Sony: We Are an Innovative Company

[Thespian]

Sony still seems to be trying to cover all bases, persuade everyone that's it not just restricted to it's own niche, running around saying "I can do that too"
Sony plays a vital role in the current generation being that reliable old hardware tank, but innovation is not it's job. Kinda wish it could recognize that, and be more self aware as a company.
Besides, being innovative isn't really something you can self-proclaim your way to. It's not like you can just say "Oh btw, I'm innovative" and expect a crowd of admirers to gasp and say "Ohh, I didn't notice, that's wonderful!"

 

[IamSofaKingRaw]

... really?

Sony, I love ya, but you are far from innovative. You take the competitors ideas all the time and make them into your own; not only in the gaming market either. Theres nothing wrong with that, if you can take something and refine it, go ahead and do it. But don't claim to be pioneers. You have helped introduce a lot of nifty things to the general public, but most of those ideas weren't even yours to begin with.

Not all innovation is good either. Look at BluRay; while it is disputeable, I still stick firmly with my opinion that it is inferior to DVD. It holds more data, yes, but its also extremely slow. Having to download games to your hard-drive is a bit of a QQ, but ends up being a deciding factor in my "which console should I get it for?" decision making. Work should be done on making DVD formats better, or something that can hold larger ammounts of data then BluRay; BluRay is just a waste of time, money, and energy to Sony and the consumers.

Also, for my final point... *points at PlayStation Move*

One of your lead executives compared it to the Wii, as well as EVERYONE who has played a demo on it.


I love ya Sony, and you have made some GREAT products... But you're not that innovative. No more so then any other company out there.

Myth 1: Sony copied Nintendos idea and improved on it
They started experimenting with motion controls in the early 2000's. Go on youtube and search it up. Dr. Richards (the creator of the Move) was experimenting with 2 motion controller looking things and the ps2's eyetoy.

Myth 2: Home avatars are a copy of the Wii's Miis
PS Home doesn't have anything to do with Mii's. Its an environment where PS users can socially interact.

Dvd's being superior to bluray discs is outright wrong. Bluray discs have better visual fidelity, audio, holds more content and can play standard dvds, Hd dvds and Bluray quality dvds. Your opinion though.

 

[IamSofaKingRaw]

now, Blue-Ray!?!?! Ha! it's a failure in terms of getting the technology mainstream, it wastes so much space and cost far more than regular DVDs, discs are futile since the introduction of internal Hard drives.

There's a lot wrong with this sentence (not counting the fact that it's a run-on sentence).

I do enough spelling/grammar checking in my own time, this is my free-time so I will do what I like Mr/Mrs Pingieking

Blu-Ray doesn't "waste" space. People who don't utilize them waste space. It's also more expensive than DVDs because it's newer and holds more stuff.

any they wont they utilize them? perhaps the longer developer time that's needed or the the fact the PS3's hardware capabilities are not up to scratch?
anyway, regardless Blu-Ray is not needed and wont be needed for a very long time, thus they have failed.

I love how you see discs as unnecessary with the invention of internal hard drives since internal hard drives are older than discs.

we are talking about Console gaming here....Don't go off-topic.

Perhaps the don't want to make multiplats use up all the space so that the Xbox version wouldn't have 3-4 discs. Also it allows creative devs like the guys behind MGS and Square Enix to not worry about filling up the disc. Technology keeps improving and when the next consoles come forth do you think they will use Dvds? Hell no games might be so detailed and expansive that they could take up all of the disc. plus I hate disc swapping so....yea.

 

[IamSofaKingRaw]

1) Move is an innovation on the PS2's Eyetoy.
2) Blu Ray's an innovation in storage capacity (whether you agree with it's uses thus far, is irrelevant, you don't get to decide what constitutes innovative or not)
3) Home is an innovation on SoE's Second Life
4) The Cell Processor is an innovation on microprocessor technology


People trip over themselves to denounce Sony when they try to talk about their position in the industry. Seems kind of childish and stupid. Don't we _want_ companies taking risks and going in a new direction? Core gamer fanboy's may stomp all over Nintendo for their transgressions, but the fact is the Wii was an innovation (on pre-existing Motion Control tech, that arguably started with other companies), took things in a new direction and was successful.

