Star Wars, Lightsabers, and submachine guns

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Twilight_guy said:
Blaster fire high energy particles. As you might have guessed a ball of energy that will explode on contact (as seen by the cheap spark effect when blasters hit anything) is more deadly then a slug of lead, for the same reason that a bullet that bursts into shrapnel on impact is more deadly then a conventional bullet.
That's actually not true. A key goal when it comes to developing a new round is figuring out how to deliver as much energy to a target as quickly as possible. When a round breaks up upon hitting a target, the penetration capabilities of each fragment is less than if it stayed together - easily resulting in reduced wound severity. The Hollow Point round is designed to flatten and widen in service of the goal of coming to a stop more quickly. Indeed, a fair amount of effort has gone into the development of rounds designed to penetrate outer obstructions (heavy clothing for example) and penetrate some distance into flesh before the round begins to expand. The expansion is an attempt to balance the total mass of the round against available energy to launch the projectile against the desire to keep as much of the round intact as possible until it comes to a rest in a target.

DoPo said:
It doesn't matter though since people even using guns that fire bullets is entirely dependent on the idea that these guns are available. Since Star Wars takes place in a galaxy far far away and long long ago, we cannot assume that they invented firearms.
I'd wager discovering the existence of a substance that expands rapidly under easily replicated and controlled conditions (gunpowder) and then connecting that fact to the ability to make heavy objects move very fast would come far in advance of discovery and harnessing plasma weapons.

DoPo said:
Blasters might have been invented instead of guns that fire bullets. You can't use a submachine gun if one was never invented. However, as noted in said article apparently lasers do exist but have since become obsolete.
Firearms do exist in the star wars universe.
 

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Submachine guns or assault rifles would work very well against Star Wars things "in reality", but if you try sticking reality into Star Wars all sorts of things stop working.

As an aside, something nobody seems to have mentioned, the blasters fire a projectile which moves slowly enough to track with the naked eye. You should be able to see it coming and stand a reasonable chance of ducking, or at least much more than with a bullet. Also, hitting a moving target would be awkward, as you'd have to anticipate movement a lot more.
 

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This lasers vs bullets argument seems to be fairly arbitrary to me. What I see as a much bigger issue is, why do people only ever fire their blasters at Jedi on semi auto? Seriously? They can't be expecting us to believe that every handheld gun in the galaxy has the same rate of fire as a repeater rifle. In fact, in games like Battlefront we see that the standard issue blasters for regular troops of every faction have full auto capabilities, but to my recollection, in the movies, everyone who fires a blaster rifle at a jedi fires one bolt per trigger pull! So, what would happen if a Jedi went up against an assault rifle or even a light machine gun with no cover and only his lighsaber to protect him? With that volume of fire, surely he'd only be able to block one or two shots before being overwhelmed?
Modern military tactics suggest that the only time you ever go full auto is for suppression fire, which is where you blindly fire around the corner in the general direction of your foes to keep their head down, and NEVER do that for prolonged periods, otherwise you will damage your gun by overheating it, and if that is true of bullets, imagine the heat generated by a gigawatt laser.
I'm well aware of the reasons for not going full auto Rambo style in real life. However, we're talking about an entirely different situation, where you're facing a single enemy with no gun of his own, in open ground, with nothing but a lightsaber blade a couple of inches across for cover. And even firing full auto for just two or three seconds would surely lay down enough rounds that the Jedi wouldn't be able to block it? In that case it seems like a better option to light him up and hope that he doesn't get a chance to deflect any of the bullets back at you than just plink uselessly at him and stand a very high chance of him bouncing your shots back, with a fairly low chance of actually hitting him.
 

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It's also worth considering that even at the height of the Jedi's power, there aren't that many Jedi about. Most of the time your troops are going to be facing conventional opponents who will rely on personal armour rather than magic. It stands to reason that with all the spacey type awesome stuff and mega structures that advanced, lightweight, materials exist that means that in order to defeat the armour you'd need every soldier equipped with some manner of anti-matiral weapon. An advanced energy weapon is probably a more effective solution.

Naturally none of this takes into account Ewoks. Perhaps they're a lot stronger than they look and their wee bows have remarkable torque?
 

