Star Citizen Dev: Consoles Will Lose Advantage to PCs
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I dont know what they cost now that the slim is released but you used to be able to get a 360 arcade new for $150. As for the tv that all depends on what you are going for. You can easily get a 32" hd tv for around $250.blackrave said:
I actually got my girlfriend a blueray player (ps3) and a new tv for christmas and it cost me under $350. I did get the ps3 used though so that made it a bit cheaper.
While PCs are becoming more cost efficient and will probably match consoles in the next few years I dont think that really matters. I have yet to meet a single person who actually bought a console over a pc because of the price. The convenience factor just blows away any every single advantage a pc could have.
Well if we're going graphics wise PC exclusives aren't where you're going to find the great graphics, as generally they're not AAA games with massive budgets to pay for great graphics. Games like Shogun 2 still manage to do alright though.FFP2 said:I meant graphics wise, obviously people's tastes will differ
For PC vs Console graphics you've got to go something like the Original Crysis, and look at how different they appear, Battlefield 3 on Console vs PC Ultra, Witcher 2 Console vs PC Ultra, and other more mainstream games renowned for their graphics. That's when the graphics side of thing starts to come forward.
Of course, not every game goes to such lengths, but the ones that do you can see a very clear cut difference between the 2 versions of it.
I don't think anybody buys Consoles for their power, or even their power:cost ratio. I personally bought my Xbox because it find it [sub]fun[/sub].
I want to live where you live. Prices down here in Australia aren't quite as friendly [/me looks at PS3 launch of $1000. Seriously, who'd pay for that when you can get a PC for the same price that would blow it out of the water?]Little Gray said:
Hehe, go around the Internet enough and a lot of people take it as the, *cough*, cost effective option [And then buy 3 more Xboxs 'cause they bought first generation ones that RRoD and died. I've talked to people that have that happen. Its sad, but utterly hilarious at the same time].
As for convenience, that really depends on the person and the lifestyle. Consoles are horribly inconvenient for me, and that's the reason I stopped at the PS2 and rarely even use that, whilst a PC fits my needs perfectly. Having a small device capable of playing games that you can take with you, and that doesn't cost as much as a laptop, works for some, the lack of need for a TV and far better multitasking and versatility works for others.
Most probably it is geography thingGunsmithKitten said:
In Europe (especially North and East) consoles are better decision over building custom PC only ~6months after release of new console generation
6-12 months after it is more or less same decision
After 2 years of new console release it is better to build custom rig, then to spend ~same money on console
P.S.You can say that financial life cycle of console in Europe is ~2years.
My 360 cost me around about the £250 mark in 2006 and it's lasted me this long. Show me a PC around that price, that can run FarCry 3 (just an example, first game I saw on my shelf) that I can just plug in and go with no faffing about and I'll make the switch. Till then console's will remain my primary source of gaming.
Perhaps PC Gamers that know how to build their own machines should share this art with their friends. Teaching their friends to build their own machines from the core components is a very liberating experience for their friends. Besides it would be very smart for them to merely observe their friend while they are putting it together, this will build their confidence. The transformation from a user to a admin is a very big deal and should be encouraged for everyone.
The art of building a PC summed up.
"Does that wire/card fit in that socket? If so that's where it's meant to go."
It's not exactly rocket science, I've had harder times assembling Warhammer vehicles.
As for cost, ok so the PC is initially a greater outlay than a console, but with that said, even buying retail and not digital games, you're saving between £10 - £20 on a new release, so after 10 games, the PC has paid for itself there.
"But all that faffing about installing stuff."
You put the disk in and click "Next" a few times, no more painstaking then say a firmware update, only this one lets me play other games whilst I'm installing this one.
The myth that PC's are difficult to build and maintain is just that, so long as you're reasonably smart.
"Does that wire/card fit in that socket? If so that's where it's meant to go."
It's not exactly rocket science, I've had harder times assembling Warhammer vehicles.
As for cost, ok so the PC is initially a greater outlay than a console, but with that said, even buying retail and not digital games, you're saving between £10 - £20 on a new release, so after 10 games, the PC has paid for itself there.
"But all that faffing about installing stuff."
You put the disk in and click "Next" a few times, no more painstaking then say a firmware update, only this one lets me play other games whilst I'm installing this one.
The myth that PC's are difficult to build and maintain is just that, so long as you're reasonably smart.
I'm getting a bit sick of this. How about we see what happens when the next generation is out? There are reasons I play on a console, but so many people see it as a gaming dead end. Maybe it is. I will wait and see. It's not happened yet, and that's all I need to worry about.
Because trend analytics and postulation are fun.MeChaNiZ3D said:
I'm serious, there is a lot of enjoyment from searching out leaked patents and various tech specs about new consoles allowing us to make a genuine speculative guess on features when combined with current gaming trends.
