Spanking

[Tron-tonian]

My own parents only ever had to spank myself or my brothers ~5 times(likely less) each. Each time was for a "You dun messed up but GOOD!" type of screwup. Like when my little brother was playing with matches in the house, and storing the evidence under his bed.

For my own 3 year old, I've given her a little ass-smack a couple times - both when she was told not to do something that physically hurt me (bit me, kicked me). She quickly stopped such behavior.

 

[PDeverit]

Only suitable for minors?:

Schoolchildrens' "spanking" related injuries (WARNING - These images may be deeply disturbing to some viewers. Do not open this page if children are present).
http://www.nospank.net/injuredkids.pdf

Reasonable and moderate? You decide.
(WARNING - This sound recording may be deeply disturbing to some listeners. Do not open this file if children are within listening range).
http://nospank.net/prj-006.wav

 

[PDeverit]

Only suitable for minors?:

People used to think it was necessary to "spank" adult members of the community, college students, military trainees, and prisoners. In some countries they still do. In our country, it is considered sexual battery if a person over the age of 18 is "spanked", but only if over the age of 18.

For one thing, because the buttocks are so close to the anal region, sex organs, and so multiply linked to sexual nerve centers, striking them can trigger powerful and involuntary sexual stimulus in some people. There are numerous physiological ways in which it can be intentionally or unintentionally sexually abusive, but I won't list them all here. One can read the testimony, documentation, and educational resources available from the website of Parents and Teachers Against Violence In Education at www.nospank.net

Child bottom-battering vs. DISCIPLINE:

Child bottom-battering (euphemistically labeled "spanking","swatting","switching","smacking", "paddling",or other cute-sounding names) for the purpose of gaining compliance is nothing more than an inherited bad habit.

Its a good idea for people to take a look at what they are doing, and learn how to DISCIPLINE instead of hit.

There are several reasons why child bottom-battering isn't a good idea. Here are some good, quick reads recommended by professionals:

Plain Talk About Spanking
by Jordan Riak
http://www.nospank.net/pt2010.pdf

The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children
by Tom Johnson
http://nospank.net/sdsc2.pdf

NO VITAL ORGANS THERE, So They Say
by Lesli Taylor MD and Adah Maurer PhD
http://nospank.net/taylor.htm

Just a handful of those helping to raise awareness of why child bottom-battering isn't a good idea:

American Academy of Pediatrics,
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry,
American Psychological Association,
Center For Effective Discipline,
Churches' Network For Non-Violence,
Nobel Peace Prize recipient Archbishop Desmond Tutu,
Parenting In Jesus' Footsteps,
Global Initiative To End All Corporal Punishment of Children,
United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child.

In 31 nations, child corporal punishment is prohibited by law (with more in process). In fact, the US was the only UN member that did not ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The US also has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

The US states with the highest crime rates and the poorest academic performance are also the ones with the highest rates of child corporal punishment.

There is simply no evidence to suggest that child bottom-battering instills virtue.

 

[SadakoMoose]

The theories of Alive Miller are all I really need here, but I prefer my own bastardization...
It doesn't ACTUALLY teach them anything...Children are more complex than dogs, and therefore operant conditioning just won't work. All you're telling them is:
"The people that happen to provide both food and usually love are also capable of harming me, and that's o.k. apparently."
From there, there are a number of ways it could develop:
"Therefore, I can hurt people when they don't obey me."
or
"I cannot trust one (or both) of my parents"
or
"I will fetishize this to the point of mommy and or daddy issues."
Or nothing could happen at all but a few repressed or very unpleasant memories.
It's a crap shoot.
Last time I checked, gambling wasn't any way to raise a child.
Look at England for crying out loud.
Do you know how much fetish porn comes out of that country? Do you?
It's both creepy and staggering...

 

[Nimbus]

If it ever gets to the point where you think a slap is necessary, you've already done something horribly, horribly wrong.

 

[Baradiel]

Spanking means something slightly different in the UK, and would get you some weird looks if you associated it with children...

In all seriousness, I have no problem with it if it's used sparingly. Causing pain should be secondary to the shock of it. When a child gets smacked the shock should be enough to make them realise it was wrong. Beating them to cause pain is slightly sadist.

 

[Woodsey]

Look at England for crying out loud.
Do you know how much fetish porn comes out of that country? Do you?
It's both creepy and staggering...

That's a rather spectacular leap; and all the fetish stuff that I've browsed past on my way to the normal porn :shifty eyes: has been from America.

That's a spectacular leap of logic.

I was only spanked once as a child and one of my mother's friends talkd her that she was being a bad mother by not spanking me. Currently I am at the top of my class at a private school and on the 2nd line on my hockey team. This friend of my mother's friends kids are drug addicts and criminals.

Hardly conclusive - and going to a private school has nothing to do with it.

OT: I was only ever "smacked" (spanked just sounds kinky) once or twice, and the other few times the threat of it did the trick.

There's no need to beat them until they're bruised for crying out loud (that's how they catch you out after all...), but I don't think a smack (or lack thereof) has any real affect either way. Different kids will respond differently.