Star Wars: The Force Awakens' Full Trailer Stands Revealed

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[Jesus Christ, Snip.]

While that was an interesting read, I'm still going with the "they wouldn't have the balls to make Luke a villain" route. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but I have a feeling that they'll likely try to play it safe, especially for the first in this new trilogy. And if they do make him evil in later instalments, then there wouldn't be any reason to hide him in the trailer to preserve this twist.
Besides, most (almost all) of what you just said isn't even explained in the films, so I doubt many people would understand why Luke is now evil. Having him become evil at the end could pave the way for another trilogy, but I have to wonder how long they mean to milk such a thing. I guess they'll want their money's worth.

Well that's the kicker. Most people who watch Star Wars honestly don't get it for some reason, I guess because it's a bit too subtle, especially seeing as a lot of the evidence is presented out of order, for example you don't know about the prophecy and the whole "balance" thing until the prequels, at which point it puts a whole new light on what happened in the original trilogy. It also explains certain things people have puzzled over like how Sidious was apparently so powerful (killing 3 Jedi Masters simultaneously) yet the Sith were eradicated, simply put The Force was on his side. Ditto for Obi-Wan's "cheese" move he pulled out of nowhere to take down Darth Maul. This is why I talk about having respect for the material.

Star Wars can also undergo an infinite number of cycles. I mean I've always thought having the galaxy actually ruled by a Sith Empire and having the good guys discover Jedism, and gradually work there way up through the system pretending they are Sith (much like what Sidious did in reverse) could be interesting especially if the parallels are shown. What's more even with what I said if they bring about free will in the final act (or think they did) as I explained that could still end it on a high note even without moving on to other cycles.

That said Disney's "Star Wars: Rebels" program does seem to point in the direction your talking about since I can't see Disney declaring it's own, current, stuff non-canon. This means that unless it's a kid's series that ends like "Blake's 7" (I can hear the screams of ruined childhoods already) we have several civil war-era Jedi including Anakin's Clone Wars Padawan still trotting around which plays havoc with some of the logic... though I suppose it could still be resolved one way or another, especially if it ends with the Empire dropping bodies in the final episode.... but then again... Disney. So, there are some supporting arguments to be made that they aren't going to respect the material...

While I have no real contempt for JJ Abrams, he's the guy that turned Star Trek, a story story largely about contemplating morality, science, and avoiding conflict if possible, and turned it into explosions, punching people, and other action stuff. Granted, the previous Star Trek movies seemed to do a good job of that already. Even so, having Luke turn evil seem like a bit too much of a bold move, although I would certainly respect them for such a thing. I quite like stories where, after defeating the villain, the protagonist becomes the villain in the next instalment.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Looks like it could be a fun time. Although judging from the footage shown, this movie may not have a large space battle, which has always been my favorite parts of the original trilogy. C'mon, I want some wars between the stars in my STAR WARS!

Also, seems like either Rey or Finn will be the new Jedi to oppose the Dark Jedi/Sith, but I do hope they don't rush it, with Rey/Finn going from regular Joe to full-fledged force user within the span of one movie, unless there are timeskips. It took Luke 3 whole movies (which in-universe spanned about 4 years) to become capable of standing up to Vader, from being unable to do anything but watch in A New Hope, to getting his ass kicked in Empire, to coming into his own in Return. I like that aspect of the OT, that it took time for Luke to grow as a person and a force user, both in-universe and in a real sense.

I feel like John Williams was doing most of the leg work in this movie.

Well, John Williams IS the Man, so no surprise there, innit?

Though it is interesting that the main character appears to be a stormtrooper who became a Jedi(seemingly, we do see him hold a lightsaber). That's basically Kyle Katarn, and I don't know if this was deliberate or absent minded of the studio that the EU already had such characters.

The similarities are probably coincidental. And let's be fair, by the end the EU was so expansive it would be hard for Disney to come up with new original characters that don't have some similarity to an existing EU character.

 

[Gizmo1990]

It is looking more and more likly that in Abrams world Luke has spent the last 30 years NOT training new Jedi which bums me out quite a bit. The only things getting me excited are still the Falcon, Han and the music but I will wait and see before I make any more judgements.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I'm hoping there's something that actually makes me care about the new characters at some point before Christmas.

You expect to care about new characters based on the trailer? I don't even...

It looks good. I'm definitely going to see it. It's freakin' Star Wars after all.

 

[ShakerSilver]

Eh, didn't really get me excited to be honest. I guess the leaked story got me bummed out that this will most likely be just a rehash of the first movie.

Spoiler: Actual spoilers

I mean really, another death star? Luke handing down his lightsaber just like Obi Wan handed down Anakins? Empire still going strong while Republic still acts like rebels, despite the rebellion toppling the Empire 30 years prior? This makes no sense.

I'll reserve judgement until I see the film, but I can't help but feel something is off.

 

[JimB]

God damn it, I didn't want to get hyped for this fucking movie, but that hyperspace shot give me fourteen seconds of goosebumps.

