Speculations: How will fox news react to Mass Effect 3?

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

Considering there's a presidential election to cover, I seriously doubt they will even talk about it.

Also, I really could give two shits what they or any other outlet has to say about Mass Effect 3.

 

[Fawcks]

And I would say that their defining charactistic would be the fact that they look like an animal. Ergo, no. It's not "legit"

Humans look as much like apes as Kahjits look like animals.

Aside from similar facial structures, tails, and fur, Kahjits appear more like humans to me than say, a mountain lion.

Also, you do realize that according to the definition you posted earlier, human x elf sex is barred too? They're certainly not human, and your definition was "Zoophilia, from the Greek æῷïí (zṓion, "animal") and öéëßá (philia, "friendship" or "love"), also known as zoosexuality, is the practice of sex between humans and non-human animals (bestiality), or a preference or fixation on such practice".

Elves are non-humans, but something tells me you'd be okay with that.

This is seriously remniscent of gay marriage controversy, or, previously, interracial relationship controversy.

 

[w9496]

WHY THE HELL DO YOU GUYS CARE?

They didn't say shit about Mass Effect 2, and I doubt their going to give a flying fig about it this time around.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

And I would say that their defining charactistic would be the fact that they look like an animal. Ergo, no. It's not "legit"

Humans look as much like apes as Kahjits look like animals.

Aside from similar facial structures, tails, and fur, Kahjits appear more like humans to me than say, a mountain lion.

Also, you do realize that according to the definition you posted earlier, human x elf sex is barred too? They're certainly not human, and your definition was "Zoophilia, from the Greek æῷïí (zṓion, "animal") and öéëßá (philia, "friendship" or "love"), also known as zoosexuality, is the practice of sex between humans and non-human animals (bestiality), or a preference or fixation on such practice".

Elves are non-humans, but something tells me you'd be okay with that.

This is seriously remniscent of gay marriage controversy, or, previously, interracial relationship controversy.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I mearly was saying that under the strictest definition of the word, you were incorrect.

Secondly, I'd like to quote/paraphrase my good friend on the matter

I think it's actually an incredibly mainstream position. We all recognize that there are forms of sex, and styles of sexual relationships, that are either gross, immoral, dangerous, or socially destructive. Somewhere, a line in the sand has to be drawn, and legal and social discriminations imposed.

Now, most of us have concluded that same-sex relationships are within the boundaries of acceptability, because there's obviously a huge abundance of evidence that suggests gay and lesbian relationships are consensual and harmless, as well as generally loving, monogamous, stable, and all the other positive adjectives we associate with happy, productive families. And most of us similarly conclude that polygamy, bestiality, and pedophilia are not acceptable because they don't meet the same criteria for reasons that I hope are obvious.

I basically use the exact same line of reasoning, except I draw my line in the sand way, way earlier and say nothing beyond certain acts moral. I'd say this reflects a great deal on my personality, but I?m still arguing within a logical framework most of us use and support.

Thirdly, the idea of "Lizard person on cat man" sex is odd. No matter what way you put it

 

[ThunderCavalier]

It's Fox.

Better question: What AREN'T they going to say is from the Devil and is corrupting today's youth?

 

[Bluntman1138]

Also, I can quote things too:

bes·ti·al·i·ty

noun /ˌbēsCHēˈalitē/  /ˌbes-/ 

1. Savagely cruel or depraved behavior

2. Sexual intercourse between a person and an animal

I would call an Argonian / Kahjit a person, as opposed to an animal. Therefore, go me, it's legit.

And I would say that their defining charactistic would be the fact that they look like an animal. Ergo, no. It's not "legit"[/quote]

Consent between two adults makes everything (nearly everything?) OK.

Legally? I wouldn't argue otherwise

Ethicaly? No. Sorry.

Also, I can quote things too:

bes·ti·al·i·ty

noun /ˌbēsCHēˈalitē/  /ˌbes-/ 

1. Savagely cruel or depraved behavior

2. Sexual intercourse between a person and an animal

I would call an Argonian / Kahjit a person, as opposed to an animal. Therefore, go me, it's legit.