Personally, I agree, Sony's broken allot of new ground since entering the video games industry. And for the better, imo.

1) No, Move is nothing like the EyeToy. The EyeToy's big draw was that it didn't require a controller. Move does require a controller. The Move is a blatant ripo-... sorry, 'improvement' of Nintendo's Nunchuk system. They can claim that it's based on the EyeToy, but I have two questions: Why is it NOTHING like the EyeToy, and why would they create a new product based on the EyeToy, considering how it was a complete failure.

2) Sony didn't invent the Blu-Ray, they just put it in their consoles. Which could be argued for innovation, I suppose.

3) Home was also a failure, wasn't it? I'm not too versed in Playstation Home, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm incorrect. Last I heard, next to nobody used Home on a regular basis.

4) Granted.

I completely agree that innovation is a vital part of keeping this industry growing, but really? The Move is not an innovation, no matter how you look at it. Sony is very much playing "Me Too!"

At least at this point. In the past they've made some dangerous leaps (I.E. introducing CD-ROM consoles, and adding Blu-Ray (since their machine would have been all but obsolete otherwise)) that have paid off, but Move... making the argument that it's based on the EyeToy is an interesting possibility, however unlikely it is.

I would think that Project Natal, or Milo, or whatever Microsoft is calling their motion gaming platform would be a closer relation to the EyeToy.

WTF? The made a better version of the Eyetoy (PSeye) and added a motion controller with a glowing ball on top so the camera could track it. Please try and tell me Nintendo did that with the Wiimote.

 

[IamSofaKingRaw]

Snip.

Umm the button placement is different, it has a different design, 2 shoulder buttons etc... I don't see any similarities other than the start and select buttons.

 

[Jumplion]

Disregarding Mornelithe's [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.232466-Sony-We-Are-an-Innovative-Company#8172592] to-the-book definition of innovation for a second (though I agree, what a shock), I'd say they do more "innovation" for their games than their hardware.

I mean, any company that still houses Team ICO, even though both their games basically bombed financially, is a company that supports goddamn innovation!

 

[Dexiro]

innovate

to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.
?verb (used with object)

Personally, I agree, Sony's broken allot of new ground since entering the video games industry. And for the better, imo.

Ah well you got me there. By that definition they are pretty innovative, even if some ideas fail completely like the PSP-Go and Home.

Sounds to me like they're desperately clinging on.

PS3 is doing brilliantly at the moment, why would they need to be clinging on? ^_^

 

[Zer_]

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I'm sorry, what?

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And no, having innovative games on the PS3 only means that the 3rd party (read: NOT SONY) developers are innovating.

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[Jumplion]

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I'm sorry, what?

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

And no, having innovative games on the PS3 only means that the 3rd party (read: NOT SONY) developers are innovating.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

I direct you to Mornelithe's post. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.232466-Sony-We-Are-an-Innovative-Company#8172592]

 

[mad825]

Of the numerous articles out there about it, here's one.

http://n4g.com/news/178585/quakecon-carmack-dishes-dirt-on-sony-and-microsoft

MS Charges more for games on multiple discs.

irrelevant, this is cause by external factors and more of the "gaming policies" stench about it.

There was no need for DVD sized discs in gaming, when it came out. And look at where we are now. I really just don't get your argument, I mean, are you really complaining that developers have 4-5x the storage space to deal with, on Blu Ray? Why, exactly? Consumers don't foot the bill for the extra costs of a Blu Ray disc. So, how exactly does this effect you?

EDIT: By the way, given the 360 has 3 cores, the PS3 has 6, that's a pretty lame argument also. But, I'll bite, the reason you want more cores, is more processing power for game engines to draw from. Quite simple actually. Here's an example, GTAIV utilizes 3 cores for most of the games engine, and uses the 4th for Physics processing. Of course, this requires developers to create multi-core engines, which are becoming more and more common as Dual/Quad Core CPU's become the norm. The point though, is more performance, as always.

