Stormcloaks are too mainstream.
- Thread starter Evil Top Hat
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But hammerfell still fights the Dominion and they are winning. Why can't Skyrim do the same thing? I mean the only reason the Empire is giving stormcloaks such a hard time is because they already had set up bases already. If both Empire and Thalmor are truely kick out then I'm sure Skyrim can be held off fully. Empire most likely get involve again, and the Dominion have to invade on their own. And they have forces already in two different places, a thrid will be hard.xxcloud417xx said:
Find me a source that says Hammerfell is winning against the Dominion. I find it really hard to believe considering the major Ass-Kicking they gave the empire to force it into submission. I mean, you hear about it all over in Skyrim how the Empire got raped by the Aldmeri Dominion.Outcast107 said:
Edit:xxcloud417xx said:
4E 175 ? Hammerfell leaves the Empire after rejecting the White-Gold Concordat.
Titus II renounces Hammerfell as a province of the Empire to preserve the treaty after the Redguards oppose ceding their lands. The Redguards see this as a betrayal, and a lasting bitterness between Hammerfell and the Empire is sown to the delight of the Thalmor. Hammerfell continues to war with the Aldmeri Dominion for the next five years.
4E 180 ? The Second Treaty of Stros M'kai is signed.
Having been fought to a standstill by the Redguards, the Aldmeri Dominion completely withdraws from Hammerfell.
Here you go. From a Skyrim wiki. I'm pretty sure there a book about this as well in Skyrim somewhere. But yeah, after the Empire gave up hammerfell, they continue the war and got the Dominion kick out of Hammerfell. Though I'm sure the Dominion will try again.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Hammerfell
I'm pro Stormcloack because they never decided to behead me because my name wasn't on the list.
I haven't done any of their missions yet but I am freeing every one of them I come across being escorted by imperials.
I haven't done any of their missions yet but I am freeing every one of them I come across being escorted by imperials.
Reading over this, I notice that no-one has really pointed out that which I think is a pretty obvious flaw with Ulfric. He killed the last High-King.
Now, I don't care if it was murder or a fair challenge, it's not on, you can't do that. From what I gather, the High-King has to be elected by the other Jarls (a vote of confidence type thing). Now, Ulfric basically said, "Screw that!" Why would he say that? I say, because he realised his case was too weak to convince the Jarls against the current High-King, so he forced them to choose between him and the much weaker wife of the High-King.
And his justification? "If he can't defend himself, he can't defend his people." Which is an incredibly fucked up piece of logic.
Now, I don't care if it was murder or a fair challenge, it's not on, you can't do that. From what I gather, the High-King has to be elected by the other Jarls (a vote of confidence type thing). Now, Ulfric basically said, "Screw that!" Why would he say that? I say, because he realised his case was too weak to convince the Jarls against the current High-King, so he forced them to choose between him and the much weaker wife of the High-King.
And his justification? "If he can't defend himself, he can't defend his people." Which is an incredibly fucked up piece of logic.
I still doubt that Ulfric's Rebellion could match an organized Redguard army though. I think the Thalmor would still give them a severe beatdown. I mean, Redguards are some of tamriel's greatest warriors and swordsmen. Odd though that the Redguards could stop the Thalmor in Hammerfell but not during their initial Assault on the Empire. Maybe another factor that lead to the Thalmor's draw with the redguards is the fact that they had exhausted themselves fighting the empire proper? If that is the case, the Thalmor will now have had plenty of time to regain their strength and recuperate their losses. Which does not bode well for any enemy of theirs.Outcast107 said:
Also, considering that the domnion forces were almost completely destroyed during the Battle of the Red Rings makes this scenario even more plausible.
Dagon can't return to Tamriel. Emperor Martin destroyed the Amulet of Kings and killed Dagons physical form, Dagon still survives in Oblivion but cannot return as he cannot manifest himself physically. He can speak and command through his shrines but is unable to physically get to Tamriel. The dragonfires where there to hold back Dagon and stop the daedra but the events at the end of Oblivion severed the link between Tamriel and Oblivion meaning no more gates to Oblivion can be opened.xxcloud417xx said:
But Ulfric still has a hugely short sighted plan, something he fails to factor in is that many of the Nords in Skyrim don't want to be independent and believe that the Empire is a good thing. Ulfrics ethos is 'You are with me or against Skyrim' as if he decides what everyone in Skyrim wants.
I wasn't aware that the amulet was physically destroyed and nor that Dagon's Physical form was too. I assumed that Daedra could die in the physical realm but reincarnate themselves through other means again at a later time (like centuries later kinda thing). Don't ask where I got this notion from since I don't know, I read a lot of fantasy novels and relish in the lore of many fantasy games so it could be from any of that. Where is this info from, I'd like to read it? I don't know nearly as much as I would like about Daedra.JaceValm said:
I went with imperials. They are much more better punch of people than stormcloaks.
I mean Ulfric is total racist of all things, whats more he is doing exactly what Thalmor wanted him to do, and doesn't even realise that he is unwilling puppet of those he so much hates.
Thalmor will invade empire eventually or empire will invade Thalmor, only way for empire to survive it will most likely debend if empire is still whole. Pragmatism.
