Suicide

[toxic_waster]

in my opinion. suicide is selfish and weak, my friends brother shot himself because he was being bullied at school. i doubt he even thought of the damage he had brought to his familiy, especialy his sister (my friend). ive was bullied during my primary school years, i just took it, busted a few lips and walked off. the fact that a person would actual thinks that their best choice is suicide just shows that they didnt think it through or go deep enough.

if you ever have read the amazing book by James Frey called "a million little pieces", a true story about James frey's fight and stuggle against drugs and liquor. the man is still living, his healthy and although he went through one of the toughest expriences of his life, he didnt commit suicide.

so no, i am against suicide

 

[odatnarat]

i personally think that people who do suicide are weak and not in the right track of mind.. dont get me wrong but i think they need help mfrom their family and friends, help to make them build a stronger personality and carry on.. i think its not a solution but more of additional problem..

 

[arcus_angelus]

Too many variables! To many things to take into consideration when figuring out if suicide is tbe best course of action. Then it depends on the situation I guess. . .I mean, there are a lot of things to think about here. Do I think suicide is right or wrong? I think it's wrong. Are their situations in life that can make it a right course of action? I don't know. . .maybe. . .like Euthanasia, that to me has a very good possibility of being the right course of action, but again it's situational. This whole concept is tricky. lol!

 

[Vortigar]

I agree with JayThulu and Toxic Waster.

Suicide, like murder, is usually commited at a point in a person's life when he's not thinking straight. I wouldn't say they were mentally diseased persé (though this can very well be the case), they can also be in a wrong state of mind at the time. Afterward they almost always end up regretting having done it (or at least the three I know did, as do the ones you read about in papers/magazines).

I've thought about it myself but could never console myself with the idea. For one, it's weak in the extreme and will hurt every friend and relative you've ever had, yes even that uncle you've only met twice will probably be saddened, and especially those parents you're always fighting with. You know, those people that hate you. For two, (and this may sound extremely corny) what the hell am I complaining about, being born into the middleclass in a developed country?

I agree with allowing euthanasia btw.

 

[Easykill]

Why are there so many people here that think just because they don't agree with it, it should be illegal? It seems such a terrible irony that suicide should be illegal.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

On a more serious note, suicide is nothing but a selfish and cowardly way out, and I'll never have any respect or sympathy for the people who choose it. They've got no care or concern about what they're doing to anyone else, only themselves.

A lot of people with little to no experience or understanding of depression say things like this.

Depression is an illness. Not a life choice. Suicide can be a consequence of that illness. Would you go to a cancer sufferer and tell them that dying is a "selfish and cowardly way out"?

 

[Jaythulhu]

On a more serious note, suicide is nothing but a selfish and cowardly way out, and I'll never have any respect or sympathy for the people who choose it. They've got no care or concern about what they're doing to anyone else, only themselves.

A lot of people with little to no experience or understanding of depression say things like this.

Depression is an illness. Not a life choice. Suicide can be a consequence of that illness. Would you go to a cancer sufferer and tell them that dying is a "selfish and cowardly way out"?

What a load of horseshit. For the record, dying from cancer is not suicide, it's being killed by a disease. They're about as similar as a fart and hamburger. Death by suicide is NOT the end result of depression. Oh, and by the way, depression is entirely treatable and curable. Funny that. To not seek help and to go off yourself because you've got a chemical imbalance in your brain is cowardly, selfish, and plenty of other things besides.

For you to even try and link the death of a cancer sufferer with some selfish prat who commits suicide is pathetic, you miserable little worm. Cancer sufferers fight with every ounce of their being to try and live. Suiciders don't give a fuck about anyone other than themselves, and are not worthy of being in the same afterlife. It's ignorant, uninformed people trying to make excuses that spout bullshit like yours.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Suicide can't be a consequence of depression?

And depression isn't an illness?

And I am ignorant and uninformed?

And you are eligible to vote?

Suddenly a lot of things make sense.

 

[ianuam]

Suicide i think is your right. It's your life, therefore it should be your decision when to end it, especially if suffering has become intolerable. However, this should only, i think, be allowed if the person is of sound mind. Due to the immensity of the act, one needs to take a rational, logical decision to do it, therefore there should be safeguards to prevent those with, say, depression or another treatable illness from removing themseves.

Assisting a suicide should also be decriminalised. Partners shouldn't be put in a situation whereby they face criminal prosecution for helping a terminal patient to end their suffering when they are severely restricted in movement, yet still control full control of their mental faculties. Furthermore, the state shouldn't get involved. In cases of euthanasia outlined above, it should be purely medical.

