Steam User Finds Misogynistic "Joke" Buried in Dead Island Code [UPDATED]

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SemiHumanTarget

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Totally not cool and yet another reason there definitely need to be more women in the industry.

That said, professional consequences seems a little extreme. The guy f'd up for sure but I don't think this is something that should put his career in jeopardy.
 

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jmarquiso said:
JustaGigolo said:
Believing in equality between genders =/= feminist.

Anyone who labels them self with a gender specific philosophy is just as bad.
Incorrect. The actual definition of feminism is that both genders are treated equally. This HASN'T HAPPENED YET, and females are still at a disadvantage.
Having taken the time to read as much as I can on both sides of the fence. I'm gonna with no. Women are at very least equal if not have it slightly better. Though that thought may be compounded by most feminist sites not siting anything they say with actually solid research.

The only case I could find that had any merit that feminism is tackling is rape cases. But rather than addressing rape objectively they choose to pinpoint in on making it easier to convict. Under the current system if you are accused of rape your pretty well boned. At very least as a man your name will be dragged through the dirt. There has been cases that because of false accusation rape trials men have lost their jobs, Wife, children. All because if you accuse a man of rape in the US even with little to no proof. it gets thoroughly investigated. And since today's gender roles picture men as the aggressor and women as the victim. Being accused of rape is almost as having actually committed a crime. That isn't fair and feminism is pushing to make convicting people even easier??? *sigh* also there are more rapes in US prisons than there is worldwide for women. wouldn't that be an easier case to solve?

Anyway I'm sorry to have gone so far off topic with these posts. As for the OT I find it more amusing that some guy found that code like a day after release than the code actually being there. :p lolz
 

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Deathninja19 said:
Stall said:
Deathninja19 said:
I like how people who say this are men and have never experienced personally misogyny and is probably bitter because women won't sleep with him. Grow up man if you acted a little nicer to women maybe, just maybe you will find someone who will not reject you.
As a rather openly irrelgious person in the American Deep South, I can personally testify that I have been discriminated against, and the victim of "hate speech". And you know what? I don't give a shit. When people seriously call me a heathen or tell me I am going to hell, or say things like "Oh, I used to think so much higher of you before I learned you were an atheist/agnostic/whatever," or "I don't know if I can be friends with you anymore," I don't fucking care. They're just words said by people who I have zero concern with. If I can get past people acting like an asshole towards me for my beliefs, then I think women can get past a few misogynistic jokes every here and there.

Are women and feminist so sensitive that a silly joke in a video game is some how deeply offensive to them? Seriously. Stop making mountains out of molehills. Either laugh at the joke, or move on. It's nothing to get so flustered about.

And just because I don't think misogyny is a problem means women won't sleep with me? What kind of fucking logic is that? Oh right. It's not logic.
No what I was saying is that people who think misogyny doesn't exist or is not a big deal often have problems with women themselves, and since you are commenting on a site that mainly deals with video games I am assuming like most of us here you have been rejected or ignored by women from a young age. That period of development can seriously affect your views on gender roles and probably think that women tend to get certain preferred treatments due to men, including you and me, lusting after them and should have no right to complain when a man commits an act of misogyny. I may be wide of the mark but I doubt it.

But what you seem to forget is that misogyny is not just words like your pathetic discrimination about being an atheist or whatever, misogyny leads to physical abuse, lower pay, intimidation and bullying. And as a so called victim of hate speech at the time I bet you thought that it was a big deal I would think that you would have some sympathy for people who have the same experience. But I guess not, it's almost like you're making up the fact you were persecuted, but why would someone do that?

But screw it I'll never change your mind because you'll never experience true discrimination for what you are or what your skin color is so this is a wasted exercise in futility.
That is pretty low...

1st off let me point a few things out to you. You do NOT get payed less. The gender gap is a myth and has been proven wrong 100 times. Yes on average women get payed less than men. But that is because women favor jobs with flexibility and are less aggressive about asking for pay rises. Also they are much more likely to forsake their career for family than men.

2nd physical abuse is a two way street. It happens to both men and women equally. What doesn't happen equally is the conviction rates for such offenses or any crime in general. Men have on average x3 harsher sentences for the same crimes than women. including men taking up 99% of death row cases. But Feminism which is supposed to be about being equal never brings any of this up.