Even though Empire tried to kill you at the start, I see imperials as a good guys in this conflict. Ulfric seems to be just a power hungry manchild who cares most about himself.
I mean Ulfric is total racist of all things, whats more he is doing exactly what Thalmor wanted him to do, and doesn't even realise that he is unwilling puppet of those he so much hates.
Thalmor will invade empire eventually or empire will invade Thalmor, only way for empire to survive it will most likely debend if empire is still whole. Pragmatism.
Even though Empire tried to kill you at the start, I see imperials as a good guys in this conflict. Ulfric seems to be just a power hungry manchild who cares most about himself.
Well also look the terrain of the three areas. Skyrim is cold, mountainous area. Hammerfell is a desert like area, and Cyrodiil is a nice forest like area. So fighting in Cyrodiil is pretty easy. While hammerfell and skyrim are very rough terrain and unfamiliar to the Dominion.xxcloud417xx said:
Also the Empire actually did hurt the Dominion a lot and the only reason the Empire sign the treay because they thought they would lose. If they continue to fight they probably would have won.
Peace treaty? What peace treaty?
I just stormed windhelm with the imperial army, ending in Ulfric's head off his shoulders and his clothes in my wardrobe. Peace is for pussies.
I'm imperial, mostly because I'm an Argonian, but also because the Stormcloaks are incompetent dicks.
I walked into the hall of kings on my first playthrough, overheard Ulfric's rant about overthrowing the jarl of whiterun and walked out again because something about his way of reuniting skyrim seemed a bit fishy.
I did, however kill every single thalmor agent I met on my journey. I even slaughtered an entire castle of them just north of dragonbridge and west of solitude. (Though in the process I freed some stormcloak rebels, but whatever. An enemy of the thalmor is a friend of mine I guess)
'cause high elves(at least the thalmor) are nazis. Also I liked their clothes, and I wanted them for myself.
And btw: It's not just windhelm that's a mess. All of skyrim seems to be in disarray. Every fort and city (especially whiterun, solitude is an exception) seems to be falling apart, whilst a team of five masons working every day on the walls could fix it in a matter of months. Are the jarls really that poor? Or are they just that lazy?
Not to mention all the bandit/necromancer-filled fortresses and wathtowers that dot the landscape.
I just stormed windhelm with the imperial army, ending in Ulfric's head off his shoulders and his clothes in my wardrobe. Peace is for pussies.
I'm imperial, mostly because I'm an Argonian, but also because the Stormcloaks are incompetent dicks.
I walked into the hall of kings on my first playthrough, overheard Ulfric's rant about overthrowing the jarl of whiterun and walked out again because something about his way of reuniting skyrim seemed a bit fishy.
I did, however kill every single thalmor agent I met on my journey. I even slaughtered an entire castle of them just north of dragonbridge and west of solitude. (Though in the process I freed some stormcloak rebels, but whatever. An enemy of the thalmor is a friend of mine I guess)
'cause high elves(at least the thalmor) are nazis. Also I liked their clothes, and I wanted them for myself.
And btw: It's not just windhelm that's a mess. All of skyrim seems to be in disarray. Every fort and city (especially whiterun, solitude is an exception) seems to be falling apart, whilst a team of five masons working every day on the walls could fix it in a matter of months. Are the jarls really that poor? Or are they just that lazy?
Not to mention all the bandit/necromancer-filled fortresses and wathtowers that dot the landscape.
The Nords just want self-government and independence from the empire and other races' influence. If that's "racist" then maybe racism isn't the problem, here.Evil Top Hat said:
I'm definitely supporting Stormcloaks... the empire seems to be in a state of decline in the fourth era.
As Luke Skywalker once said "The Rebels killed my father, long live the Empire!"
Yes they are racist, and yes their are reason that they should not be supported. But the Empire outlawed a religion, arresting and executing individuals who prayed to Talos, this religious bigotry does not out weight the racial bigotry, but the Empire is not all fluffy bunnies.
Yes they are racist, and yes their are reason that they should not be supported. But the Empire outlawed a religion, arresting and executing individuals who prayed to Talos, this religious bigotry does not out weight the racial bigotry, but the Empire is not all fluffy bunnies.
Maybe it is me being American, but being opposed to multiculturalism is very stupid and has racist undercurrents.Octogunspunk said:
"Nords" don't want this.Octogunspunk said:
Stormcloaks want this, and their way of doing it is to force Dunmer that have lived in Skyrim for ages to live in slums, and argonians to do menial job that they don't want to do for slave wages and force them to live outside walls and their protection.
You have noticed that other races aren't treated nearly as badly outside Stormcloak cities. Whiteruns Jarl even have dunmer house carl.
I never seen anyone be against multiculture but the Empire. Going into another land and telling the nords that they can't worship their main god. That their traditions are meaningless. I mean how can you blame the Storm Cloaks for this but forgive the Empire for doing the same thing?RedEyesBlackGamer said:
yes true, the the nords are a bit racist, but at least they arn't gathering all the non-nords up to be killed off. They are letting them stay in the city and live. Sure the low drunks are giving them trouble but their just the lowly drunks.
What does the empire do? Go out and kidnap people and kill them. How is that not worst then what the StormCloaks are doing. Which seem to be just just harassing the non-nords.