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I could try to come up with a in-universe explanation but why try?

The answer is and will always be: because it is cool and having the good guys die because of a weapon we have in our world is boring. Same reason they use fighters, big ass space stations and blaster canons with shorter range than modern missiles.


see also: Harry Potter and sniper rifles.

Real question is: Why do you want to ruin the fun? :p
Exactly, my principle is: it's called sci-FI for a reason, don't spoil with reality lol
 

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I would hardly call those normal monks.
I said "normal" with the quotes around it. Also clarified I talked about kung fu movie monks. So normal for kung fu movies. The Jedi are far above them, since they actually use magic, the monks didn't...well, it was all chalked up to training and such, and effectively looked like magic but it wasn't. Now imagine the monks could see the future and actually use telekinesis - those would be Jedi, so I don't get how OP can compare them to normal people.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
As opposed to one battery or whatever fuels the plasma guns.
Well, since we have no data on what those weigh or how many shots you get, the logistics argument is hard to make. The video games imply you have to reload regularly. I don't recall anyone ever reloading a blaster in the movies.
I just assumed whatever they used to fuel the guns would be charged up again, so they wouldn't need that many extra "clips" to go around. Dunno, two or three per person seems logical, and they need those same two-three for the entire time they would serve in the military. As opposed to going through rounds and magazines all the time. Way less space and hassle required to transport laser weapons.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
Also, what could bullets possibly do to a sheet of metal?
Go through it. A light rifle round can penetrate a significant fraction of an inch of steel. The M1A2 (The US Main battle tank) primary tank killing round is just a very large bullet moving fairly fast (the projectile itself does damage with sheer kinetic force - the same as a bullet only bigger) and it can defeat feet of steel.


Let me put it this way - with the abundance of battle droids that are used in warfare in the Star Wars universe, would you want to go there and shoot tiny holes in them? That's if you get to penetrate their exterior. Or would you rather go for a weapon that can burn a hole in metal?

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
What possible advantage do bullets have?
They can be manufactured in a machine shop using technology hundreds of years old. In the star wars universe there is also the notable fact that the Star Wars universe relies heavily on "deflector" shielding to survive - a technology that is utterly ineffective against kinetic projectiles.
One can assume that they moved past the need to protect from kinetic projectiles. It's, after all, another technology hundreds of years old. Also - robots.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
They are bulky,
Not particularly, actually. Heavy yes - they are mostly metal after all.
They take up more space than the ammunition you'd need for laser weapons.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
unreliable,
This is quite false. With even rudimentary quality control standards, achieving a failure rate of a fraction of a percent is easy enough. Most failures to fire are not faulty ammunition but rather a faulty weapon (or a weapon that simply doesn't operate well using a particular type of round)
Planets with different gravity would have a different bullet drop, bullets are they are also affected by wind. Put simply - the same weapon would have vastly different performance depending on the environment. As opposed to point and shoot and your shot going only ever straight.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
can only penetrate certain kinds of armour,
A chunk of matter going sufficiently fast will go through more or less anything. The Mass Effect universe relies largely upon this principle with relatively small slugs being propelled to staggering speeds which grants them tremendous power.

Mass Effect has projectiles going at relativistic speeds. Star Wars (as far as I know) doesn't have that technology. Funnily, lasers shots move even slower. Normal everyday ammo which we have would generally be either be made to go through armour or not be very effective against it.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
even then not that many (you have to use different bullets for different situation),
This isn't particularly true and even in situations where performance of a weapon is highly mutable based upon ammunition choice, the fact that this is easily altered in a handful of seconds in a battle scenario is actually a point in the favor of firearms. For the most part, within given calibers there is not a huge difference in operational parameters when it comes to hurting people with the round. The 9mm and 9mm +P may have different muzzle energies that generally grant the +P round greater stopping power - that difference is not as significant as simply using the slightly larger .40 S&W or 10mm.

To put it another way, in spite of having access to many types of 5.56x45 NATO ammunition, the vast bulk of all rounds of that caliber ever fired are a simple full metal jacket example with a steel penetration core.
Given the wide variety of species present, one would assume that some types of bullets would kill some of them even faster, or, maybe not do much damage to them. As opposed to point and shoot. I'd assume that the Star Wars rifles have some sort of dial or something to adjust the force of the shot - at least I would have made one, so you'll be able to use the weapon in more circumstances.

