Look for those of you who still think this is unfair, consider this: SOOOO many indi devs are going to see spikes in sales as scammers gobble up whatever the cheapest titles are so they can keep scamming! It's GOOD FOR DEVELOPERS!
Steam restricting accounts which have not spent money
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I'm actually somewhat surprised how much support this has. Imagine the kind of insane shitstorm there would be if this were Origin instead of Steam.
Well, Origin doesn't have as many scammers lurking around, so it doesn't need to implement such a measure. Moreover, Origin doesn't have as much to restrict, either.Tuesday Night Fever said:
If you were suggesting some sort of equivalence, there isn't, really.
As a steam user who has spent several hundreds of dollars on there, I'm in full support of this. I consistently get friend invites from spam accounts that have no steam rank, no games, nothing at all to their account, and they try to scam you out of your account by getting you to log into fake sites under the guise of offering trades with you, I've never been duped but I get new spam friend invites like this almost daily and it's very annoying.
I understand some people who only use Steam for the F2P games may not like this, but Steam is a digital rights management and distribution platform first, and a social messenger second, and I personally feel that the protection of paying consumers from scammers outweighs the inconvenience of F2P users. This is a rather low entry point to be honest, $5 is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things and there's plenty of great deals on games for that price for people to take advantage of.
This seems like a very good method for combatting unscrupulous accounts who just want to scam people out of their account info. I'm not even sure what these scammers do with the accounts, maybe sell them? or sell the items in their inventory for profit? I'm not sure but either way this will dissuade most scam problems that happen through Steam.
I understand some people who only use Steam for the F2P games may not like this, but Steam is a digital rights management and distribution platform first, and a social messenger second, and I personally feel that the protection of paying consumers from scammers outweighs the inconvenience of F2P users. This is a rather low entry point to be honest, $5 is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things and there's plenty of great deals on games for that price for people to take advantage of.
This seems like a very good method for combatting unscrupulous accounts who just want to scam people out of their account info. I'm not even sure what these scammers do with the accounts, maybe sell them? or sell the items in their inventory for profit? I'm not sure but either way this will dissuade most scam problems that happen through Steam.
I don't really like the idea, it will screw over younger kids who don't have any access to disposable income. I suppose Valve doesn't really have much incentive to help out non-paying Steam users, but on the other hand, those kids can become lucrative customers later in life, and perhaps they will be less likely to do so now. On the mutant third hand maybe other users will enjoy and spend more on Steam with less spammers around.
I don't really know, but I do know it's shitty enough to have to play nothing but crappy free 2 play games online all the time in the first place, and this will make it slightly worse.
*Edit* Also, I've never received any spam on Steam, so I can't really comment on that. Surely you only even look at the friend requests of people you've already decided to befriend anyway, though? What difference does more or less random ones you're going to decline make?
I don't really know, but I do know it's shitty enough to have to play nothing but crappy free 2 play games online all the time in the first place, and this will make it slightly worse.
*Edit* Also, I've never received any spam on Steam, so I can't really comment on that. Surely you only even look at the friend requests of people you've already decided to befriend anyway, though? What difference does more or less random ones you're going to decline make?
I believe it's a better business practice to remove the exploit in the system that allows scammers to do this in the first place than to hope everyone is smart enough to know how to screen their incoming friend requests. Not to mention that there's many sources of legitimate friend requests outside of your own circle of friends, steam groups, facebook, online games, etc.Lunncal said:
It's better to make your system foolproof, that's smart customer service.
As to the other issue, there are many alternatives to the steam friend's list for social interaction, many of which are better, the only real advantage is in some F2P games having the ability to queue directly up with friends, again though I think $5 is a low entry point for someone to get access to this feature and players who utilize the social aspects of Steam regularly I can't see being too stingy to go through with that or find a suitable alternative.
I agree.LeathermanKick25 said:
Seems like a potentially better solution would have been to give steam account users the ability to auto-ignore all requests of Steam Level X or lower. Since all spam invites are level 0 this would resolve that problem. Since the USER could set the base level it would make it challenging for a spammer to adjust and work the system.