 

[hermes]

So, going with Abram's usual "mystery box with most obvious answer being correct", the conspicuous absence of Mark Hamill combined with the masked villains clearly means Luke Skywalker's a Sith, now, right? That's him with Daddy's mangled mask, taking over Daddy's unfinished business?

Which is what, exactly? Wiping out force users, perhaps? "Bringing balance"? Hrm.

My guess is that Luke will have a fleeting cameo, and will be killed by another force user, likely Kylo and his entourage; which would explain some of the scenes of Rey crying...

 

[Sigmund Av Volsung]

Looks like it could be a fun time. Although judging from the footage shown, this movie may not have a large space battle, which has always been my favorite parts of the original trilogy. C'mon, I want some wars between the stars in my STAR WARS!

Also, seems like either Rey or Finn will be the new Jedi to oppose the Dark Jedi/Sith, but I do hope they don't rush it, with Rey/Finn going from regular Joe to full-fledged force user within the span of one movie, unless there are timeskips. It took Luke 3 whole movies (which in-universe spanned about 4 years) to become capable of standing up to Vader, from being unable to do anything but watch in A New Hope, to getting his ass kicked in Empire, to coming into his own in Return. I like that aspect of the OT, that it took time for Luke to grow as a person and a force user, both in-universe and in a real sense.

I feel like John Williams was doing most of the leg work in this movie.

Well, John Williams IS the Man, so no surprise there, innit?

Though it is interesting that the main character appears to be a stormtrooper who became a Jedi(seemingly, we do see him hold a lightsaber). That's basically Kyle Katarn, and I don't know if this was deliberate or absent minded of the studio that the EU already had such characters.

The similarities are probably coincidental. And let's be fair, by the end the EU was so expansive it would be hard for Disney to come up with new original characters that don't have some similarity to an existing EU character.

It's still a bit irksome to people who really liked Kyle Katarn. It's like, here's a character that is ostensibly the same guy, but not really. The dude here does seem much more srs than Katarn though.

And it doesn't help that every time I get reminded of the EU wipe I remember that there will never be a KoTOR III ;_;

 

[The Enquirer]

Raises quite a few questions. Where'd the new sith come from? Normally I'd say he's just a regular baddie who taught himself the ways of the dark side but he seems to know quite a bit about Vader.

Also we appear to be getting Kyle Kataran, at least on the surface. Which is pretty darned cool.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Well, at least this isn't a trailer that gives away ALL the plot.

It doesn't? Good. I was actually scouring the reactions for a message like this before I was going to watch the trailer. Now I can! Fingers crossed.

Edit:
Well I just sat clapping and giggling like a bloody idiot behind my computer. Excellent. Oh my God I can't wait.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

"Just let it in." - Gonna be my new favorite Star Wars line.

Trailer doesn't do much for me though.

 

[Gizen]

Nowadays though it makes the Spaceballs joke about it standing out surprisingly prophetic because they did away with the EU and as they explained the army of the Empire is made up of clones,

Except that after the clone wars, the Empire slowly phased out the use of clones in favour of just enlisting and recruiting normal humans, which means there's no canon inconsistency and your entire argument is invalidated.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Well whaddayaknow , that actually looks alright.

Having a main character be a storm trooper deserter is a cool idea. (Although I guess they're no longer clones then?)

Zhukov! What have you done?!?!? You've invited the possibility of VERY, VERY hardcore Star Wars fans repeatedly ganging up on you and telling you that the EU (Expanded Universe, stuff like books, comics, video games, cartoons, anything that's not the movies) covered this before it was un-canonized by Disney/Lucasfilm and the remaining stuff outside of the films that are still canon also cover this. Know their wrath you clearly do not! Run! Cut your losses while you still can! [small] On a serious note it's like [user]Ihrgoth[/user] and [user]Jadak[/user] said. The latest cartoon, Star Wars Rebels, which is still canon recently mentioned briefly about the surviving clones mandatory issued retirement [/small]

So, going with Abram's usual "mystery box with most obvious answer being correct", the conspicuous absence of Mark Hamill combined with the masked villains clearly means Luke Skywalker's a Sith, now, right? That's him with Daddy's mangled mask, taking over Daddy's unfinished business.

Mark Hamill had a presence in the 2nd teaser holding his mechanical hand onto R2 with a slightly reworded reuse of his lines from Return of the Jedi about his family's strength in the force as a very brief narration separate from the scene. Or, did you know that and consider the fact that he is missing from even 1 of the trailers enough evidence? It's already been revealed who the villain behind the mask is and it's not Luke.

Thanks for clearing that up as I was making the same assumption. Still Given this is the first of the new triliogy, Luke probably will appear in the sequel if he doesn't fully appear in The Force Reveal.

OT-It certainly look promising. I admit I did glee seeing the dogfight in modern tech. The Hype trains has gotten "hype"r drive!

