflix, Pandora Radio (not sure on that one, but what ever alternatives and similar.) Those are not features Sony made. Those are features those individual companies wanted to expand their reach and as such licensed the Sony platform to do so, so sorry, those do not count as Sony deserves no credit for it.
A: it does not matter what the justification was or what was removed. It is the fact that it is a bait and switch by removing advertised features. It would be like going to the doctor for a routine checkup (IE firmware upgrade) and the doctor states that before he can examine you he must remove your Appendix and gall bladder. They are not "vital" features for anyone to live and many people have for whatever reason elected to have those features removed. He demands this even though there is no logical need to remove these features. Then even against your better judgement you agree to allow him to remove these features from you, he tries to convince you while your spread open and under anesthesia to allow him to install an artifical pancreas that constantly monitors your insulin levels. Even though your not a diabetic and it would directly conflict and create redundancy with the actual pancreas you have elsewhere.
B: What is a feature? Basic definition is something offered as a special attraction or generate interest. They were features they advertised to encourage people to buy the product. People considered those features in weighing out the decision to go with a PS3 or alternative product. No matter how you want to look at it, its still a (debatable unintentional) bait and switch and in doing so results in false advertisement as any advertisements still floating around from before the change indicate features that have since been made null and void. And anything that generates no benefit or interest for the customer and only services the ends of the manufacturer is not a feature because it cannot and will not generate special attraction or interest to the product.
And while on features we turn our attention to unwanted features. Playstation Plus ISNT a feature. Its sole purpose for existing is to sell customers things. End of discussion. It does so directly with sales of various PSN games, and the price of admission granting discounts on products, but in no way shape or form is that a reason one would consider buying a Sony product. Playstation Home is an unwanted feature added to try and cash in on Nintendo MIIs. Dont believe me. Go ahead and download and install it (cause essentially no one wastes the hard drive space) and log in and bask in the wonder of an empty, unused world filled with some of the worst looking char customization avatars ever attempted and littered with more NPCs than actual people. Then lets look at something like what youll want to likely point to next. entities such as HuluPlus, Netflix, Pandora Radio (not sure on that one, but what ever alternatives and similar.) Those are not features Sony made. Those are features those individual companies wanted to expand their reach and as such licensed the Sony platform to do so, so sorry, those do not count as Sony deserves no credit for it.
The words escape me here. But I will try.
No.
The operating system issue was not some mere elective chosen at the individuals discretion. It was an ultimatum. Choose which feature you are going to lose. Lose your ability to add your own OS, Or lose your ability to play games in multiplayer for free over our network. Those were BOTH features and Sony decreed that all those who legally bought and paid for their product had to choose which feature they would lose via their compliance or resistance. There was no middle ground and again it is an albeit unintentional, it is still a bait and switch tactic. While to some that choice was viewed as something irrelevant and flippantly made. To others it was closer to having to chose between which of your children would live or die. (over dramatized unintentionally. Sorry. But other metaphors would have less cohesion)
No.
The operating system issue was not some mere elective chosen at the individuals discretion. It was an ultimatum. Choose which feature you are going to lose. Lose your ability to add your own OS, Or lose your ability to play games in multiplayer for free over our network. Those were BOTH features and Sony decreed that all those who legally bought and paid for their product had to choose which feature they would lose via their compliance or resistance. There was no middle ground and again it is an albeit unintentional, it is still a bait and switch tactic. While to some that choice was viewed as something irrelevant and flippantly made. To others it was closer to having to chose between which of your children would live or die. (over dramatized unintentionally. Sorry. But other metaphors would have less cohesion)
So again this is not the perspective of someone who wants to hate Sony just to hate Sony. This is the perspective of someone who has been an adamant long time supporter of Sony for literally decades, but over the course of the last roughly four years has been repeatedly burnt by an organization I have in the past vehemently defended and it is a symptom of the current economic climate where it is not just Sony doing this, but all corporations are slowly pushing their way to conglomeration and potentially paving the way for a future of state corporatism. That is what these little baby steps are doing. You cannot call it a slippery slope because you have literally hundreds of years of precedent to see what has/will happen, and you have modern examples of precedent that confirm the direction it is headed.
That is why I speak out in aneurism inducing walls of text adamantly defending my position on this issue. Its not out of hate for Sony.. It is out of love for freedom of the people to be free from economic tyranny and persecution, which really is what this is quickly becoming.