And 3rd everyone gets bullied and intimidated saying someone elses mistreatment is somehow less than women's just because is kinda lame. Long story short no i do not think women have it worse these days. I also know that in some situations they have it worse than men. but the difference is men dont have a ridiculously active movement pushing their rights.

If you identify as a feminist I'm going to associate you with the feminist movement. Which is blatantly a women's rights movement and couldn't care less about men. If you want equality your backing the wrong boat.

source - http://www.avoiceformen.com/mission-and-values/about/
 

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Who gives a shit about misogyny?
exactly. yahtzee, i believe, said that a truly tolerant society is one where we can mock everyone equally without anyone getting massively offended.
Easy to say when you haven't been the one suffering due to centuries of institutionalized misogyny that affects everything from the way you are expected to act, dress, to the career you can obtain and the rank you can reach, etc.

The problem with things like racism/mysogyny/homophobia/etc isn't just that racist/sexist/homophobic comments are insulting to a group of people (which sucks in its own right, but everyone gets insulted at some point, so no big deal); it's that these insults have been used for centuries as ways of putting groups of people down and painting them as unqualified to do certain things, or too stupid/crazy/weak/perverted/etc to function at the same level as other people who haven't been oppressed as much (mostly white heterosexual males). And by painting them as such, people have justified de facto discrimination for centuries, because these insults evolve into stereotypes which evolve into expectations that people in power can use to judge and oppress those without as much power.

In this example, the term is "feminist whore"; the term "whore" has a centuries-long history of being used to demean women who explore sexual options not considered the norm for females (implying that it's not right for women to sleep around as much as men, that it messes up their purity; something you still see to some degree in society today). So when you call someone a whore, all that connotation goes along with your statement; aside from just accusing the woman of sleeping around, you've used this word that basically implies that this woman has less of a right to do so that any man, that she should be having sex less because it's not right for women to want to have a lot of sex, that purity is being tarnished by her actions, etc. History DOES matter, because people have been using this word to tell women to stop having a lot of (and often any) sex, and it has shaped a society that still, to this day, considers a woman who sleeps around to be worse than a man who sleeps around (hence why there are so many adjectives for a woman who does it, and little to no adjectives for a man who does the same), and forces women to adhere to this constraint accordingly. By continuing to use the word, you still reinforce this history, even if all you want to do is insult the woman for sleeping around (which in and of itself, again, isn't the issue).

By attaching "feminist" to it like an adjective, it appeals to hated stereotypes of feminists (that they're awful mysandrists who don't deserve respect, etc). People think calling someone a feminist whore is funny because for decades most people painted ANY feminist (including the sane ones who actually want equal rights) as women who only want special treatment, who don't deserve to be treated any better than they are now, etc, to the point where when you think of "feminist," this is what you expect to get, even if you've never met one before. Not only that, but when someone says something about women's rights, people start to assume they are feminists, and they anticipate this sort of behavior even before the person has even had a chance to explain that they aren't looking for diminished male rights. That in and of itself is powerful stuff.

I will say that I don't think the example in this article is egregious enough to warrant widespread anguish and anger, and while it was completely unprofessional, I wouldn't say it was necessarily done with mysogynist intentions. HOWEVER, the notion that we can just forget about centuries of history, when that very history still profoundly affects the living conditions of many groups of people who still don't receive equal treatment, is a willingness to be willfully ignorance of the problems they suffer from, and is a cop-out. And just because some of us are privileged enough to be able to forget that history and therefore have the privilege of using these words while forgetting the context from which they arose, not everyone is that lucky, and it's basic human decency to be willing to be at least somewhat sensitive of that.

 

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maybe if he'd just stuck to kitchen duty references then it would've just been considered silly fun (bred from boredom while coding)
 

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tl;dr: The western world is suffering under the problem of wanting to engage in a truly equal society without a neutral starting point to help them understand what the concept they're trying to achieve is or how it can be reached. Rather than address this issue, all the people involved just sit around loudly asserting over each other that they know how to solve the problem. The end.
 

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jmarquiso said:
TheAmazingHobo said:
And this is the reason why you should always clean up your code.
Just take a couple of minutes to take out all the unnecessary whitespaces, breaks, placeholders, sexist jokes, demonic summons and threats against people who always leave the fuckning lab-door open, so everybody can just walk in and steal shit, STEVE.