And I would say that their defining charactistic would be the fact that they look like an animal. Ergo, no. It's not "legit"

Well, considering it is a GAME, and NO ONE IS HUMAN OR NON HUMAN, just pixels. This whole debate is a moot point.

 

[Seishisha]

It's Fox.

Better question: What AREN'T they going to say is from the Devil and is corrupting today's youth?

The Bible and possibly fox news?

Anyway i reckon if they say anything at all it'll just be the useual unfounded nonsense about it being immoral for a game to show such things, when ofcourse tv films and books do it at the same time and get a free pass, games are just an easy target i guess? As for the youth corruption im sure the game is gonna get a teen rating at the very least because of the relative violence anyway so thats kinda hard to argue.

 

[Gearhead mk2]

The usual Fox formula: They scream about something and says its the bane of all life, Bush's family beleives them, everyone else points at the first two parties at laughs at their stupidity. ME3 will be no different.

 

[burningdragoon]

One could argue that an exception could be made in those cases.

What about Orcs? Are they "people" enough for it to be "more acceptable" than Argonian and Kahjit?

My different world point, was that we live in a world where Orcs sentient lizard and cat people don't exist. So of course it will be weird for most people to consider orc/lizard/cat people as legitimate partners. I certainly wouldn't want to have sex with one. But Tamriel is a world where these people do exist as people and not animals. Sure there's racism, but we have racism too.

And speaking of race: when you select a character it asks you to pick your race. Race the same way that we use white, black, etc.

Basically, you can't reasonably apply Earth terms to Tamriel because Earth is not Tamriel. And in the Elder Scrolls universe, Argonians, Orcs, and Kahjit are people and it is not bestiality.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

One could argue that an exception could be made in those cases.

What about Orcs? Are they "people" enough for it to be "more acceptable" than Argonian and Kahjit?

My different world point, was that we live in a world where Orcs sentient lizard and cat people don't exist. So of course it will be weird for most people to consider orc/lizard/cat people as legitimate partners. I certainly wouldn't want to have sex with one. But Tamriel is a world where these people do exist as people and not animals. Sure there's racism, but we have racism too.

And speaking of race: when you select a character it asks you to pick your race. Race the same way that we use white, black, etc.

Basically, you can't reasonably apply Earth terms to Tamriel because Earth is not Tamriel. And in the Elder Scrolls universe, Argonians, Orcs, and Kahjit are people and it is not bestiality.

A fair point. You are correct. The only reason I was arguing is that I felt pulled to this as a debate.

However, I still think it's weird. I'm sorry, but it just is to me.

 

[burningdragoon]

One could argue that an exception could be made in those cases.

What about Orcs? Are they "people" enough for it to be "more acceptable" than Argonian and Kahjit?

My different world point, was that we live in a world where Orcs sentient lizard and cat people don't exist. So of course it will be weird for most people to consider orc/lizard/cat people as legitimate partners. I certainly wouldn't want to have sex with one. But Tamriel is a world where these people do exist as people and not animals. Sure there's racism, but we have racism too.

And speaking of race: when you select a character it asks you to pick your race. Race the same way that we use white, black, etc.

Basically, you can't reasonably apply Earth terms to Tamriel because Earth is not Tamriel. And in the Elder Scrolls universe, Argonians, Orcs, and Kahjit are people and it is not bestiality.

A fair point. You are correct. The only reason I was arguing is that I felt pulled to this as a debate.

However, I still think it's weird. I'm sorry, but it just is to me.

Oh don't get me wrong, I think it's weird too. More or less in the same way that I think having sex with another dude would be weird. Because I'm not into dudes, so of course it would be weird.

Edit: and in the same way I think wearing excessively baggy or excessively tight clothing is weird. (to make it clear I'm not just talking about sex)

 

[Fawcks]

Thirdly, the idea of "Lizard person on cat man" sex is odd. No matter what way you put it

Maybe to you. I disagree. I think anything between two consenting adults is fine.

As your friend said, "same sex relationships are acceptable because consent, they're generally loving, monogamous (why does this matter, anyway?), etc". So what's different here? Is the lizard person secretly abusing the cat person or what?