And you want to know why? Ill tell you why. It is the fault of the parents of this current generation of gamers. You know the gamers of which I speak. The ones who are 25 years old(and younger) and still view themselves as "a kid" This is the generation whos baby boomer and early GenX parents protected and coddled and reassured and told them that everyone is special and that everything should be equal, nice and politically correct. While those values have problems of their own, the real problem is the sheltering/coddling of these adult children entirely too far into their adulthood.
With these sheltered children they spent the formative years of their lives when they should be learning how to make decisions for themselves and facing the consequences of those decisions in a bubble like environment where their needs are provided for but at the expense of not being allowed to properly express or explore their mid teenage adulthood and devoid of proper rights and privileges. With such this generation essentially lacks a proper understanding of the value of property/ownership and it clearly shows because of this coddling they do not exhibit any appreciation for the value of what they spend their money on, How they reward bad behavior monetarily "just because they want it" or even why it is paramount to protect rights at all costs thanks to having lived much of their lives without them. This is why you see the flippant attitude that keeps asking "Why should I care?" Worst part is... its not even their fault.
Read this.. it explains the adverse effects of coddling in more detail than I wish to explain for the purposes of this how and why section. Not to mention interesting elaborations on the false perception this generation is the first be be less intelligent than prior ones.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200703/trashing-teens?page=1
It is the fault of their parents generation who indirectly set the stage for this lack of respect for ownership value, lack of responsibility as well as lack of account ability in the way ones personal choices effect everyone by fostering a perpetual state of demand and supply.
Now because that weakness has been exposed what do you see? You see that generation now finally starting to come into "buying power" absent the needed defensive weapon of protecting their consumer rights, now becoming the dominant force in gamer demographics. With such you have seen clear and decisive moves on the part of many corporations to exploit that weakness and naivete and dupe them into freely giving up freedom before they finally learn better and start protecting it. We see all gamers and all consumers adversely effects thanks to the ignorance, gullibility, and naive thinking exhibited en mass by the ME generation.
Now dont get me wrong. Every generation has its smart individuals. This is a generalization that is becoming very clear about the commonality in behaviors exhibited by GenY. It would not even be a problem if it were not for the nature of capitalism and free markets that demand profit be made by exploiting any weakness that are plausible and the choices of one group of gamers would not adversely effect all consumers. However it is simply not the world we live in, and this generation needs to wake up and realize what kind of world they live in instead of never being properly weened off of that foundation of endless demand and supply without question.
With these sheltered children they spent the formative years of their lives when they should be learning how to make decisions for themselves and facing the consequences of those decisions in a bubble like environment where their needs are provided for but at the expense of not being allowed to properly express or explore their mid teenage adulthood and devoid of proper rights and privileges. With such this generation essentially lacks a proper understanding of the value of property/ownership and it clearly shows because of this coddling they do not exhibit any appreciation for the value of what they spend their money on, How they reward bad behavior monetarily "just because they want it" or even why it is paramount to protect rights at all costs thanks to having lived much of their lives without them. This is why you see the flippant attitude that keeps asking "Why should I care?" Worst part is... its not even their fault.
Read this.. it explains the adverse effects of coddling in more detail than I wish to explain for the purposes of this how and why section. Not to mention interesting elaborations on the false perception this generation is the first be be less intelligent than prior ones.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200703/trashing-teens?page=1
It is the fault of their parents generation who indirectly set the stage for this lack of respect for ownership value, lack of responsibility as well as lack of account ability in the way ones personal choices effect everyone by fostering a perpetual state of demand and supply.
Now because that weakness has been exposed what do you see? You see that generation now finally starting to come into "buying power" absent the needed defensive weapon of protecting their consumer rights, now becoming the dominant force in gamer demographics. With such you have seen clear and decisive moves on the part of many corporations to exploit that weakness and naivete and dupe them into freely giving up freedom before they finally learn better and start protecting it. We see all gamers and all consumers adversely effects thanks to the ignorance, gullibility, and naive thinking exhibited en mass by the ME generation.
Now dont get me wrong. Every generation has its smart individuals. This is a generalization that is becoming very clear about the commonality in behaviors exhibited by GenY. It would not even be a problem if it were not for the nature of capitalism and free markets that demand profit be made by exploiting any weakness that are plausible and the choices of one group of gamers would not adversely effect all consumers. However it is simply not the world we live in, and this generation needs to wake up and realize what kind of world they live in instead of never being properly weened off of that foundation of endless demand and supply without question.
Wonder if this is the same fate as the Wii U will have? You wonder if it will be viable for either Sony or Nintendo to bring out another console. Or will they go the same as Sega or co produce a console together? Sounds unlikely, but i remember when the idea of Sega making games for other platforms was an impossible thought, but it happened.