Stolen Pixels #170: Humans First

TheNumber1Zero

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I really hope we get the choice to kill them in ME3, I really want to eliminate them.
Good comic by the way, thought it was weird how they acted all "Humans before all others" When I cannie remember them ever killing an Asari or a Salarian or something.
 

Ghonzor

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Shamus Young said:
Ell Jay said:
Could one say this group "serves" humankind?
Zing!
Zing indeed.

I have a strong sense that it's becoming increasingly difficult to please everyone in terms of spoilers. Better safe than sorry though I suppose.
 

matrix3509

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Yeah it gets even more confusing if your savegame for ME1 was a Sole Survivor that did all the Cerebus side-quests. "Uhh...wait a tic. Who want me to work for them?"
 

Danny Ocean

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Shamus Young said:
This comic may or may not contain Mass Effect 2 spoilers. Just sayin'.
That has to be the most cringe-worthy pun I've hear all day! *Groan*

I'm not sure I agree with the plot analysis [http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=7004] completely. Most of my complaints are solved in the end though when you acknowledge that all of these holes are likely going to be covered in the third game.

Still I'd like to question! I'll try and spoiler it:

Paraphrasing, of course.
1. Why bother having collector baddies if there are reaper baddies.
They are a long, long way away though. The collector general is just another Saren, and the collectors are just the new geth. Another set of tools for the Reapers to employ, no?

2. Cerberus are evil in the first, grey in this one.
You're right, they never show how Cerberus is doing good in the first game. But then, in the first game you're working for the Alliance, why would you ever see or hear of them doing good?

3.Rebooting Shep. Crew return.
I thought they just did that as an excuse to make you work for Cerberus, no?
And the crew are Cerberus except for a few key characters like Chakwas. S'why Tali and Garrus are reluctant to work with them. Tali's even surprised by how nice they are.

4. Illusive man. Knowledge of and conversation options.
The lack of mention in the first game again appears to me to be intentional. Cerberus isn't really important in the first game, so why would you have heard of their leader?
But I do agree on the conversation options. I think it's because you both know there's nothing you can do about the situation rather than work with eachother.

5. Reapers:
a. Where were they?
b. Did they leave themselves other routes into the galaxy from wherever they are?
c. How long will it take them to get here and how many are there?
d. What happened to their Geth slaves?
e. What drives the cycle of destruction and how did it get started?
I think at least a few of these are answered in ME2.
a. Dark Space between galaxies.
b. Apparently not, as seen in the end cutscene. They've never been defeated before, why would they?
It's also conveyed in the first mass effect that the citadel normally activates itself, but the keepers evolved to only respond to the station, not the vanguard reaper. That's why he had to fly to it.
c. Doesn't really matter, does it? As you say, just two would pwn the galaxy, and a few thousand more years driving time is small compared to the 50,000 years they've been sitting there, isn't it?
d. The Geth are suffering a genocide at the hands of the council, "Mopping up" as Anderson (I think) says.
e. Granted. No idea. I guess that's for the third game.

6. Collectors:
a. Reapers suddenly like flesh now?
b. Where were they in the first game?
c. Master plan is stupid.
a. The reapers believe themselves above organics, but then I consider myself better than the pencil sitting on my desk. They consider them tools, nothing more, I think.

b. Good question. No idea. Maybe they thought that a whole geth armada would be enough, or it would've taken them too long to ftl jump to the citadel.

c. Agreed.

7. Abductions:
a. Why doesn't alliance care?
b. How can't they notice the motherfucking huge ship?!
a. Council states that the terminus systems are beyond their jurisdiction. They might care, but they can't do jack there. As Pressly says, "It's probably just slavers."

b. Yeah this is a good question. Any excuses I can come up with are pure speculation.

And Mordin's bug is a very astute observation. +1 Props. No idea how he got that.

The stuff you say about the endgame I mostly agree with.

