Students suspended, expelled over Facebook posts

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kurupt87

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Didn't notice this post at first, sorry for the double but I wanted to reply to this too.
ender214 said:
Is the school not at all concerned at all that the terms "pedophile" and "rapist" were used? Usually if a student is merely angry with a teacher for something, terms like "retarded" or "*****" or "asshole" might be used. To specifically imply being amoral in a sexual nature would raise some flags for me if I was a member of the the school administration.
That's precisely why the punishments are so strict. The kids know that using these insults, implying that the teacher is a paedophile and rapist, is huge. They're career ending implications if they are even suspected of being true.

Not forgetting, of course, the whole "boy who cried wolf" argument.

The insults are severe enough that they can't just be swept under the rug, especially now with media interest. Either the children have to be severely punished or the teacher has to go, there is no half way in this.
 

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What a cynic calls justice.

It was certainly free speech, at least by my estimation.

Free speech is free speech. what we are looking at here is people unable to accept the reprimands of what they spoke freely.
 

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imnotparanoid said:
Wait so this isn't covered by free speech but the wbc is?
Whats up with you at the moment America?
It's ok to claim someone is a childmolester/rapist? In print? Not a fucking chance, not without some kind of evidence. You're getting pretty badly sued if you aren't careful.
 

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Corpse XxX said:
Serves the students right... Beeing jerks like that towards people trying to feed them knowledge in life..

Teachers don't have an easy job, and putting up with all the shit some students do makes me wonder why they even bother trying..

Yeah, it can often seem like teachers are beeing outright a-holes, but thats usually your own fault for fucking things up in the first place..

If you treat them right, they will treat you right..
Dude, i've had teachers get pissed off with me for getting everything right. Teachers can be dicks just like the next guy.

OT:

Its the internet, I insult people all the time on there. Doesn't mean anyones going to take it seriously. Moreover, how the hell did the school find out?
 

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WHY?

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Why suspend and expel?

What the hell happened to Freedom of Speech?

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After all the stories about facebook people still so these things :D

No the things you post online are not private, ever.
Yes you can and will suffer the consequences for them, maybe years or decades later because it will all still be there.
And especially don't slander anyone in a direct power position over you.
 

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This is why a friend of mine is on facebook under a different name. It's so that his teachers can't see what he gets up to. You would think that those kids would have done that before accusing the teacher of being a rapist and a pedophile. Those kinds of comments are the kinds of things that ruin lives. It's better that they learn now, rather than later on down the line when they could get sued for slander if they posted something like this on Facebook about their boss. (Actually, I am suprised that the teacher in question hasn't sued yet, unless he is trying to keep a low profile and wait for this to blow over)
 

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For the record once again, free speech means you can't be censored by the government. Here is the actual text: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

You'll notice that in there it in no way hints you are allowed to say anything without any consequences. The WBC ruling under the First Amendment is frankly a miscarriage of justice. People have the right to say whatever they want, but they are also held accountable and responsible for what they say. If you shout 'fire' in a crowded theater, you are causing a dangerous public disturbance. This is not protected by free speech. If you are accusing someone of a crime without any basis of evidence, this is also not protected by free speech. What these children did is libel, which is a crime. Expulsion is a bit extreme, but some suspension for putting out unfounded rumors because they were angry deserves at least some punishment. And the only real punishment the school has is suspension here, unless they want to press charges against them.
 

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I'm sorry, but WHAT? Kids my age (12-15) tend not to say wise things, especially on Facebook. Yeah, we make mistakes. But suspension and getting expelled? That's a bit of overkill right there. Possibly the teacher in question gave the kids bad grades, or something other than that which pissed them off. Though there might be some base to their claims- the teacher might have harassed them, slapping their butt- disgusting stuff like that. But then again, we tend to fling around quite hurtful insults like a monkey with a bowel disorder. Chances are, the teacher is perfectly respectable. But back to the discussion: I'm disgusted with the zero-tolerance policy adopted by the schools nowadays. I may offend some people by saying this, but I've found modern schools akin to the fascist countries of WWII. People who speak up in the schools- whether to protest the system, to push for better schooling, for us to open our minds- are punished without mercy, while the districts push their own ideas onto us- like "Evolution hasn't been proved yet, so it can't have happened! Obviously in WWII, all of the Germans were bad guys rather than ordinary citizens! Etc." I've heard those things taught, and it's all bullcrap. Meanwhile, the true criminals are running loose- kids who physically harm others, sexually harass members of the opposite gender, people who say goddamn disgusting things about other people for fun. I've seen those things happen- none brought to justice, the establishment saying "We're not responsible for it." I've seen a kid cry due to the ravaging insults flung at him, and the teachers telling us to "figure it out ourselves".

