Spartan Vs Astartes

[Loop Stricken]

Why don't i get these Astartes in Dawn of war 2?

Heh. See what you did there, I.

The problem with comparing DoW2 with any scenario in this thread is everything in the 40k'verse is so much more powerful than a Halo Spartan.

And all shall fall beneath the emperors mercy. at least until his throne breaks and he dies xD

At which point he becomes a god.

GLHF.

 

[CastIronWin]

if you've read through the novels for both series then you would probably know that physically the spartans and space marines go through pretty similar processes to make them super human and at the end of it are probably fairly equal in physical prowess (in one of the hell jumper comic a child indoctrinated into the spartan program kills a veteran hell jumper with a single punch).

the main difference is the vast gulf in the tech that both bring to the table. the space marine has thousands of years of evolved technology and advancements on the spartan. his boltgun could rip through the Mk6 like it was tissue paper while the assault rifle would bounce off the power armour.

a boxing match between the two of them would be a closer fight, unless it occured in the vacuum of space, then the space marine would probably have the edge.

 

[Nouw]

A rather pointless thread if you will. A Space Marine has far more combat experience, more advanced technologies and superior in nearly every way which everyone else lovingly pointed out.

Comparing the best soldiers from 2 very different time periods is unfair.

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Didn't Spartans get trained since they were 6? Nevertheless, Space Marines go through far more vigorous training and they live for hundreds of years so I think they have more experience.

These threads are pointless because the 40K universe is designed to be insanely over the top.

There, you have your /thread.

EDIT:Man this thread is fucking hilarious, there have been so many hilarious posts. When will a Mod lock this thread up? It was broken from the start you know!

 

[Shadesong]

It seems a lot of people arguing in a Spartan's favour are using either his shields or his dexterity (or both) as the reason he'd win.

Let's tackle his shields first. So Spartans have personal energy shield, that in no way, shape or form has ever blocked a direct rocket to the face. Boltguns fire the appropriately named bolts at a rather fast rate and, quoting from the Lexicanum here, "The bolt is more a miniature explosive rocket than a conventional bullet." This pretty much removes the shield argument.

Now a Spartan's dexterity. I'm assuming most of the people who've used this as an argument have googled 'Space Marine', looked at the armour and thought 'Aha, they have big armour but they must be slow as sin.' I'm also assuming these people know nothing of 40k. As has been so commonly stated in this thread, whatever a Space Marine can do out of his armour, he can do in his armour and better; it is in no way a hindrance for a Space Marine.

Of course the huge flaw in all of this is comparing anything to Space Marines, they were made to be so incredibly OTT, everything in the 40k universe is; I mean for the love of christ just look!

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This is more apt to comparing a toothpick to a claymore. Sure you can kill someone with a toothpick, but it's never going to compare to a claymore in terms of killing, now is it?

 

[UberMore]

Why don't i get these Astartes in Dawn of war 2?

Heh. See what you did there, I.

The problem with comparing DoW2 with any scenario in this thread is everything in the 40k'verse is so much more powerful than a Halo Spartan.

And all shall fall beneath the emperors mercy. at least until his throne breaks and he dies xD

At which point he becomes a god.

GLHF.

He's already a God, just without status haha.
He' strong enough to have survived inside the Warp with all 4 Chaos Gods trying to kill him non-stop for 10,000 years, and STILL drive the Astronomicon.
The God-Emperor by name, God-Emperor by nature.

 

[MrJKapowey]

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First thing to say is that the Space Marines are very human, just genetically modified (Again, a lot of people apparently haven't read any of the Space Marine backstories..) And so what if Master Chief could fire his assault rifle and move? The Space Marines would literally just laugh at him as the low caliber bullets (Remember, these rifles can be fired by a UNSC Marine. If a Guardsman took a Space Marine's bolter and fired it, it would break is arm) were repelled by their armor. Sure, the Energy Sword would destroy a Chainsword, but how would he even get close? A Space Marine is a deadeye shot, firing with a boltgun that literally explodes after penetrating the body in order to do the most damage.

Also:

His shield takes almost the brunt of an airstrike during training, he's hurt and it has collapsed but it saves his life and he goes on to punch the next one out of the way (Inv Sv - 4).

The Chief was severely wounded when this happened, I'm pretty sure he had several broken ribs and broken legs? Something like that. Either way, the Chief didn't make any sort of save. He took wounds. A Space Marine could take that air strike with his armor save.

In addition, it's laughable that you say the Space Marines are dishonourable. The only way that happens is if they are corrupted by Chaos, which happens extremely rarely. The Space Marines are the most disciplined, courageous, and by far the most devoted to their cause.

I also chuckle at your Imperial Guard prejudice. The Guard - at least most - are a bunch of cowards. The only ones with a backbone are the Cadians. If a Guardsman saw what a Space Marine has, they would either run, or just go completely nutters.

Have you even read any of the codices?

And so what if Master Chief could fire his assault rifle and move?

This is assuming it will be played out on tabletop - where a laspistol can kill a battle brother.

(Remember, these rifles can be fired by a UNSC Marine. If a Guardsman took a Space Marine's bolter and fired it, it would break is arm)

I think not, I remember that in one IG codex it states that officers can be given bolt weapons, I know Arbites can too (I hope...) and they suffer no ill effects.

Okay - now reading from the second latest codex:
Commissar Yarrick - Storm-Bolter, master crafted
Colonel-Commissar Gaunt - Bolt pistol
Lieutenant Kage - Bolt pistol
'Officers Armoury' - Bolt pistol, Bolt gun, Storm-Bolter

His shield takes almost the brunt of an airstrike during training, he's hurt and it has collapsed but it saves his life and he goes on to punch the next one out of the way (Inv Sv - 4).

The Chief was severely wounded when this happened, I'm pretty sure he had several broken ribs and broken legs? Something like that. Either way, the Chief didn't make any sort of save. He took wounds. A Space Marine could take that air strike with his armor save.

Yeah, of course - armour of 3 can take on an airstrike, it's at least Krak missile, probably closer to battle cannon in strength.

In addition, it's laughable that you say the Space Marines are dishonourable. The only way that happens is if they are corrupted by Chaos, which happens extremely rarely. The Space Marines are the most disciplined, courageous, and by far the most devoted to their cause.

Didn't one chapter (Dark Angels) abandon the flank of the Space Wolves in an assault on somewhere so they could charge in and get a better kill count? I believed it was bad form to leave your allotted positions in a battle line - especially if friendlies die because of your blunder. And I thought that the Grey Knights (a Space Marine chapter) had all non-SM survivors of the first war for Armageddon olaced in concentration camps until death (Space Wolves most displeased).

...disciplined...

Space Wolves, just Space Wolves.

The Guard - at least most - are a bunch of cowards. The only ones with a backbone are the Cadians. If a Guardsman saw what a Space Marine has, they would either run, or just go completely nutters.

Gaunt and his (named) men along with Cain, they aren't nuts yet. Oh sorry, I forgot: 'all non-Cadians are cowards'.

I must say...

Have you even read any of the codices?

What about the Valhallans, Steel Legions, Death Korps, Tanith First and Only, Tallarns, Harakoni Warhawks, Mordian Iron Guard, Catachan Jungle Fighters, Elysian Drop Troops, the men who fought with the Space Wolves on Armageddon, Terrax Guard...

The list goes on.

Thats all I can reply at the moment as my current gen SM, SW and IG codices are with a friend and I can only use my (4th gen?) old IG codex.