Two consenting adults basically can do anything they want together, in my books. Trying to restrict "love" has gone on for too long as it is. "Love can only exist between a man and a woman", no, that's wrong. "Love can only exist within the same race", again, that's wrong too.

I don't see why people like you feel the need to don your white Knight's armor and "defend society" so you can say "you people are immoral, gross, and wrong because I don't agree with you".

Again, this is somewhat personal to me because it really does remind me of the same anti-gay rhethoric I've heard for a good portion of my adolescent life.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Thirdly, the idea of "Lizard person on cat man" sex is odd. No matter what way you put it

Maybe to you. I disagree. I think anything between two consenting adults is fine.

As your friend said, "same sex relationships are acceptable because consent, they're generally loving, monogamous (why does this matter, anyway?), etc". So what's different here? Is the lizard person secretly abusing the cat person or what?

Two consenting adults basically can do anything they want together, in my books. Trying to restrict "love" has gone on for too long as it is. "Love can only exist between a man and a woman", no, that's wrong. "Love can only exist within the same race", again, that's wrong too.

I don't see why people like you feel the need to don your white Knight's armor and "defend society" so you can say "you people are immoral, gross, and wrong because I don't agree with you".

Again, this is somewhat personal to me because it really does remind me of the same anti-gay rhethoric I've heard for a good portion of my adolescent life.

And I'd say it's fine as well. Legally, that is. Again, it comes down to a matter of ethics for me. And I'm a prude.

It's also a question of weither or not we are to apply in-game world logic to it, or real world logic. If the former: Fine. If the latter (Which I was doing) not so much.

I find this weird in the same way I find the furry fetish itself to be weird.

EDIT: I'm a bit of a prude. I'll never try to clame otherwise, dear reader.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

I have a feeling that Mass Effect 3 is going to go under their radar. I mean, they have Skyrim to pick on about being able to be gay and committing bestiality. I don't know. Whatever they say, I won't watch it anyway.

is it just me that finds it funny that the game is called "skyrim" and has flying animals and allows the player to commit beastiality

I'm thinking Skyrim will be the bigger target of course there's also Saint's Row 3 too keep an eye on since that game takes place on the corner of Wacky and, Batfuck. Now that I think about it, didn't Fox more-or-less ignore Dragon Age 2? There weren't any beast-men classes in Dragon Age 2...or one that I think about it...are their beast-people in Dragon Age...iverse?

Anyway, they skipped DA2 which was RAMPANT with the homosexual advances of EVERY same-sex member of my party (I only played as a male...maybe I should try again as a woman). Ironically, Varric didn't hit on me which is lame since I love the Dwarves of the Dragon Age-iverse.

I don't know...I don't see Fox News attacking Mass Effect 3 but I can see why they might want to. We'll either have to wait-n-see or, someone needs to get busy YTPing a ME3 vid that Fox won't be able to ignore.

 

[Agarth]

Fox news is just going to do the same stupid stuff they usually do. I mean, they don't even play the game before demonizing it. Even if they brought the head director of Mass Effect 3 all they would do is not even let him talk. Then they'll cut him off right as he gets to actually defend the game. Then they'll say something to rap it all up like, "There you have it. Mass Effect 3 converting people to a homosexual, polygamist life style." And then the gamer community will carpet bomb Fox News studios. And of corse Fox will be the ones that are actually damaging the minds of innocence by show clips of the sex scene. Way to go, dicks.

 

[Stall]

I think ME3 will fly under the radar. I don't think SR3 will be so luck though, seeing as it has a dildo bat. Personally, this is going to be my melee weapon of choice, but FOX News probably won't see the stunningly glorious, immature humor in it all.

I know what you are saying, but chances are they won't allow relationships with characters like that anyway in case its interpreted as beastiality. The Planet of the Apes movie with Mark Walberg had the same dilemma with one of the female apes. They wanted a hint of a romantic subplot but the potential beastiality aspect of it, knocked the idea on the head.

