Study "Strongly" Links Gaming With Kids' Poor Attention Spans

DarkHourPrince

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I find this hard to imagine since I"ve played games since I was a small child and have a perfectly good attention span. If gaming destroys the attention span of children, then what about the mass amount of kids in my honors classes with 3.5 GPAs that were avid gamers as children as well? If it's supposedly detrimental to attention span then hypothetically we shouldn't have been able to pay attention long enough to get those sort of grades.
 

tautologico

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Kwil said:
Ahahaahah.. this thread is hilarious.

A thread about gamers being more likely to have ADHD is filled with people who couldn't muster their attention long enough to read the whole half-page article where the researcher explicitly says that it's just a correlation and does not imply causation, and go on to post exactly that.
Funny, isn't it? People responding here are actually proving the point of the paper by not reading the post and arguing against it.
 

duchaked

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some games really do require a greater attention span (or more affordable free time) than I have haha
 

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Wow, another "study"..
Great job!

Now for the "100th" time, "study" something productive >.<
 

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If I had a gold coin every time some research paper made the statement "This is correlation, not causation" and then went ahead and made recommendations that imply causal pathways I wouldn't need to read the Escapist for entertainment since I could afford to pay celebrities to battle to the death for my amusement. Let's say I had an obsessive personality. Hell, let's say I was bored of school. Then pretend I liked video games. I would like to play video games and have trouble concentrating on any other sort of thing I don't like. Now replace "video games" with "magazines featuring recipes for cakes". Same thing, only those magazines don't have mass appeal and have no marketing behind them. Another shitty study by people that know nothing on the subject matter and try to replace it with half-baked theory.
 

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generic gamer said:
They never said it was the only cause you know. It's like a Venn diagram, not all sufferers of ADHD match the profile but the profile exhibited symptoms of ADHD. Also you're biased towards your personal experience despite the fact that your experience is still only worth one person's experience. These guys are professionals, they'll have heard of ADHD before conducting this study and don't think they made it up.

Also they said it was a link, they produced evidence for a link. What you're suggesting is in fact such a link, remember they didn't claim to have a conclusion, they said they'd found a link. They don't know whether gaming causes ADHD or whether kids with ADHD like gaming and they don't claim to know.

Is that the issue taken care of?
John Funk said:
Children who played games for two hours or more a day were 67% more likely to have attention problems like Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, whether at home or at school.
Ignoring the obvious, which is classing ADHD as a "attention problem" this either suggests that the TV is what causes the ADHD, or is presenting the painfully obvious "ADHD kids binge on tv and games because they are some of the few mediums through which adequate information can be portrayed to keep an ADHD child interested"

As someone who has taken part and assisted those trying to research about ADHD I would say that my experience is not "just one person's experience."

You can't cause ADHD, it's something you are born with.
All scientific research points to it being genetic.


Having seen and noted the bit at the end where they say it's just correlation, I aim my hate filled bile at whoever wrote this non-issue news article in a way that it implied that gaming could cause ADHD.
 

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tautologico said:
Kwil said:
Ahahaahah.. this thread is hilarious.

A thread about gamers being more likely to have ADHD is filled with people who couldn't muster their attention long enough to read the whole half-page article where the researcher explicitly says that it's just a correlation and does not imply causation, and go on to post exactly that.
Funny, isn't it? People responding here are actually proving the point of the paper by not reading the post and arguing against it.
It's pretty much standard practice for researchers to state the safety net "correlation isn't causation", like it's some kind of wise teaching, and then to go ahead and say things like "maybe video games draw kids away from the real world" which is a causal statement. That's like the typical "I'm not racist but, [insert racist remark]."
 

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I do so love correlational studies. Did you know that living within 10km of a petrol station is strongly correlated with instances of break and enter. Why is that? Is it because a ridiculous number of people live within 10km of a petrol station I think so. So if you take the most over-diagnosed condition in history and combine it with one of the most prevalent past times then there will be a correlation, I bet a stronger correlation occurs between adhd and people who travel in motor vehicles. The researchers really should put together a damn hypothesis before publishing.
 