I support this as well, I don't trade with people and have made that clear to any person who has asked but I still get 3-4 random invites from brand new accounts to trade as well as be friends. It just gets annoying having the little invite thingy pop-up every few minutes and I feel that requiring accounts to spend money before being able to mass spam people is a good idea because I feel it will help decrease spam significantly.
If it is successful at stopping the problem I will somewhat miss the random attempts at friendship. I kinda want to start documenting the names and avatars I get because there is probably a very clear pattern. Most of the time the display name is just a woman's name, and the picture is often some anime character.
I did get one that was pretty funny earlier this week, it was the name "Jessica" but the avatar was a image of a fat white guy that looked like it was stolen from a Let's Play reaction video. Thought that was pretty funny and will miss that sort of thing.
If it is successful at stopping the problem I will somewhat miss the random attempts at friendship. I kinda want to start documenting the names and avatars I get because there is probably a very clear pattern. Most of the time the display name is just a woman's name, and the picture is often some anime character.
I did get one that was pretty funny earlier this week, it was the name "Jessica" but the avatar was a image of a fat white guy that looked like it was stolen from a Let's Play reaction video. Thought that was pretty funny and will miss that sort of thing.
About fucking time. I'm tired of having to cleanse my inbox just because I made another review or such.
This is a godsend for Greenlight in particular. It's not the same as the full-on Q.A. that Valve ought to have been doing on its releases for several years now, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.
Wait... is it just $5 (or more) in your account's entire lifetime? *whew* For a second there, I thought I wouldn't have to support this on principle, alone... Thanks, Skullgirls...
Other than that, I'm now picturing $5 spammers on Steam... *internally laughing throughout*
Other than that, I'm now picturing $5 spammers on Steam... *internally laughing throughout*
I think this is way overkill for the problem they're trying to solve. A group of kids from school can't play TF2 together because they can't add eachother as friends? Talk about innocent people getting caught in the crossfire.
They could make level 0 accounts able to add other level 0 accounts as friends, which would solve that problem. <-- Good idea right there.
But are scammers really that much of a problem? I like the Greenlight prevention thing; that's a good one. Posting comments is good as well; those aren't things that f2p people need to do. But the ability to play with your friends? That's pretty silly.
They could make level 0 accounts able to add other level 0 accounts as friends, which would solve that problem. <-- Good idea right there.
But are scammers really that much of a problem? I like the Greenlight prevention thing; that's a good one. Posting comments is good as well; those aren't things that f2p people need to do. But the ability to play with your friends? That's pretty silly.
Ok, that is a bit shitty. Even gifts don't count. I assumed anything of value would count, as long as it was applied to the account. So gifting, as long as they applied it and didn't drop it into their inventory to be traded later.DoPo said:
Seems they could have loosened the rules, or come up with better ones. I still stand by my original point though, Steam is kinda worthless if you're not buying at least one of those $5 sales at some point. The amount of legitimate customers this will affect will be unfortunate, but negligible.
They're screwing over no-investment accounts, yes. To which I blow a trumpet and call for medals.SonOfVoorhees said:Yay Valve fucking over people as usual.
It doesn't affect any actual customers.
Yes, they are.KenAri said:
There are entire networks of scammers setup to create throwaway accounts, of which are used to send out invites en-mass in an attempt to phish account info and scam people of their inventory items.
And speaking personally, I have to clear my Steam messages of at least a half a dozen spam invites daily.
I used to love seeing that little green number in the upper right of my Steam client window. It used to mean someone sent me a message, or someone I met recently sent an invite, or I got a new item or gift in my inventory. But now? It's almost always some fucking scammer accounts trying to phish for my account.
I fully endorse Valve's decision on this. Anything that drastically hinders scammers and spammers, but at worst presents an almost inconsequential inconvenience to legitimate customers, is fine in my book.