8. Final Boss.
a. Organic= Metal... WTF?
b. Why 'reproduce' that way?
c. The point of it?
a,b,c. No idea. Maybe it's a pilot? *shrug*

9. Final Decision
Yeah, I agree with that whole section.

10. Wrapping up:
a. Only one way back. Dumb Reapers.
a. I think it's more arrogance on their part than short-sightedness.

There we go. Done. :)
 

Abedeus

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Danny, allow me to explain some things you didn't know from the spoilered quote.

d. The Geth are suffering a genocide at the hands of the council, "Mopping up" as Anderson (I think) says.
Don't forget about the quarian homeworld, which is currently the planet of Geth. Also, not sure if you can use "genocide" when it's a machine.

a. The reapers believe themselves above organics, but then I consider myself better than the pencil sitting on my desk. They consider them tools, nothing more, I think.

b. Good question. No idea. Maybe they thought that a whole geth armada would be enough, or it would've taken them too long to ftl jump to the citadel.
Well, about a...
Reapers reproduct by mixing machines with DNA of a species, for instance - humans, as seen at the end of ME2.

And b - They were in the Terminus Systems, helping slavers capture all kinds of creatures.

8. Final Boss.
a. Organic= Metal... WTF?
b. Why 'reproduce' that way?
c. The point of it?
a. Boss was organic + metal.
b. Probably they have some way of "fueling" themselves by using liquidized human DNA. I mean, Saren is thousands of years old - and he survived without refueling or something? Reapers themselves last over 50000 years and even if they hibernate to conserve power, no known substance can provide power for such a long time. Notice - no KNOWN power. The race of Reapers is probably counted in millions, or maybe even billions, they developed all the wonders of the modern (ME's) galaxy, who knows what else they created?
c. Well, a human Reaper would be extremely powerful. At least, that's what the Reapers controlling the Collectors think - if humans defeated Saren and Sovereign, they must be strong. Might as well use them.

b. Yeah this is a good question. Any excuses I can come up with are pure speculation.

And Mordin's bug is a very astute observation. +1 Props. No idea how he got that.
b. FTL travel and Reaper technology. Don't forget, ship you meet later (after the first cutscene) was severely damaged by the turrets on the colony you visit, where you see Ashley/Kaiden.

About the bug - I have an explanation. If you want a Paragon, when Mordin Solus first gets onto your ship, and you stop him with the Paragon action, not the Renegade one, Shepard will say they have managed to get some samples from the colony, the one where Veetor and Tali were found.

And about the Final Choice - apparently, the action you take and whether it's a good thing to do or bad depends... on your character's main choice.

Paragon:

a) Destroying the base means Cerberus cannot use it for evil
b) Keeping it means helping the galaxy against the Reaper threat.

Renegade:

a) Destroying the base - rebellion against the Cerberus, or wasting a great chance to defeat Reapers.
b) Keeping it means obeying Cerberus and all its orders and helping them (maybe in ME3...) use the weapon to make humanity stronger.

The fact is - your crewmates are mad at you if you keep the base, either because they are alien and Cerberus gets the Reaper technology, or they are mad because they worked for Cerberus and don't like their boss losing a valuable asset.
 

Barnabus

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Shamus has ruined my life. I DIDN'T WANT TO KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! Maybe I should go buy the game now.
 

Darktau

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Shamus Young said:
Ell Jay said:
Could one say this group "serves" humankind?
Zing!
You mind if I use this as an excuse for when I get suspended for a low content post? :D

OT: YAY! ME2 Comics! (And bring back the man boobs)
 

RJ Dalton

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Heh heh. Kinda like how PETA kills more animals than all the animal shelters in the US combined.
 

Orzene

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All I had to do was watch the trailers and it was as if I had already played the game, considering how many spoilers are in the ACTUAL TRAILERS FOR THIS GAME!!... Sure, names aren't exposed, but seriously... not that hard to figure out, kids. ;D