Student Protest

[DirgeNovak]

I mean as far as i know no ones been hurt and the most violent thing i saw was window smashing and its gotten the nations attention, unlike every other "peaceful" protest so maybe something will now be done.
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p.s just to state its important to remember there have been no serious injuries, obviously very violent protests are always wrong

Breaking stuff to voice your protest is wrong, period. If there was vandalism, it wasn't a "peaceful" protest. Your there have been no serious injuries argument is totally retarded.

 

[Danny Ocean]

Why should you be rewarded and pay less for your education just because you picked an unmarketable degree?

I would think we would want to encourage people to take degrees that would get them a job, not the other way around.

Rewarded? You think that's how I'll see it?

Perhaps that IS how it should be. If I pick a degree that gives me poor job prospects, why should I have to pay as much as the chemical engineer who goes on to earn millions, while I'm stuck teaching others because I chose to do a course that I enjoyed rather than what was profitable? Why stifle academia like that? Surely I should be compensated?

And before you say that you shouldn't be compensated for a concious decision: People are compensated for concious decisions all the time. The compensation isn't always monetary, but it's there.

Proportionally: am I not paying the same amount, anyway?

Also, should we direct all education just to getting jobs? Should we neglect the humanities like English and Art and other such unprofitable subjects? Should we just focus on the sure fire sciences, maths, and business degrees?

 

[Legendsmith]

I think you will all find this video very interesting.

I had no idea about these protests. Now that I do, I'd say I support them.
Everyone should have the right to a good education, not just those who can afford it.
Though most of the time non-violent protest is more effective.

I agree. But I think that a good education is hard to get even if you have the money. (Watch that youtube video).

 

[DrCalgori]

That's bullshit. How the fuck am I supposed to pay off £9000? I'm not surprised they rioted. Hell, I would have done the same, regardless of whether or not it's violent.

The same way foreigners have been doing it, get a godamn job part time and pay off the stupidly large loan you'd have to take in the first place. That, or work and save up before you go to uni. Don't forget, international uni fee's are 10K a year already and for people that don't earn british pounds its a ridiculous amount. It (as always) favours the rich and brackets out the poorer countries.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

Oh joy, I cannot wait...especially studying Journalism so I'm not getting away from it.

I'm not sure, what did it say? Might jog my memory

"Can't afford to waste talent."

It was fucking heavy.

Hmm I'm afraid that doesn't really ring a bell, sorry man...good to see another Escapist that stands up though. *Salute*

 

[Chechosaurus]

Take a look through history and you'll be astounded by how many revolutions begin with student demonstrations like this one. I don't hold out much hope though seeming as my generation is pretty shit but I like to dream. I'm all for it and the more fire extinguishers thrown out of windows onto cars the better.

Yeah, like a massive revolution would be started by a bunch of idiots being pissed about raised tuitions...

Look at the Hungarian Uprising 1956. That all began when students protested about changes to their curriculum and ended with a second Soviet invasion.

How about the fire extinguisher thrown onto the police officers from the roof?

And I repeat my self: The more fire extinguishers thrown out of windows onto cars the better.

Until it's your car, obviously. And why do we, of all the fat, complacent people, need a revolution? I can think of a hundred countries that need a revolution, Britain is not one.

It's a small price to pay for a revolution. Also, just because were are complacent doesn't mean we don't need a revolution. Our country may not be the worst but we do put up with far too much shit. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and our "Democratically" elected government seems determined to dick all over the working and middle classes. Sure, they say it is for practical reasons but it's all ingrained in their ideology and is doomed to fail, sending us further down the drain. Cutting 25% from every public sector is not the only way to reduce our deficit but the Tories don't believe in public ownership and they just want to privatise everything. The political parties we have to choose from are Labour (They haven't represented the working class since 1979). The Liberal Democrats (Sell outs and liars). And the Conservatives (Archaic and imperialistic). What is it about our country that DOESN'T need to change? As we slide down into the big brother state that is forming around us and the bourgeois government speaks about the 'deserving poor' whilst desperately trying to keep everyone who didn't go to a private school out of university. It is actions like those of the students that show the government that they should not be so complacent and that they can't just screw everyone over. If all it achieved was that, then I salute them because at least they did something. Everyone else just stood by and watched (including myself) rather than taking action for something that we believe in and for that, we should all be ashamed. Every country in the modern world could do with some sort of radical change for the better.