I'm not complaining about anything, I'm just stating the fact it's not mainstream, I have no negative or positive agenda about it.

and I know and dont care. I was talking about PC gaming, GTA IV was special which ironically did nothing special at all.

Again, opinion, you may not be able to take care of your property, but others certainly are. Claim it's a wise investment all you like, but everyday people don't have 1200-1500 to drop on a single harddrive. Eventually, just like Blu Ray, SSD prices will come down dramatically and it will become far more logical and justifiable for people to purchase, over optical storage alternatives, but right now, 500g for 1200 bucks is retarded.

Disc: crack,smash,scratch,melt and degrade
SSD drive (modified): EI

If you got the money, it well worth it otherwise it's down to personal preferences (like you've stated)

I've been asking myself what the hell you've been arguing for quite awhile now, and I still have no idea. Blu Ray is as special as DVD's were when they replaced CD's, not everyone was sold on the idea that we needed that much space, but viola, look at us now. The point of this argument is Blu Ray is certainly an innovation on preexisting optical laser technology. The fact that you argued against it is just plain astounding.

you misunderstand.
If I cannot judge technology by it's main factors:
*cost
*reliability
*efficiently
*effectiveness
then this argument is over.

Blue-ray has never been an innovation, HVDs are an innovation.

 

[Siberian Relic]

A while ago I watched a video from MovieBob's gaming blog "The game overthinker" where he analizes Sony's big succeses in the console market arguing that their biggest advantage in the last two generations lied in their oppononents mistakes, rather than their capacity for innovation.
Bob is kind of too nintendo-infatuated for his own good but the video itself is very well done. I encourage you to watch it.

He's a self-professed Nintendo fanatic, to be sure, but he also called out Nintendo for its major, major faults in that instance. For however MovieBob bashed Sony, he bashed Nintendo to what I felt was an equal degree.

 

[Tom Phoenix]

Well, they're trying at least. And even succeed every now and then. Which is certainly more than what Microsoft and/or Nintendo can hope for.

Are you saying that Nintendo hasn't suceeded in their innovation?
What about:

Shoulder buttons,
Analogue sticks,
Vibration in controllers,
Motion controls.

All of these devices (apart from the recent motion control) have been commonplace within gaming and are now standard.

Look at your controller of choice and think that without Nintendo half of those features wouldn't be there

Perhaps in the past, but they don't seem to have the same motivation these days.

Exactly. That perfectly explains the Wii motion controls, the DS touch screen and the 3DS autostereoscopic display......Wait.

I am sorry, but if anything, Nintendo has introduced more innovations to gaming nowadays than they ever did in their previous years.

 

[GeneticallyModifiedDucks]

Well, they're trying at least. And even succeed every now and then. Which is certainly more than what Microsoft and/or Nintendo can hope for.

Are you saying that Nintendo hasn't suceeded in their innovation?
What about:

Shoulder buttons,
Analogue sticks,
Vibration in controllers,
Motion controls.

All of these devices (apart from the recent motion control) have been commonplace within gaming and are now standard.

Look at your controller of choice and think that without Nintendo half of those features wouldn't be there

Perhaps in the past, but they don't seem to have the same motivation these days.

Exactly. That perfectly explains the Wii motion controls, the DS touch screen and the 3DS autostereoscopic display......Wait.

I am sorry, but if anything, Nintendo has introduced more innovations to gaming nowadays than they ever did in their previous years.

Wow, people are quoting me a lot on that. OK then, let's paraphrase.

I'm not denying they have done a lot in the hardware front. More than anyone else. But my question is this: What exactly have they brought new when it comes to actual games?

Their hardware is new and exciting, but they never make the most of it. 3rd party developers are making the most of both the Wii and the DS. And I'm pretty sure that 3rd parties are going to make the most of the 3DS as well. Nintendo hasn't introduced a new IP in decades and the last big advance any of their existing ones did was back in 1996 when they made the jump to 3D with the N64. Sony is doing much more than Nintendo in the software front.