Spreading Atheism
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Let's read the OP instead of guessing.scotth266 said:
"On campus we have an old war cannon which is cemented to the ground in the center of campus and it is tradition for the various clubs and organizations on campus to paint it to advertise what their group is all about"
-- Alex
yes as much as they may deny it and also advertising for atheism is kind of against your beliefs right i thought you took a "whatever" or "I don't think about it" approach that i just don't under stand but if you really want to advertise i say okay but defacing public property is not a form of advertising its just idiocy (I'm christian by the way) and saying god doesn't exist like that is pretty much saying you are a idiot to well over a billion people. please respond
One big reason why athiests want people to see the error of religion, aka. 'listening to the voice in your head who tells you to burn things' is because they've read the bible and see nothing but a bunch of psychotics with voices in their heads telling them to kill everyone who is not in their tribe or who disagrees with them, and then defining a 'moral' action as whatever the voice tells them to do. Is sacrificing your son on an altar moral? If the voice in your head told you to then of course it is, in fact it would be immoral not to!
The bible reaveals a potential psychotic timebomb ticking in every religious mind, and some see it as neccessary for the greater good to explain that this is all madness before any more of this repeats itself.
The bible reaveals a potential psychotic timebomb ticking in every religious mind, and some see it as neccessary for the greater good to explain that this is all madness before any more of this repeats itself.
In that case, I'm going to guess that it was for the reason that gerrymander listed. I personally don't see it as being antagonistic myself, but there are people out there who would think otherwise.Alex_P said:
I don't see the point of clubs dedicated to a specific philosophy, really. At least with a general philosophy club you'd have a reason to talk about the benefits/drawbacks of your philosophy with followers of other philosophies.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
You like holding grudges, don't you? I've left you alone this entire time, at Wilson's request. Yet you specifically pick me out to accuse me of trolling again. Sounds like someone is a little sore.
You know how Dawkins introduced the slogan with his bus campaign? They had to put in 'probably' to meet the Advertising Standards Authority's demands, they ASA was later asked to rule on the probability of god.ZeroMachine said:... Wait.
Athiests. "Probably no God."
Eh... I'm trying to figure this out, but...
Probably? Don't athiests say "there is definitely no God"? Methinks those guys need to rethink the name of their little club
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7818980.stm
Anyway, I think that it doesn't really matter. Yeah it's a bit unfair but so are a lot of things.
This is the problem I have with most atheists. Not all, mind you. I mean, for the love of god, 80% of my friends are atheists or agnostic. Atheists, especially ones on the internet, seem to only boast a creed that is offensive for the sake of being offensive. I mean, is there really nothing else about atheists except that they don't believe in God? Hell no. In fact, it would be more accurate to say that they embrace the ideology of the progression of an intelligent species to be alone in the struggle of survival and, therefore, skeptical of and not reliant upon any outside source of power.
The point is, they could have put up anything and still wouldn't have been pointing their accusing fingers at one specific religion and it's denominations. If they said, "There is probably no Allah" we would still have the same problem. Same with any other religion they could pick on, though it seems Christianity is the hometown favorite of the atheist scoff.
Imagine if any other religious group did that. Imagine if your university's Christian club wrote, "Everybody else is going to hell," it'd be the same bloody thing. It's not favoritism, you idiot. It's a university's duty to restrict any potentially offensive messages that would paint the campus in a bad light. I don't know why it would be hard for anybody to get this. Act like a prick, and people will have a problem with that. It's simple human nature, so stop feeling sorry for yourselves and actually try to be productive without pissing everybody off.
The point is, they could have put up anything and still wouldn't have been pointing their accusing fingers at one specific religion and it's denominations. If they said, "There is probably no Allah" we would still have the same problem. Same with any other religion they could pick on, though it seems Christianity is the hometown favorite of the atheist scoff.
Imagine if any other religious group did that. Imagine if your university's Christian club wrote, "Everybody else is going to hell," it'd be the same bloody thing. It's not favoritism, you idiot. It's a university's duty to restrict any potentially offensive messages that would paint the campus in a bad light. I don't know why it would be hard for anybody to get this. Act like a prick, and people will have a problem with that. It's simple human nature, so stop feeling sorry for yourselves and actually try to be productive without pissing everybody off.
As I see it, many atheists advertise to try to show it in general. Many people are brought up in families where you are shown there is a god, if you deny it then its wrong, and sometimes they need to be shown a different side. Exactly how it works for why other religions try to convert.sneakypenguin said:
And I do see a problem or two with calling people out on the cannon. I guess I'd be interested to know if theres been any other religious writings on it to create the double standard, or if the school did just get angry because it felt it was targetting people.
And for more on topic, its Canada, so we don't quite have the Constitution to go by.
I believe they were forced to paint over it because to me, it looks like they are trolling by painting that on the cannon.
I have a quick question for the OP:
I know that you said that Christians can advertise on campus with brochures and the like, but have they ever decorated the cannon? I am almost 100% sure that I know which university you're referring to, and the way I understand this tradition is that painting the cannon is a late-night, 'secret' thing (a covert operation, if you will), but that it's not really an official university sanctioned thing. Like, they allow it because it's 'for the students'.
I'm just wondering if the administration painted it over to prevent such a tradition from potentially becoming vandalism, considering the obvious sensitive material (like a back-and-forthing of progressively worse messages [flamewar-style]). It'd be sad if the tradition had to be stopped because the cannon was irreparably damaged. I understand that it has quite the history.
I know that you said that Christians can advertise on campus with brochures and the like, but have they ever decorated the cannon? I am almost 100% sure that I know which university you're referring to, and the way I understand this tradition is that painting the cannon is a late-night, 'secret' thing (a covert operation, if you will
), but that it's not really an official university sanctioned thing. Like, they allow it because it's 'for the students'. I'm just wondering if the administration painted it over to prevent such a tradition from potentially becoming vandalism, considering the obvious sensitive material (like a back-and-forthing of progressively worse messages [flamewar-style]). It'd be sad if the tradition had to be stopped because the cannon was irreparably damaged. I understand that it has quite the history.
(Reminder -- me: atheist, existentialist, blah blah, okay, let's get started...)gerrymander61 said:
Damn straight I want to recruit people to my way of thinking. Why shouldn't I, if I trust myself?
Now, that doesn't actually mean atheism, because believing or not believing in God is rather trivial compared to developing the theory of knowledge and philosophy of mind needed to deeply scrutinize your own thoughts, assumptions, and beliefs. Regardless of culture or religious affiliation, the ability to really understand how you think and why you think what you think is essential to being a good human being. And I see an appalling deficit of that all around me -- nobody does it perfectly, of course, but loads of people seem to be nearly incapable of doing it all (more for want of experience and education than want of natural ability).(*)
To reiterate: if you think you've actually found a "way of thinking" that works for you, why shouldn't you be telling other people all about it?
-- Alex
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* - I think some of those pop-atheist writers condemning "religious thinking" are really going on and on about what I said above; they're just butchering the terminology or committing massive category error as they do so, so their words come out fitting poorly (and I don't expect them to change any time soon because pop-atheism books are almost as bad as all the paper wasted writing about the new "conservatism"). Let's not act like we can all be one big happy family, though -- some sects definitely do encourage a philosophy of mind that actively suppresses it adherents' ability to understand how their thoughts are being influenced by authority and culture, though, and those groups absolutely need to be challenged and opposed.
hardly call it a religion considering most religions have guidelines, where atheism is just not beleaving ina god. And as for this form of "spreading", I feel its wrong cause its like assualting the religions.
but at least there not street preaching *shudders*
but at least there not street preaching *shudders*