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But every kid in America seems to have ADD nowadays, I swear as a nation you must all be on drugs by now.

Also I think blaming attention spans on games is *insert doing something else joke here*
 

RobfromtheGulag

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It's not just games.

Compare a 1950 movie to a 2000 film. Psycho would be a colossal flop today because people would walk out of the theater before Norman Bates was even introduced.

Instant gratification [read: the internet] is getting to be available almost without interruption. What do we need an attention span for?
 

Lucifer dern

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so killings zombies with an assult rifle and ure friends is more fun then homework school and the boring shit there.
what a supprise...
dude just make school more fun and ull get the attention back
stop blaiming media for shit education. we all no 90% of school is ass.
 

Dogstile

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Well no shit, if I get bored with something i'm going to do something interesting. I honestly don't see that as a problem :p
 

tautologico

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HappyDD said:
It's pretty much standard practice for researchers to state the safety net "correlation isn't causation", like it's some kind of wise teaching, and then to go ahead and say things like "maybe video games draw kids away from the real world" which is a causal statement. That's like the typical "I'm not racist but, [insert racist remark]."
Where do they say "maybe video games draw kids away from the real world"?
 

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If they can spend all day watching tv or playing video games then they don't have ADHD, they're just lazy. When you can't concentrate on something that doesn't interest you it is called apathy, not some syndrome or disorder.
 

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It seems like many of you did not read the article. The researcher specifically says he does not think gaming causes the attention problems. He says there is a correlation and that there is a possibility that gaming may exacerbate existing attention problems. As someone else pointed out it's ironic that a bunch of gamers can't be bothered to actually read a summary, much less click on the article in question.

Many of your arguments seem to hinge on the idea that elementary school kids already lack strong attention spans. Research of this type is not arguing that kids don't have short attention spans. The research asks if the kids have abnormal attention problems. The argument that people like things that stimulate them and in which they are interested doesn't hold water. One of the most important skills in life is the ability to delay gratification. Few people LOVE unraveling an organic chemistry problem or solving differential equations. Marcel Proust and Spinosa and Balzac are not easy reads. Yet there is merit those things, merit that does not come with a glowing halo to signify a new level or even so much as a high score. If you are trained from a young age to expect instant punishment and reward, and you do this training while your neurons and axons are still developing, is it preposterous to suggest that training would shape your motivational strategies for the rest of your life? Why? If you practice anything you reinforce a habit in your brain and certain neurological functions become "muscle memory." This is true of music, sports, art, cooking, math, war and a zillion other things. If you think about music all day, you hear songs differently. If you cook all the time you look at food differently. If you spend all day every day in a combat zone you look at life differently and react differently to certain types of stimulation. None of these things are controversial statements, yet for some reason gamers seem to think constantly washing the human pleasure centers in hyper-stimulation and an unrealistic punishment/reward cycle will have no consequences for how they view other things, and that if there are consequences they are not new and don't matter.

I'm an avid gamer and have been all my life. In some of my earliest memories I'm staring wide-eyed at a Centipede or Gauntlet cabinet. I don't want to blame any problems in focus or attention on gaming, but I've definitely noticed a difference between the consciousness of my friends who play tons of video games and my friends who don't. My friends who are doctors and lawyers and who own businesses and travel all over the world tend not to be gamers. I can count one hand my friends who are avid gamers and have exceptional luck/skill with the opposite sex. This is all anecdotal evidence, but after thirty years of gaming I've gathered a LOT of anecdotal evidence. I understand the urge to protect your ego, but if you don't think gaming alters your consciousness I submit that you are kidding yourself.
 

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I like this study a lot, actually. They specifically state that TV has the same effect, so they're not just bashing on video games for no reason. They also state that video games don't necessarily cause ADD/ADHD, as it may be that kids with ADD/ADHD are just drawn to video games.

Yay for sense!
 

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Yeah, correlation =/= causation (as was admitted.) Get back to me when some actual scientific testing is done on the subject.