No, it's not bestiality since bestiality is defined as the sexual relationbetween a human and a lower animal. Argonians and Khajitis are PEOPLE... they are NOT lesser animals. Even further, how this this a question of ethics? Argonians and Khajitis are as intelligent as humans, and fully sentient. This means they CAN CONSENT. If you think the concept is funny, then fine, but it isn't philosophically correct to say it is somehow "not ethical" nor call it bestiality.

Why is the concept of a "dictionary" so foreign to people?

 

[WashingtonGallows]

Thirdly, the idea of "Lizard person on cat man" sex is odd. No matter what way you put it

Maybe to you. I disagree. I think anything between two consenting adults is fine.

As your friend said, "same sex relationships are acceptable because consent, they're generally loving, monogamous (why does this matter, anyway?), etc". So what's different here? Is the lizard person secretly abusing the cat person or what?

Two consenting adults basically can do anything they want together, in my books. Trying to restrict "love" has gone on for too long as it is. "Love can only exist between a man and a woman", no, that's wrong. "Love can only exist within the same race", again, that's wrong too.

I don't see why people like you feel the need to don your white Knight's armor and "defend society" so you can say "you people are immoral, gross, and wrong because I don't agree with you".

Again, this is somewhat personal to me because it really does remind me of the same anti-gay rhethoric I've heard for a good portion of my adolescent life.

And I'd say it's fine as well. Legally, that is. Again, it comes down to a matter of ethics for me. And I'm a prude.

It's also a question of weither or not we are to apply in-game world logic to it, or real world logic. If the former: Fine. If the latter (Which I was doing) not so much.

I find this weird in the same way I find the furry fetish itself to be weird.

EDIT: I'm a bit of a prude. I'll never try to clame otherwise, dear reader.

The argument I've seen so far hasn't been about what is weird, or disgusting and your personal opinions of what is disgusting, and whats not doesn't really add to the discussion.
I'm sure there's something everyone here would dislike the thought of that is totally ok legally and morally.
So to that, I'll say just looking at the criteria we've seen so far as morally ok, Sentience (established in Kahjit and Argonians) Consent (amused) and and Adulthood (lets amuse this to).
Do you think sex with large women is gross? Or sex on the beach? Or sex with whip cream? Or role playing?
Everything you think is "weird" is just preference. And its both a little sad and very not helpful to hear anyone just disregard something they don't enjoy as wrong or weird.

 

[zombiestrangler]

They'll call it the devil, making no effort to properly research or give a balanced viewpoint, and we will all ignore them and play it anyway.

 

[Xaositect]

Id be surprised if they really had anything to cry about other than some lovey dovey gay chatting. I expect all of Mass Effect 3s romance scenes to be tame as fuck.

Dont get me wrong, Im not one of those types crying out to see Liaras bare arse again just for the sake of it (though it would be awesome). I just think that ME1 handled the "nudity" so brilliantly and maturely. It was the same treatment Id expect in any properly rated film. If they did the same in Mass Effect 3 Id be thrilled to bits. Mass Effects romances have had many problems so far, as much as Im a fan of the Liara romance (though Im ashamed to admit it, given the type of Liara, Tali and Garrus fans in particular etc), but one thing that was especially good was the ME1 romance scene.

Having scenes like in LotSB is great from an emotional point of view, but when you skip it (portrayal of any kind of sex) so obviously like it did its almost as bad as portraying blatant and obvious nudity and sex.

I would like all romances in ME3 to go back to the kind of portrayal from ME1. Sadly, I expect all ME3 romances to just be tame "loving looks" and "romantic words", ESPECIALLY the homosexual male romance/s.

Theres nothing wrong with that per se. Just I dont think there is a lot right about it either. Just safe. So so. You can hardly say its pushing the envelope in emotional video game storytelling if it wont treat the same path similar films do or even Mass Effect 1 did.

Edit: Remember, Im pretty sure that they let DAOs ridiculous gay dry humping go by without much fuss (cant speak for DAIIs bisexual romances as I havent seen them). I doubt ME3s romance scene will be anywhere near as raunchy as that. Hopefully not as tacky either, so its at least something of a trade off.