Although there would need to be new framework to work with the Hippocratic oath, it's better than the government getting involved. If the state were to, then it would lead to a slippery slope of people who feel a burden on society feeling pressured to remove themselves from it.

 

[Mr. Squirrel]

I think suicide is weak, it shows that you are not mentally strong enough to cope with bad things. Well, guess what, everyone hast to cope with bad things and not everyone commits suicide.

 

[Archereus]

i dont think of it as a right to be honnest it is a choice to be made even though i would SUGGEST to the person wanted to commit it other wise. I wont stop some one but neither will i care much for their deat, its like a video game just the game over is harder to get to. You get a game over when you give up and suicide usualy means this. So i wont stop some one from doing it but neither will i mourn for them if they succeed in the act

 

[GothmogII]

I think suicide is weak, it shows that you are not mentally strong enough to cope with bad things. Well, guess what, everyone hast to cope with bad things and not everyone commits suicide.

So? Not everyone is a clone of each other? And even if they were they'd -still- have vastly different life experiences.

And pray tell, how does one become 'mentally strong'? You are giving free will far far too much credit. Even with our own minds and distinct personalities, we are still subject to all the chemical reactions in our own bodies.

 

[Fronken]

I have this little saying: The government should NOT control our bodies, meaning we can do whatever the f*** we want with it, its YOUR body, not theirs, so yeah, if you dont like your life, you have every single right to take it away.

Also on topic, everyone should have full right over their own body, if they want to destroy it, its their choice, if they want to pump it full of alcohol and drugs, its their choice, as long as they dont hurt anyone else physically, it should be legal.

That being said, i dont like suicide, i think its a bad way out of life, and it really scars those close to you, but when it comes to your rights, you should have the right to do it.

Total freedom over your own body should be something everyone thinks of as obvious.

Every right comes with a responsibility. If you can't uphold that responsibility, the right is taken away from you. What would be the responsibility of those wanting to end their life?

To further prod at your argument...
From the amount of 300kg plus people lining up for a few large meals at maccas to tide them over 'til dinner, or the scrawny junkie laying in the gutter of a busy city street, people can't be trusted to have total control over their body. Besides which, everything you do has an impact on the others around you. How can you have total control over yourself without impugning on the rights of every other individual out there?

So your telling me that if you misstreat your own body someone else has the right to interfere?, i honestly dont see how your own body is anyone else's buisness, yeah, misstreating it does impact others, but so does everything else you do, you nor anyone else have any right to control other peoples bodies imo, cant believe im actually having this discussion, i find it sick to think that there's actually people out there wanting to infringe on something so basic as the freedom of your own body.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

So? I have a theory: No law should be formed with the assumption that it'll be broken. It dosn't change anything and messes up the ppricipal of law.

So then what do you think your law will be achieving? It fails as a deterrant and there are no benefits by it existing. Much like current anti-suicide laws they only exist token gestures of morality.

It would allow sane people to kill themselves if they want to. +1 to freedom.

Erm... sane people can already kill themselves. Nobody needs permission to do it.

 

[Alphavillain]

I have nothing against suicide, and if someone had a problem with me if I chose that path, then tough.

 

[Slayer_2]

I'd be too wimpy to commit suicide even if I wanted to, unless I had a gun or a bomb, that probably wouldn't hurt too much. But anyhow, if you want to, suicide should be legal if done by a doctor who checks you over, talks with you than puts you to sleep and while you're sleeping, administers a painless killing drug.

 

[C-man101]

i know this will sound cruel, but sometimes i think suicide would be an awesome solution for some people, i mean the assholes who think they're the shit. on the other hand some people just have a bad case of manic depression and end their life before having the chance of curing, throwing away their chance of having a great life.

 

[Dele]

I'd be too wimpy to commit suicide even if I wanted to, unless I had a gun or a bomb, that probably wouldn't hurt too much.

Eh, I thought the objective of guns and bombs were to hurt.. A LOT.

 

[zirnitra]

it should be allowed. psychiatrists just drug people up or force them to have ECT (they can sign a document that allows them to do it with out permission saying the patient is a danger to themselves and cannot decide for themselves)

as hemmingway said on the subject "Well, what is the sense of ruining my head and erasing my memory, which is my capital, and putting me out of business? It was a brilliant cure but we lost the patient...."

 

[JMeganSnow]

People have the right to take their own lives, period. It doesn't matter how much they want to. Life or death is the only fundamental alternative facing us and the choice to pursue life or give up and die is all that gives meaning to our actions and choices.

You are free to attempt to persuade people not to choose death, but it is not right to attempt to force them to choose life unless they are psychotic (not neurotic, PSYCHOTIC) and their mental illness can be controlled in some such way that they are potentially lucid.