 

[DSK-]

That's bullshit. How the fuck am I supposed to pay off £9000? I'm not surprised they rioted. Hell, I would have done the same, regardless of whether or not it's violent.

The same way foreigners have been doing it, get a godamn job part time and pay off the stupidly large loan you'd have to take in the first place. That, or work and save up before you go to uni. Don't forget, international uni fee's are 10K a year already and for people that don't earn british pounds its a ridiculous amount. It (as always) favours the rich and brackets out the poorer countries.

I've already been to uni and am going back in January (if I can get my tuition fee loan). I currently work part-time, and have done in the same job for the past 4 years during college and the last 2 years at university.

I already owe something around the wrong side of £12,000 for the 2 years of uni I have already done. I really don't like oweing money to anybody.

To be honest your reply was rather irksome, however I do understand your point in regards to foreigners wanting to study here.

 

[SmokingMirrors]

I'd notice the british governments attitude as of late has become quite cold toward its populace, or is that just me? Forced labor for the unemployed, increased costs for higher education..

But onto the matter at hand; I can't say if this were to neccesarily be good or bad just yet though I doubt britains politicians would take such measures if they didn't believe it to serve some purpose and eventually benefit the monarchy.

Regardless the students have the right to protest, but their violent behavior isn't exactly going to help their cause in the eyes of those who are for the change and / or those who have as of yet remained neutral in the matter.

 

[bfgmetalhead]

to be honest I think the increases in fees is a HUDGE mistake and also the torys don't give a damb about the non-rich "excuse me david but there seems to be a 50,000 strong protest outside" david:"meh" the 'violence' is justifed as the goverment is being bias and toying with peoples future's, also peacefull protest is great but rarely does anything it usually ends in three ways

1.ignored and forgotten 2.shut down by an oppressing government
3.get minor attention and causes a slight change if your lucky

 

[Bobic]

How about the fire extinguisher thrown onto the police officers from the roof?

And I repeat my self: The more fire extinguishers thrown out of windows onto cars the better.

Police officers aren't cars.

 

[Chechosaurus]

How about the fire extinguisher thrown onto the police officers from the roof?

And I repeat my self: The more fire extinguishers thrown out of windows onto cars the better.

Police officers aren't cars.

My mistake. I miss-read that. Any way, it landed on a car, not an officer. Either way, I can see that we clearly have VERY different views on this matter.

 

[Bobic]

How about the fire extinguisher thrown onto the police officers from the roof?

And I repeat my self: The more fire extinguishers thrown out of windows onto cars the better.

Police officers aren't cars.

My mistake. I miss-read that. Any way, it landed on a car, not an officer. Either way, I can see that we clearly have VERY different views on this matter.

Why yes we do, but what would be the point in a debate if we both had the same views?

 

[Chechosaurus]

How about the fire extinguisher thrown onto the police officers from the roof?

And I repeat my self: The more fire extinguishers thrown out of windows onto cars the better.

Police officers aren't cars.

My mistake. I miss-read that. Any way, it landed on a car, not an officer. Either way, I can see that we clearly have VERY different views on this matter.

Why yes we do, but what would be the point in a debate if we both had the same views?

To be honest, I just didn't really have anything else to say. I accepted the error that I made and that was that. I was just looking for a way to finish really. Happy?

Don't like the parties...start a new one. If you have something of value to say, you will get elected. Or do you honestly believe we should be governed by the biggest bully on the block - because change by violent revolution is just that.

I certainly don't have the capacity to form my own political party and run an election campaign to get my self into office. Not many people do. I am merely voicing my opinion on what is wrong with this country. I am not a revolutionary or a politician but I am entitled to an opinion. Furthermore, by saying 'If you have something of value to say, you will get elected' is just not true. Well at least not in so few words. Politics is a complicated thing and our electoral system doesn't help the process. You can't win an election on words alone. Some people will always be stuck in their views no matter how wrong they are. That is not to say that I am right and everyone else is wrong but if someone provided me with irrefutable truth that a constitutional monarchy was without a doubt the best way to run a country, I would still not agree with it on a fundamental level.