Eclectic Dreck said:
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Erm, somebody else said that, not me.
 

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DoPo said:
Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
Also, what could bullets possibly do to a sheet of metal?
Go through it. A light rifle round can penetrate a significant fraction of an inch of steel. The M1A2 (The US Main battle tank) primary tank killing round is just a very large bullet moving fairly fast (the projectile itself does damage with sheer kinetic force - the same as a bullet only bigger) and it can defeat feet of steel.


Let me put it this way - with the abundance of battle droids that are used in warfare in the Star Wars universe, would you want to go there and shoot tiny holes in them? That's if you get to penetrate their exterior. Or would you rather go for a weapon that can burn a hole in metal?


As an aside, you might want to go look at penetration tests on youtube of various types of weapons and ammunition.

Modern projectiles can penetrate a suprising way through all sorts of seemingly solid things.

DoPo said:
Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
unreliable,
This is quite false. With even rudimentary quality control standards, achieving a failure rate of a fraction of a percent is easy enough. Most failures to fire are not faulty ammunition but rather a faulty weapon (or a weapon that simply doesn't operate well using a particular type of round)
Planets with different gravity would have a different bullet drop, bullets are they are also affected by wind. Put simply - the same weapon would have vastly different performance depending on the environment. As opposed to point and shoot and your shot going only ever straight.
It is true that shot drop would be different in different gravities (excepting everywhere in Star Wars has the same gravity, it seems) and that's absolutely something that should come up more in sci-fi, but that's going to be the same as weapons firing slow moving red things.
DoPo said:
Waffle_Man said:
I would hardly call those normal monks.
I said "normal" with the quotes around it. Also clarified I talked about kung fu movie monks. So normal for kung fu movies. The Jedi are far above them, since they actually use magic, the monks didn't...well, it was all chalked up to training and such, and effectively looked like magic but it wasn't. Now imagine the monks could see the future and actually use telekinesis - those would be Jedi, so I don't get how OP can compare them to normal people.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
As opposed to one battery or whatever fuels the plasma guns.
Well, since we have no data on what those weigh or how many shots you get, the logistics argument is hard to make. The video games imply you have to reload regularly. I don't recall anyone ever reloading a blaster in the movies.
I just assumed whatever they used to fuel the guns would be charged up again, so they wouldn't need that many extra "clips" to go around. Dunno, two or three per person seems logical, and they need those same two-three for the entire time they would serve in the military. As opposed to going through rounds and magazines all the time. Way less space and hassle required to transport laser weapons.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
Also, what could bullets possibly do to a sheet of metal?
Go through it. A light rifle round can penetrate a significant fraction of an inch of steel. The M1A2 (The US Main battle tank) primary tank killing round is just a very large bullet moving fairly fast (the projectile itself does damage with sheer kinetic force - the same as a bullet only bigger) and it can defeat feet of steel.


Let me put it this way - with the abundance of battle droids that are used in warfare in the Star Wars universe, would you want to go there and shoot tiny holes in them? That's if you get to penetrate their exterior. Or would you rather go for a weapon that can burn a hole in metal?

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
What possible advantage do bullets have?
They can be manufactured in a machine shop using technology hundreds of years old. In the star wars universe there is also the notable fact that the Star Wars universe relies heavily on "deflector" shielding to survive - a technology that is utterly ineffective against kinetic projectiles.
One can assume that they moved past the need to protect from kinetic projectiles. It's, after all, another technology hundreds of years old. Also - robots.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
They are bulky,
Not particularly, actually. Heavy yes - they are mostly metal after all.
They take up more space than the ammunition you'd need for laser weapons.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
unreliable,
This is quite false. With even rudimentary quality control standards, achieving a failure rate of a fraction of a percent is easy enough. Most failures to fire are not faulty ammunition but rather a faulty weapon (or a weapon that simply doesn't operate well using a particular type of round)
Planets with different gravity would have a different bullet drop, bullets are they are also affected by wind. Put simply - the same weapon would have vastly different performance depending on the environment. As opposed to point and shoot and your shot going only ever straight.

