Star Citizen Dev: Consoles Will Lose Advantage to PCs

FoolKiller

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ben- said:
I can put my xbox controller into my PC. Hey i got a console! and its playing music, posting to facebook, burning a movie, and more, all at the same time!
And most of that you can do on a 360... so the problem I have been having is that the ability of the console to compete with a pc was the fact that the OS wasn't a drain like that Windows garbage. All of the console energies were directed at running the game. This gen, the big two seem to have decided they wanted to pretend to be PCs (and shitty ones at that).

It's not only the allure of the PC that is costing consoles, but rather the console makers lack of realizing that console owners wanted a dedicated video game playing machine, and not a multimedia crapbox.
 

Doom972

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Doom972 said:
It doesn't cost much more than a console, and sometime even less.
I've never paid more than 250 for a console. Like I already told someone, find me a pre-built that exceeds the console and I'll go with it..

As for connections, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Finding these one-day sales, lucking out at auctions for parts, knowing comp specialists who'll build your stuff for free, ect....

Technical know how? Just get one of the more recent models of the Dell Studio XPS series (or any similar brand) and you're set. The only computer skills you need are the ones that you probably have.
Sorry, but I don't know brand names, and I probably couldn't even identify what a motherboard looks like.

I only stayed in the scene in the 90's because I lived with someone who ate/slept/drank PC's for a living.

OT: I like how this guy gets all the console fanboys angry every time he opens his mouth. I might have to get this game based only on that.
Because, even though I love the man for gifting the world with Wing Commander, and I'll liekly fall in love with him again once I get in with this Star Citizen project, he talks just like the stereotypical self titled "master race", and looks down on people who play on different mediums and don't feel like taking college courses in IT just to be able to play their video games.
I wasn't talking about buying individual parts, but on buying a gaming PC from brands like Dell, Toshiba, etc. No need to pick a motherboard and such.

About the connections part - I don't have any such connections and neither do my PC-gaming friends. I'm sure that you can find a gaming PC for a reasonable price without such "connections".

You make it sound much more complicated than it actually is and I wonder how come some people get that impression about PC gaming.
 

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This guy totally isn't saying this in an attempt to draw attentionto his PC-exclusive game that is meant for real gamers only...

Really though, as much as I like PC gaming consoles will always have one big thing in their favour: Plug and Play. None of that online DRM Steam bullshit.

But does it even matter what people choose to game with? It's their choice, there doesn't need to be a winner. And if consoles are holding gaming back how come PC exclusive stuff isn't really that good?
 

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FFP2 said:
And if consoles are holding gaming back how come PC exclusive stuff isn't really that good?
Because Opinions?
I don't see most console exclusives as all that great. The later Halos, Uncharted, Red Dead - all look meh to me.
Meanwhilst, show me SC2, Civ IV, Shogun II, Star Citizen, FTL, ST:O, Tribes: Ascend, Planetside 2 - ect. and I'll get excited. PC exclusives are good, they just need to be your sort of game.
 

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Joccaren said:
Because Opinions?
I don't see most console exclusives as all that great. The later Halos, Uncharted, Red Dead - all look meh to me.
Meanwhilst, show me SC2, Civ IV, Shogun II, Star Citizen, FTL, ST:O, Tribes: Ascend, Planetside 2 - ect. and I'll get excited. PC exclusives are good, they just need to be your sort of game.
I meant graphics wise, obviously people's tastes will differ:)
 

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blackrave said:
250USD???
For a new X360 and a new TV???
Maybe that's US prices (although I really doubt that- could you give me some links for US e-stores?)
quick glance at local stores gave me ~800USD (4GB X360+cheapest TV)
Maybe you could bargain for 700USD if you search for cheapest offers, but that's about it
and for 700-800USD I can build you really good PC (good enough for Witcher2 to run on high or even ultra-I'm not familiar with Sleeping Dogs)
I dont know what they cost now that the slim is released but you used to be able to get a 360 arcade new for $150. As for the tv that all depends on what you are going for. You can easily get a 32" hd tv for around $250.


I actually got my girlfriend a blueray player (ps3) and a new tv for christmas and it cost me under $350. I did get the ps3 used though so that made it a bit cheaper.

While PCs are becoming more cost efficient and will probably match consoles in the next few years I dont think that really matters. I have yet to meet a single person who actually bought a console over a pc because of the price. The convenience factor just blows away any every single advantage a pc could have.
 

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FFP2 said:
I meant graphics wise, obviously people's tastes will differ:)
Well if we're going graphics wise PC exclusives aren't where you're going to find the great graphics, as generally they're not AAA games with massive budgets to pay for great graphics. Games like Shogun 2 still manage to do alright though.
For PC vs Console graphics you've got to go something like the Original Crysis, and look at how different they appear, Battlefield 3 on Console vs PC Ultra, Witcher 2 Console vs PC Ultra, and other more mainstream games renowned for their graphics. That's when the graphics side of thing starts to come forward.
Of course, not every game goes to such lengths, but the ones that do you can see a very clear cut difference between the 2 versions of it.
 

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I don't think anybody buys Consoles for their power, or even their power:cost ratio. I personally bought my Xbox because it find it [sub]fun[/sub].
 

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Little Gray said:
I dont know what they cost now that the slim is released but you used to be able to get a 360 arcade new for $150. As for the tv that all depends on what you are going for. You can easily get a 32" hd tv for around $250.
I want to live where you live. Prices down here in Australia aren't quite as friendly [/me looks at PS3 launch of $1000. Seriously, who'd pay for that when you can get a PC for the same price that would blow it out of the water?]


While PCs are becoming more cost efficient and will probably match consoles in the next few years I dont think that really matters. I have yet to meet a single person who actually bought a console over a pc because of the price. The convenience factor just blows away any every single advantage a pc could have.
Hehe, go around the Internet enough and a lot of people take it as the, *cough*, cost effective option [And then buy 3 more Xboxs 'cause they bought first generation ones that RRoD and died. I've talked to people that have that happen. Its sad, but utterly hilarious at the same time].
As for convenience, that really depends on the person and the lifestyle. Consoles are horribly inconvenient for me, and that's the reason I stopped at the PS2 and rarely even use that, whilst a PC fits my needs perfectly. Having a small device capable of playing games that you can take with you, and that doesn't cost as much as a laptop, works for some, the lack of need for a TV and far better multitasking and versatility works for others.
 

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GunsmithKitten said:
blackrave said:
Maybe you could bargain for 700USD if you search for cheapest offers, but that's about it
and for 700-800USD I can build you really good PC (good enough for Witcher2 to run on high or even ultra-I'm not familiar with Sleeping Dogs)
Then PC gaming remains too rich for my blood, brudda. Consoles are still cheaper for me.
Most probably it is geography thing
In Europe (especially North and East) consoles are better decision over building custom PC only ~6months after release of new console generation
6-12 months after it is more or less same decision
After 2 years of new console release it is better to build custom rig, then to spend ~same money on console

P.S.You can say that financial life cycle of console in Europe is ~2years.
 

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My 360 cost me around about the £250 mark in 2006 and it's lasted me this long. Show me a PC around that price, that can run FarCry 3 (just an example, first game I saw on my shelf) that I can just plug in and go with no faffing about and I'll make the switch. Till then console's will remain my primary source of gaming.