Voltano said:
That just sounds like a variable name--a variable that inside the code, and nowhere visible in the game when it is running at run-time. I agree that the name could be insulting to women, but are we really bickering about what a programmer/game-designer names their variables in code that is never seen by non-hackers?
Yes, we do, because obviously how we name our variables when we are bored, frustrated, annoyed and/or angry is totally an accurate way to judge us as a person.
Which is why I am OBVIOUSLY a demonic cultist and possibly dyslexic.
It's really just professionalism. Cleaning up code acknowledges that the code is used by everyone in the team, and that may include females that either are hired or will be hired. Leaving unnecessary jokes that may offend someone is just poor judgment.
If those females get offended by everything remotely politcally incorrect they should consider improving their social competence and psychosocial perception [humor].

Archer666 said:
Stall said:
Who gives a shit about misogyny? Besides, isn't there something more important in the world to complain about? Like the actual STATE of Dead Island on Steam instead of some silly little line of code?

The second post on the Steam thread nails it: QQ more.
Yeah, fuck that shit. Women's rights? The only right they have is staying in the kitchen. Hatespeech against women? Please, its not my fault they dress like whores and seem to believe they're equal to a man. Ain't that right, buddy?

And yes, video games are so much important than hateful language against another human being.
Dear sir or madam, please cool down a bit.
There was no hateful language present, just an inside joke.
You are still free to find it, tasteless and inappropriate, of course.

OT: People, this was a joke. You can find it tasteless, sure. But if you honestly get offended by that, you should sit down for 5 minutes and take a look at yourself. You may realize now how easily offended and overreacting you are, and how that makes you look like.

I don't get what is misogynistic about that. It's just an insider joke (hidden in a code, in fact!) with no mean intentions behind it.

Can we move our attention to more important topics now?
 

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I'm buying Dead Island now, who cares. Honestly. It's a line of code and is being made into a huge deal. If something were said about the men which would be considered "offensive", no one would care.
 

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Just the first page of this thread makes me wish being stupid was a bannable offense not just a suspendable one. The only thing funny about this is imagining the reaction of their PR department when they found out about this and the emails sent to the programmer shortly after, it's not a joke it's just somebody calling someone a "feminist whore". Even ignoring how offensive that is it's incredibly unprofessional.
 

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Welp, this thread is just about the most depressing thing I've read all day. Kinda' makes me wonder if I somehow typed the wrong URL and wound up on Kotaku.

Just one thing: those people alleging that feminists wouldn't want to be included in the military because they only want the "good" parts of feminism are either deliberately misleading you for the sake of their argument or are grossly misinformed. Feminists have fought tooth and nail to be permitted into more and more positions in the military, and continue to fight to be permitted onto the front lines. It is the conservatives and chauvinists who resist this.

Nor is everywhere in the world the USA. Here in Canada women in the infantry serve in combat. Both men and women of fighting age are equally eligible for conscription (what you would call the draft). It was one of the most prominent and hardest fought for parts of our own equal rights amendment by feminists back in the 80s. Who tried to block it? Conservatives and anti-feminists.

Difference is, here the feminists won. In the US, they lost.

Get your facts straight, at least, if you're going to allege something completely idiotic.

I'm off to drink. Heavily.
 

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Thus showing us just the kind of sexist jackasses that practically own the gaming industry and the kind of sexist jackasses that are entertained by the aforementioned sexist jackassery (as seen by so many of the comments from the first page). Of course people who don't see the problem and they would derail [http://www.derailingfordummies.com/] this kind of situation because they don't understand oppression, under-representation, and misrepresentation. Most of them are sexist, heterosexual, cis-gendered, Caucasian males or love everything that sexist, heterosexual, cis-gendered, Caucasian males do (either way, they're all men). THAT is YOUR white, male privilege at work. No wonder the gaming industry isn't looked at as an art or is taken seriously. There are so many "jokes" that make it the laughingstock of any entertainment industry. These people can be so philosophically and intellectually impaired. There is so much growing up to do.
 

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minuialear said:
Easy to say when you haven't been the one suffering due to centuries of institutionalized misogyny that affects everything from the way you are expected to act, dress, to the career you can obtain and the rank you can reach, etc.