This is just one more step towards free speech being demolished in the U.S, for it to become a hollow shell of itself- to still exist in the constitution, but heavily restricted to the point of invisibility.

Godspeed to those kids, as hopefully they'll be able to get their lives turned around.
 

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Yeah they shouldn't have been calling him pedophile or rapist, they should've been calling him facebook stalker.

Still, it's not as bad as the 11 year old getting arrested for the offensive stickmen drawing.
 

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Why would a teacher Friend a pupil on Facebook. That's kinda Pedo-y.

I've heard Facebook's getting shut-down (Just a rumor, don't quote me), and if it's getting kid's expelled, I think it's for the best.
 

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This reminds me of the time when I got a day's suspension at school because I complained in my status about how much I hated one of my classes since the teacher is a *****.
How did they find out?
A kid's facebook that was left on a library computer and they decided to scroll through it. I didn't even know that teachers were allowed to do that kind of stuff! >.>
Honestly, teachers complain about students and students complain about teachers. Everyone needs to chill about these kinds of things.
 

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It really isn't about the teacher's "reputation" (which by the sounds of it, is REALLY bad already) it's about the use of Free Speech over the internet. Yes, anyone can read it, but this almost makes you realize the spread and effects of your truths, and how far a lie reaches. Public Education is a DIRECT relationship between our federal gov't. and the young, impressionable, indoctrinatable, children of America. Punishing them for saying what they think or are uncomfortable with is ever so close to fascist. I don't care what they called him/her, it's an idea that, under our U.S. Constitution, is free to "hurt the feelings of" others as much as it likes. Anything you say is "hate speech" to somebody, but it is still free speech too. You cannot regulate what people say, over the internet or otherwise, no matter how much you disagree. I, personally, almost have to congratulate these students for being brave enough to break the barrier between free speech for all, and free speech for what is "accepted."
 

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This is why I don't use sites like that. I want to be carefree in my slander! You really have to tailor yourself online, to an extent where it almost isn't worth it.
 

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Considering how often kids get suspended for stuff they do online, I'm surprised anyone's foolish enough to slag a teacher online.

Not saying it's right, but it's become increasingly common for schools to extend their power to your online life, even if you're off school grounds at the time.

one kid at my old high school a couple years ago got suspended for a letter to the editor. Glad that wasn't policy when I was a student there. Two or three of my LTEs were specifically about the school.
 

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I can't understand some people defending them by saying its only facebook. If I walked down the street with a big sign saying You are a pedophile, people are going to see it, the same applies to Facebook.

Even an allegation against a Teacher/professor can ruin their career/life. Its just completely stupid to do something like given the current culture/views towards pedophiles, I mean seriously I would not have been suprised to hear the that guy had been attacked, the people attacking him would not have any proof but because someone said it they would assume that a completely innocent person was indeed a pedophile. Did they think about the consequences? No they did not, do they deserve to be punished yes they do.
 

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JourneyThroughHell said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Didn't really notice WBC doing any of that. But I wasn't paying attention.

They're really only saying that "God hates so and so", right?
Actually, the WBC also go on to celebrate certain individual's deaths. They also tried (and failed) to have tombstones set up in public places celebrating said individuals' "entry into hell".
 

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Is that even legal?

To suspend a student for out of school actvity. I swear to god I would raise hell if this happened to me, or if as a teacher I was displened for something I did out of school with facebook.
 

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You need to have a filter on Facebook, or you aren't going to do that, make your account private.