Ah still ducking I see.

And still ducking what exactly? I made my point and then accepted my error. I'm not asking any of you to agree with me.

 

[Bobic]

How about the fire extinguisher thrown onto the police officers from the roof?

And I repeat my self: The more fire extinguishers thrown out of windows onto cars the better.

Police officers aren't cars.

My mistake. I miss-read that. Any way, it landed on a car, not an officer. Either way, I can see that we clearly have VERY different views on this matter.

Why yes we do, but what would be the point in a debate if we both had the same views?

To be honest, I just didn't really have anything else to say. I accepted the error that I made and that was that. I was just looking for a way to finish really. Happy?

Ah still ducking I see.

And still ducking what exactly? I made my point and then accepted my error. I'm not asking any of you to agree with me.

Why yes I'm ecstatic.

Although I am enraged about you quoting me with things I didn't say

 

[FolkLikePanda]

I think the whole violence bit was an over-reaction but I'll agree that they shouldn't raise uni prices, if they do then they should also increase foreign student uni prices. Then again with the violence bit I am hoping to go to Uni in 2 years and my family aren't rich at all, so...

 

[AngloDoom]

I think England treats it's youth like the enemy, and generalises them in a way that's ridiculous if you put it in any other form. "All youth are yobs" makes sense, but not "all Asian's known kung-fu"

I also thought that things were getting better, and that 'yobbo youths' were disappearing from the media. Now, what are considered the most intelligent of 'young' people went around and broke into shit, smashed up cars, and set fire to shit for the sake of doing it. No-one believed in the cause that much to start a fight, in my opinion.

In my opinion, this protest was a failure.

 

[Ham_authority95]

It's a small price to pay for a revolution. Also, just because were are complacent doesn't mean we don't need a revolution. Our country may not be the worst but we do put up with far too much shit. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and our "Democratically" elected government seems determined to dick all over the working and middle classes. Sure, they say it is for practical reasons but it's all ingrained in their ideology and is doomed to fail, sending us further down the drain. Cutting 25% from every public sector is not the only way to reduce our deficit but the Tories don't believe in public ownership and they just want to privatise everything. The political parties we have to choose from are Labour (They haven't represented the working class since 1979). The Liberal Democrats (Sell outs and liars). And the Conservatives (Archaic and imperialistic). What is it about our country that DOESN'T need to change? As we slide down into the big brother state that is forming around us and the bourgeois government speaks about the 'deserving poor' whilst desperately trying to keep everyone who didn't go to a private school out of university. It is actions like those of the students that show the government that they should not be so complacent and that they can't just screw everyone over. If all it achieved was that, then I salute them because at least they did something. Everyone else just stood by and watched (including myself) rather than taking action for something that we believe in and for that, we should all be ashamed. Every country in the modern world could do with some sort of radical change for the better.

If you want social upheaval so badly, than why don't you get away from the computer and do something?

 

[Lexodus]

How about the fire extinguisher thrown onto the police officers from the roof?

And I repeat my self: The more fire extinguishers thrown out of windows onto cars the better.

Police officers aren't cars.

My mistake. I miss-read that. Any way, it landed on a car, not an officer. Either way, I can see that we clearly have VERY different views on this matter.

Why yes we do, but what would be the point in a debate if we both had the same views?

You're both wrong here. The car was at the Lib Dem HQ, and the fire extinguisher was thrown off the roof, and didn't hit ANYTHING.

 

[Bobic]

How about the fire extinguisher thrown onto the police officers from the roof?

And I repeat my self: The more fire extinguishers thrown out of windows onto cars the better.

Police officers aren't cars.

My mistake. I miss-read that. Any way, it landed on a car, not an officer. Either way, I can see that we clearly have VERY different views on this matter.

Why yes we do, but what would be the point in a debate if we both had the same views?

You're both wrong here. The car was at the Lib Dem HQ, and the fire extinguisher was thrown off the roof, and didn't hit ANYTHING.

I said the roof, I also said it was thrown AT the police, not that it hit anyone. It is, after all, the thought that counts.

 

[Last Valiance]

You notice it's only the tabloids that call it a "riot"; all the non-biased papers still call it a protest. Fucking propaganda.