The problem with things like racism/mysogyny/homophobia/etc isn't just that racist/sexist/homophobic comments are insulting to a group of people (which sucks in its own right, but everyone gets insulted at some point, so no big deal); it's that these insults have been used for centuries as ways of putting groups of people down and painting them as unqualified to do certain things, or too stupid/crazy/weak/perverted/etc to function at the same level as other people who haven't been oppressed as much (mostly white heterosexual males). And by painting them as such, people have justified de facto discrimination for centuries, because these insults evolve into stereotypes which evolve into expectations that people in power can use to judge and oppress those without as much power.

In this example, the term is "feminist whore"; the term "whore" has a centuries-long history of being used to demean women who explore sexual options not considered the norm for females (implying that it's not right for women to sleep around as much as men, that it messes up their purity; something you still see to some degree in society today). So when you call someone a whore, all that connotation goes along with your statement; aside from just accusing the woman of sleeping around, you've used this word that basically implies that this woman has less of a right to do so that any man, that she should be having sex less because it's not right for women to want to have a lot of sex, that purity is being tarnished by her actions, etc. History DOES matter, because people have been using this word to tell women to stop having a lot of (and often any) sex, and it has shaped a society that still, to this day, considers a woman who sleeps around to be worse than a man who sleeps around (hence why there are so many adjectives for a woman who does it, and little to no adjectives for a man who does the same), and forces women to adhere to this constraint accordingly. By continuing to use the word, you still reinforce this history, even if all you want to do is insult the woman for sleeping around (which in and of itself, again, isn't the issue).

By attaching "feminist" to it like an adjective, it appeals to hated stereotypes of feminists (that they're awful mysandrists who don't deserve respect, etc). People think calling someone a feminist whore is funny because for decades most people painted ANY feminist (including the sane ones who actually want equal rights) as women who only want special treatment, who don't deserve to be treated any better than they are now, etc, to the point where when you think of "feminist," this is what you expect to get, even if you've never met one before. Not only that, but when someone says something about women's rights, people start to assume they are feminists, and they anticipate this sort of behavior even before the person has even had a chance to explain that they aren't looking for diminished male rights. That in and of itself is powerful stuff.

I will say that I don't think the example in this article is egregious enough to warrant widespread anguish and anger, and while it was completely unprofessional, I wouldn't say it was necessarily done with mysogynist intentions. HOWEVER, the notion that we can just forget about centuries of history, when that very history still profoundly affects the living conditions of many groups of people who still don't receive equal treatment, is a willingness to be willfully ignorance of the problems they suffer from, and is a cop-out. And just because some of us are privileged enough to be able to forget that history and therefore have the privilege of using these words while forgetting the context from which they arose, not everyone is that lucky, and it's basic human decency to be willing to be at least somewhat sensitive of that.
I agree with you for the most part. It undermines everything feminists have worked hard for and women still haven't come as far as they should in America. To laugh at that and spit it back at their faces is childish and bigoted. Hell, in Germany, they have more rights equal with men and they're a younger country! It's a joke.
 

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i'm actually amazed that company's don't keyword-search their code for things like this before release

actually, gob-smacked is more like it.

and, no i don't think it's funny, but then the ability is sexist in the first place so they deserve all the flak they get for it.

'oh no its a female zombie, i better not hit it too hard because.. it's still only a gurl!'
but its ok to mash the male zombies in the face tho, they deserve it.
really? REALLY ?? LOL at you!
 

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I don't see the big deal. It's a small line of code written by some guy who has a bad sense of humor. Nothing really to get up at arms about. And I'm not just saying that cause I'm a guy. It could go either way and I really wouldn't care about it. Just let people like that think what they want and ignore them. It's not like this is having some huge negative effect.
 

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I'm saddenned and offended that said bigot programmer didn't just type 'Feminazi', which is way more shorter, far more descript, and way more offensive, and thus would make this whole sitation that much more hilarious.
 

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Wow. Well easy to know why females would feel uncomfortable entering the gaming scene. People thinking that using stuff like feminist whore is totally just for lulz. Glad the Escapist doesn't stand for such discrimination and is handing out warnings and bans. A lot of people deserve to be judged for the kind of opinions they hold on this. I think poorly of a lot of these posters. Terrible people.