Stars and Stripes

[WolfThomas]

"The perfect man" has blonde hair and blue eyes? Subtle. No matter how many people try to explain to me otherwise, the whole thing still reeks of beating the Nazis by being better at it than them.

That was the whole point, his creator Jack Kirby was Jewish, the comics industry itself was more Jewish than it is now (and that's saying something). They thought it would be ironic if the perfect man, a super-solider who fits the Aryan ideal, fought the very regime that would want to idealize him. They actually released the comics about a year before the USA entered the war and were criticised as being war-mongering.

Correct me if I'm wrong (Not really up on Marvel lore) but wasn't Nick fury also a potential candidate for the super soldier program that kind of worked but not as well as Steve Rogers? I could have sworn I'd heard of something like this, particularly in the Ultimate universe.

He's supposed to be a heck of a lot older than he looks isn't he?

Fury in regular universe (who is white) uses an anti-aging formula derived from Captain America's super serum, keeps him young minus the physical enhancements. Ultimate Fury is heavily based off Isiah Bradley better known as the Black Captain America, who was a soldier experimented on by the government. Ultimate Fury is physically similar to ultimate Cap, in that he has some degree of super-strength and resilience. Ultimate Cap is genuinely "Super" whereas regular is just "peak human".

I'm hoping for a surprise appearance of Fury in Captain America, but we can only wait and see.

Minor Pet Peeve: Were the Invaders solely an Anglo-American team? No other Allied nation members? Not one Canadian, Australian, Free French, Free Poles, nothing?

The Invaders were primarily a superhero team, so they were mostly American, with a few British characters. The Howling Commandos were also mainly an American squad but had characters from a few different countries including a German defector.

 

[Nashidar]

One question, will the movie end like we all expect it to? You know, frosty?

If Captain America is to become part of the Avengers it can only end one way and that is frosty.

Spoiler

That is - suspended animation

 

[wonkify]

Thanks for the "happyface" digression. Made me grin.

Good on ya, Bob.

 

[LeonardoDaFinchy]

Dayum! Yeah, no matter what country you're from, that is patriotism right there! Switch out the colours and patterns an' stuff, what you have there is someone who does not conform to an ideal, striving towards that ideal, and after achieving that ideal, continueing (sp? idk) the work of that ideal... Brit here, but that was kinda inspiring.

I do hope that the whole "that was Cap back then, here he's cryo-frozen" thing holds up in the crossover film, by which I mean I hope there's an explained reason for bringing him back, as he will be, with a good excuse.

I don't expect exact science, cuz it's fantasy, but something reasonable, like "they fixed it" or summat...

 

[Misho-]

Lol everything is a loooooong story with you, is it Bob? Still, loved the walkthrough altho' I have guessed a lot of things before this trailer. (My friends helped a lot speculating) Also first thing I thought when I saw Rogers in his bike was the other Cap Movie lol.

Also yeah Cap used to use a gun in WW2.

I mean, heroes used to use guns before. Like Batman... He even killed people. Nowadays I don't like comics too much because people won't die, and if they do, it turns out they really didn't. It was a clone, or an alternate future, or he was sent to the past instead of killed...

In a way, that's why I prefer the movies. They pack a bit more punch with the "realistic" take of things like life and death while still being really geek friendly with the sci-fi and stuff.

Can't wait for this movie.

 

[mr_rubino]

"The perfect man" has blonde hair and blue eyes? Subtle. No matter how many people try to explain to me otherwise, the whole thing still reeks of beating the Nazis by being better at it than them.

Patriotism, is of course naturally the main aim and tool of a facist government, which doesn't help. (I'm not saying anyone is facist, just in the same way socialism and aiming for equality among poor people are a sign/aim of communism, extreme patriotism is an aim of facism)

Stopped reading the second paragraph after one word when a sense of familiar dread draped itself over my shoulders, but as to the first, AGAIN YES THAT WAS THE POINT YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST TO NOTICE. He and the space-Moses from DC are two sides of the same coin, ubermenschen created to fight the Nazis using the delicious power of irony.

 

[BrotherRool]

"The perfect man" has blonde hair and blue eyes? Subtle. No matter how many people try to explain to me otherwise, the whole thing still reeks of beating the Nazis by being better at it than them.

That was the whole point, his creator Jack Kirby was Jewish, the comics industry itself was more Jewish than it is now (and that's saying something). They thought it would ironic if the perfect man, a super-solider who fits the Aryan ideal, fought the very regime that would want to idealize him. They actually released the comics about a year before the USA entered the war and were criticised as being war-mongering.

Cheers, I hadn't heard that before.

I'm not sure if I completely get the irony, but I guess the writer was in a better position to judge it than I am