 

[Eclipse Dragon]

I want to feel excited for this movie, but I just can't, then again, I've always felt this way about Star Wars. I absolutely love the idea of the movies and the universe, but when I actually see them, it's a big meh. Guardians of the Galaxy does the sci-fi fantasy a lot better for me for some reason.

 

[crepesack]

Knowing that luke isn't conventionally trained as a "good" jedi and that most jedi knowledge is lost it seems pretty plausible he has redeveloped how the force works without all the subterfuge and propaganda produced by the jedi institution. For all we know he's "evil" in that he's doing what the force wills.

 

[EternallyBored]

[Jesus Christ, Snip.]

While that was an interesting read, I'm still going with the "they wouldn't have the balls to make Luke a villain" route. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, but I have a feeling that they'll likely try to play it safe, especially for the first in this new trilogy. And if they do make him evil in later instalments, then there wouldn't be any reason to hide him in the trailer to preserve this twist.
Besides, most (almost all) of what you just said isn't even explained in the films, so I doubt many people would understand why Luke is now evil. Having him become evil at the end could pave the way for another trilogy, but I have to wonder how long they mean to milk such a thing. I guess they'll want their money's worth.

Well that's the kicker. Most people who watch Star Wars honestly don't get it for some reason, I guess because it's a bit too subtle, especially seeing as a lot of the evidence is presented out of order, for example you don't know about the prophecy and the whole "balance" thing until the prequels, at which point it puts a whole new light on what happened in the original trilogy. It also explains certain things people have puzzled over like how Sidious was apparently so powerful (killing 3 Jedi Masters simultaneously) yet the Sith were eradicated, simply put The Force was on his side. Ditto for Obi-Wan's "cheese" move he pulled out of nowhere to take down Darth Maul. This is why I talk about having respect for the material.

Star Wars can also undergo an infinite number of cycles. I mean I've always thought having the galaxy actually ruled by a Sith Empire and having the good guys discover Jedism, and gradually work there way up through the system pretending they are Sith (much like what Sidious did in reverse) could be interesting especially if the parallels are shown. What's more even with what I said if they bring about free will in the final act (or think they did) as I explained that could still end it on a high note even without moving on to other cycles.

That said Disney's "Star Wars: Rebels" program does seem to point in the direction your talking about since I can't see Disney declaring it's own, current, stuff non-canon. This means that unless it's a kid's series that ends like "Blake's 7" (I can hear the screams of ruined childhoods already) we have several civil war-era Jedi including Anakin's Clone Wars Padawan still trotting around which plays havoc with some of the logic... though I suppose it could still be resolved one way or another, especially if it ends with the Empire dropping bodies in the final episode.... but then again... Disney. So, there are some supporting arguments to be made that they aren't going to respect the material...

While I have no real contempt for JJ Abrams, he's the guy that turned Star Trek, a story story largely about contemplating morality, science, and avoiding conflict if possible, and turned it into explosions, punching people, and other action stuff. Granted, the previous Star Trek movies seemed to do a good job of that already. Even so, having Luke turn evil seem like a bit too much of a bold move, although I would certainly respect them for such a thing. I quite like stories where, after defeating the villain, the protagonist becomes the villain in the next instalment.

Seems lame from my perspective, we already did it once in the prequels, having Luke turn evil in the new movies strikes me as a copout, it would basically be a rehash of Anakin's fall perhaps with a different motive. It's not bold, it would just draw comparisons to the prequel trilogy with yet another "good jedi falls to the dark side" that we've seen in just the movies, and a thousand times already in the EU. There's plenty of good plots without falling into one of the most cliche EU storylines out there, seriously, the new Republic EU stuff before it got wiped basically had every jedi and their dog fall to the dark side at least once, everybody wanted to do a vader style redemption arc, doing it again with Luke would just come off as silly.

Despite theuromancers weird head canon he seems to be trying to push as the actual theme of the trilogy and prequels, which I could spend all day poking holes in, Luke turning evil because of some sort of oscillating balance in the force sounds really dumb. Seriously, there is free will in the Star Wars universe, have a quote from Lucas himself:

"This is a world where evil has run amuck. But you have control over your destiny, you have many paths to walk down, and you can choose which destiny is going to be yours."
George Lucas- Time interview (Bill Moyers) 03/05/99

That's just me though, I'm not going to pretend I know what the new movies are going to be like, but another goddamn fallen Jedi arc just doesn't interest me, every hack EU writer for the last 30 years has tried the old "what if X fell to the dark side?" It's old, but I'll take that over the boring political trade debates peppered into the first two prequel movies.

 

[Ukomba]

Why does it feel post-apocalyptic? They make it seem like all knowledge of the original trilogy has been lost and turned to legend in less than 30 years. I don't know, the primary feeling I got from this was loss and sadness, like very thing fell apart after Endor for some reason and they're in some bizarre dark age.

 

[FPLOON]

I'm guessing everything that happens in this trailer happens during the first hour or so of the entire 2+ hour movie...

Other than that, that warp speed...