Eclectic Dreck said:
DoPo said:
can only penetrate certain kinds of armour,
A chunk of matter going sufficiently fast will go through more or less anything. The Mass Effect universe relies largely upon this principle with relatively small slugs being propelled to staggering speeds which grants them tremendous power.
Mass Effect has projectiles going at relativistic speeds. Star Wars (as far as I know) doesn't have that technology. Funnily, lasers shots move even slower.


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Hey? Laser shots move even slower than what? Travelling at the speed of light is about as fast as you can go (mind you, speed of light though a medium such as air is significantly slower than through vacuum).

Do ME shots move at relativistic speeds? That sounds rather absurd.

Now, mutliple MACH, fair enough.
 

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Forgive me if this has already been posted, but lasers go in a straight line. Bullets, outside of vidya games, do not. Therefore it stands to reason that laser weapons are much easier to use, in addition to all the other reasons already given.
 
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Magical sci-fi bullshit? That was always my explanation.

EDIT: to add something positive, I think that as someone has already said, the question is not "why not use bullets" but why not use more dakka. Bullets or lasers will suffice.
 

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They could so block them, just not hit them back with the Lightsabers ( Bullets would melt in laz0r)
 

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I'm not sure if anyones mentioned them or not, but there are disruptors, a kind of blaster that fires projectiles. I'm not sure if there in any of the movies, but you can get some in KOTOR 1&2.

I reckon they must be in the movies, as I read about them in my dad's encyclopedia of Star Wars weaponry (if there is a nerdier book out there, I haven't seen it).
 

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DJjaffacake said:
Forgive me if this has already been posted, but lasers go in a straight line. Bullets, outside of vidya games, do not. Therefore it stands to reason that laser weapons are much easier to use, in addition to all the other reasons already given.
That's an important, if often overlooked fact. Lasers travel in a straight line (IIRC, a straight line is defined as the path a laser beam will take, though that's probably in a vacuum).

If your sights are properly aligned, if you have the target in your sights when you pull the trigger, you've hit the target. You'd get some problems with atmospheric conditions, the laser might discharge into rain or fog in a way a bullet would not.

However, the stuff blasters fire can be soon moving with the naked eye, and thus can't be lasers.

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Hey, that's a thought, even if the Jedi can block lasers the way they can with absurdly slow moving stuff, they can't block more that the width of their lightsaber. If the laser's focus isn't that tight where they block it, part of the beam will travel around the light saber. You'd get less intensity, as you'd have a lightsabre shaped shadow in the beam, and maybe you want a tight beam to do any damage anyway, though.
 

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Your argument has already been invalidated multiple times, but have a source.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Slugthrower
 
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templar1138a said:
Your argument has already been invalidated multiple times, but have a source.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Slugthrower
"For example, during the days of the Galactic Republic, mercenaries fearing an intervention by Jedi Knights used rapid-fire slugthrowers that were impossible to completely deflect, unlike blaster bolts."

Looks like that actually validates his argument.

edit: Ok, I guess you were answering the "why does nobody use" aspect, with "actually, they do". My mistake, carry on.
 

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wackymon said:
So, I have just one small thing that really bugged me about the star wars series...
Why is it always plasma weapons or lightsabers (Which can reflect Blaster Fire), and never, oh, lets say... Ballistic weapons, like a Submachine gun!? I mean, honestly, it seems to make sense, and it'll probably go faster then Blaster Fire it'll probably fire more then Blasters, leaving no time to respond, and can't be blocked! Why the hell does nobody REALIZE that!?

Just something that really bugged me.
BECAUSE THAT MOVIE WOULD SUCK!
 

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Tombsite said:
I could try to come up with a in-universe explanation but why try?

The answer is and will always be: because it is cool and having the good guys die because of a weapon we have in our world is boring. Same reason they use fighters, big ass space stations and blaster canons with shorter range than modern missiles.


see also: Harry Potter and sniper rifles.

Real question is: Why do you want to ruin the fun? :p
Yep, that is it.

You hit the nail on the head.