6urk17s said:
Oh man, I feel so stupid right now
Of course I meant beer
or sixpack While PC building isn't rocket science, it isn't that simple as wellRellik San said:
picking compatible motherboard-CPU combo
then deciding what size and speed RAM you need and is it supported by motherboard
then same dance with GPU
Then there is CPU and case cooling question (and picking the case if you have none)
not to mention calculating necessary power feed
(I also at this point have "large SATA2+ small SSD vs. medium SATA3" question)
There is a lot of inet digging involved in planning
Sadly it isn't the case anymore, now publishers for a most part are pricing games on all platforms equallyRellik San said:
BUT
There are plenty of great games on PC
Some are even free (like "Dwarf Fortress" for example)
Not to mention mods for games (my FO3, FO:NV, TES5 and Minecraft are heavily modded, now I'm thinking of mixing things up in XCom:EU)
This has to be the best reason for moving from a console to a PC. Others have already shown how it's mere laziness that's stopping people from playing on PCs, so I'm not going to touch on that one, as much as I want to.aelreth said:
Though there's something I'd like to add: why are the console users saying "find me a PC that can run [insert triple-A title here]"? Do they not know of non-triple-A games, at all? I use a 2009 laptop to game, and I can run FTL, The Walking Dead, and Serious Sam 2, to name a few great games I've recently played. You don't have to play the big, modern titles to have fun on a PC. To show how far back you can go with a PC, a month ago, I was playing Quake 2. And because I had excess power from my laptop, I could just ramp up the Anti-Aliasing to 8x. Pretty ace.
I don't want to devolve this conversation into insults, but for your information, my first thought was: "aww, look how cute he is, thinking you need to 'learn tech' to play on PCs." May I direct you to something else I wrote?GunsmithKitten said:
Look at that. I use a laptop to game. Something I certainly did NOT need to 'learn tech' for. You can buy a loaf of bread, right? Well, you can buy a laptop.Remaiki said:
Oh, and you asked me about 'how many hours a week I work?'. I'm actually still in education. As in, secondary school. It's entertaining how you, evidently an adult, seem to think you need to 'learn tech' to play on a PC.
I believe it was £400. A worthwhile investement, seeing as it offers up a wealth of non-triple-A games, the ability to use it like a console if I wanted (I personally still use mouse and keyboard) and Steam giving me quite a lot of games for not-quite-a-lot of money.GunsmithKitten said:
Yay! Elitism based on whether one works or not! Y'all see, if I was older and not working, I'd be inclined to direct you back to your Daily Mail. Scroungers, and all that.
So no, I won't excuse you if you dismiss my claim that you're lazy.
Oh, and another thing: you seem to be insinuating that the 'medium [you] play with toys on' is somehow easier to set up than a PC(evidenced by you getting angry over the 'education' comment), despite the fact I was explaining that this is simply not the case.
I'm thinking about making a PC my next console, still...
"Are PCs more powerful than consoles while still cost efficient?"
"Sure! You only need to look for X, Y and W while not buying at A or B and don't buy C because it has weaker performance than D and conflicts with E."
..That's a problem.
As it stands, i see the difference between consoles and PCs similar to the Difference between Android Devices and Apple iPhones and iPads. You can buy Android Devices that are much more powerful than an iOS Device, and it is a much more open platform, but at the same time there is a risk that you may have a worse experience than others for reasons that you may have to research, or because of a common problem of that specific hardware that can't really be fixed. With an iPhone, you get just about the same experience as everyone else, wich is much more restrictive but also safer and more intuitive.
Only that of course, Consoles are also chaper than PCs.
And if you want to turn a PC into a living room game console, there's a bunch of additional problems. Building a HTPC (as in a PC in a small, living room friendly case) or buying a Laptop (wich is small and highly portable, but also negates a bunch of advantages of the PC) costs much more than a normal PC and no matter how, even with Steam Big Picture and everything, if you want to play all the current games you'll have to put up with multiple User Interfaces that are not very living room friendly.
And last but not least: Consoles are still a lot more open when it comes to DRM. Less so than they used to, with Digital Downloads, Online Passes and all, but i can still take my copy of Gears of War and play it on the 360 of a friend.
As it stands, preferring Consoles over PCs hasn't only something to do with being to lazy as to put some effort into the initial setup, but having to deal with a lot of compromise when it comes to just about everything.
"Are PCs more powerful than consoles while still cost efficient?"
"Sure! You only need to look for X, Y and W while not buying at A or B and don't buy C because it has weaker performance than D and conflicts with E."
..That's a problem.
As it stands, i see the difference between consoles and PCs similar to the Difference between Android Devices and Apple iPhones and iPads. You can buy Android Devices that are much more powerful than an iOS Device, and it is a much more open platform, but at the same time there is a risk that you may have a worse experience than others for reasons that you may have to research, or because of a common problem of that specific hardware that can't really be fixed. With an iPhone, you get just about the same experience as everyone else, wich is much more restrictive but also safer and more intuitive.
Only that of course, Consoles are also chaper than PCs.
And if you want to turn a PC into a living room game console, there's a bunch of additional problems. Building a HTPC (as in a PC in a small, living room friendly case) or buying a Laptop (wich is small and highly portable, but also negates a bunch of advantages of the PC) costs much more than a normal PC and no matter how, even with Steam Big Picture and everything, if you want to play all the current games you'll have to put up with multiple User Interfaces that are not very living room friendly.
And last but not least: Consoles are still a lot more open when it comes to DRM. Less so than they used to, with Digital Downloads, Online Passes and all, but i can still take my copy of Gears of War and play it on the 360 of a friend.
As it stands, preferring Consoles over PCs hasn't only something to do with being to lazy as to put some effort into the initial setup, but having to deal with a lot of compromise when it comes to just about everything.