Most films require the willful suspension of disbelief. Most books require the willful suspension of disbelief.

That is just how things go. Yes, sometimes its harder then others. When you realise things like 'The Black Watch circa 1916 would be able to massacre an entire army that qualified at the Imperial Stormtrooper Academy' for example (Rifles accurate at range, projetiles that can travel faster then the human eye can follow, unlike blasters, plus the Stormtroopers wearing armour thin enough to be pierced by arrows). Or when you give a moments thought to the batshit stupid melee charge in Batman Rises (You know which one I mean).

But you just need to.

Yes, wands are less effective then guns. Yes, the HP universe makes no sense whatsoever. I mean, Voldemorte kills muggles constantly. Its what he does. Its stated that the PM knows about the existence of wizards. Yet the SAS are never called in.

For that matter wizards from other countries are underrepresented. My sister and I had a long conversation about the Wizard equivalent of the UN appearing to stop voldemorte.

You know, a bunch of idiots with blue hats and wands that can only stun. It was a fun conversation.

tldr;
The willful suspension of disbelief. That is why there are no SMG's in Starwars. That is why the Rebels won. That is why there are no nukes. That is why the Empire fights without any form of game plan. That is why Voldemorte is not shot by the SAS. That is why that stupid melee charge in the new Batman film ended with victory and not slaughter. That is why *insert game character* overcomes *insert insurmountable odds*. That is why despite a total lack of shields and, in many cases, any form of body armour nobody in LOTR dies unless it is dramatically neccesary despite teh COLLOSAL AMOUNT OF ARROWS THAT ARE FIRED AT THEM.

The willful suspension of disbelief. It has a lot to answer for.
 

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DoPo said:
I just assumed whatever they used to fuel the guns would be charged up again, so they wouldn't need that many extra "clips" to go around. Dunno, two or three per person seems logical, and they need those same two-three for the entire time they would serve in the military. As opposed to going through rounds and magazines all the time. Way less space and hassle required to transport laser weapons.
This is really the problem - the Star Wars universe offers no real information on blasters, at least in the movies. Questions of logistics are impossible to answer when we have no information on things like how heavy the weapons are, the difficulty of production of weapons and ammunition, how ammunition is handled and the like. As such, any attempt to demonstrate their superiority on these grounds is impossible. Moreover, any data that does exist is useless due to the aforementioned use of numbers that are insane. In the star wars universe, light fighter weaponry is a weapon of mass destruction and yet a demonstration of the power of these weapons always falls far short of what we are told about them. Turbolaser batteries are often in the gigawatt range and deliver more energy in a pulse than the total power grid of the modern world can provide in that span of time yet small vessels can often shrug off a hit or two. This ignores that that energy delivery is so enormous that anything hit is subjected to forces normally found in the heart of stars.

Thus, any attempt to demonstrate the superiority of such things is pointless. They rely on magic with no basis in reality. They are obviously going to be superior. When light structures can withstand being bombarded with energy sufficient to induce nuclear fusion with little more than a small char mark the notion of using bullets seems rather quaint. Yet, paradoxically, the Star Wars universe uses projectile weapons that are inferior to energy weapons by orders of magnitude to great effect. Thus we have a contradiction inherent in the fiction such that projectiles are both vastly inferior and yet superior simultaneously.

DoPo said:
Let me put it this way - with the abundance of battle droids that are used in warfare in the Star Wars universe, would you want to go there and shoot tiny holes in them? That's if you get to penetrate their exterior. Or would you rather go for a weapon that can burn a hole in metal?
A blaster fires bursts of particles, effectively meaning they are little more than "hot" bullets. Blaster weaponry offers no obvious advantage over firearms as secondary effects of such a weapon are at best similar to the secondary effects of a number of modern weapon systems. High Explosive Anti-Tank rounds often rely on plasma as the final kill mechanism for example and yet there exist plenty of weapons systems that are expected to engage equally heavy armor systems that rely purely on chunks of heavy metal being propelled by an explosion.

To put this in another way, commonly available armor piercing weapon systems that can be carried and fired by people can penetrate greater than a quarter inch of steel. Heavier weapons can do far more damage. Heavy Machine Guns and anti-material weapons can often penetrate greater than an inch of armor plate and these weapons are entirely man portable. There are dozens of light anti-armor weapons in use around the world that can defeat several inches of armor. Given that battle droids rely on relatively light armor systems and further considering that blasters also rely upon kinetic energy to deal most of their damage it is reasonably safe to say that there exist plenty of projectile options that are perfectly capable of dealing equivalent damage to such a platform.

The only place I see problems is that there are simply weapons in the star wars universe that are obviously superior. The weapon system used by the Republic Commando in one of the Old Republic Trailers is roughly equivalent to modern grenade machine guns yet is light enough to be carried by a single man. The equivalent modern weapon is man portable but still requires being placed in a fixed position to employ.

DoPo said:
One can assume that they moved past the need to protect from kinetic projectiles. It's, after all, another technology hundreds of years old. Also - robots.
As I said above, there is no indication that infantry weapons in the star wars universe offer any real advantage over firearms. It is only in special cases of heavy weapons that we see the superiority of blasters as we often see heavy weapons being deployed in a light enough package to be used by a single infantry soldier on the move.

DoPo said:
They take up more space than the ammunition you'd need for laser weapons.
Again, there is no indication that this is true within the movies or the games and I'm not particularly willing to dig through various technical sourcebooks for information.

DoPo said:
Planets with different gravity would have a different bullet drop, bullets are they are also affected by wind. Put simply - the same weapon would have vastly different performance depending on the environment. As opposed to point and shoot and your shot going only ever straight.
Blasters would be affected by all of that plus you'd have to take into account magnetic fields. They do fire masses of charged particles after all - thus why they can be deflected by a light sabre.

DoPo said:
Mass Effect has projectiles going at relativistic speeds. Star Wars (as far as I know) doesn't have that technology. Funnily, lasers shots move even slower. Normal everyday ammo which we have would generally be either be made to go through armour or not be very effective against it.
Kinetic Energy is an easy quantity to calculate: it is equivalent to .5*mass*velocity^2. The existence of heavy blasters indicates they are familiar with using magnetic fields to propel projectiles meaning the use of heavy ferrous slugs in high caliber weapon systems is perfectly possible. Consider, for example, the mass drivers used by various ships in Empire at War - capital ships essentially use the same weapons systems found on Mass Effect Dreadnoughts.

DoPo said:
Given the wide variety of species present, one would assume that some types of bullets would kill some of them even faster, or, maybe not do much damage to them. As opposed to point and shoot. I'd assume that the Star Wars rifles have some sort of dial or something to adjust the force of the shot - at least I would have made one, so you'll be able to use the weapon in more circumstances.
If you simply mean that a light rifle round, say a 5.56x45 NATO would be relatively ineffective against something massive like a rancor, then you'd be right. Of course, the same is true of equivalent blaster weapons so there does not seem to be any advantage. A light blaster weapon and a light bullet weapon seem to have similar shortfalls. We don't often see Republic Troops taking out AT-AT's with personal weapons for example much the same as we don't see many soldiers take down Main Battle Tanks with rifle fire.

I suppose the point is simply this: yes, projectiles have shortcomings. But in the Star Wars universe, those are not often terribly significant given that the blaster weapons favored have similar failings. It is only in the case of heavy weaponry that we see any demonstration of superiority over modern weapon systems as it seems it is possible to lighten the very heavy end of man-portable weapons sufficiently that they can be employed by a single soldier outside of a fixed position. Yet even in this case, the overwhelming popularity of personal deflector shielding is such that simple kinetic projectiles would often be superior since they are notable not affected by the technology. On foot then it becomes a question of situation - without enormous improvements not obvious to observation in games or movies, blasters do not offer any particular advantage outside of heavy man-portable weapons. Larger weapon systems found on ships on the other hand confer tremendous advantage to the turbo-laser and proton-torpedo yet the existence and brutal effectiveness of mass drivers when properly employed introduces contradiction such that it is again difficult to determine where the energy weapon offers advantage.
 

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How has no one posted this clip yet? Gather 'round and learn, everyone!
 

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Did you see what Qui Gon's lightsaber did to that blast door? That's why, metal is no better than blaster fire.