Suicide

[cuddly_tomato]

According to all the science, research and opinions of medical professionals, you are entirely wrong in your statement. That said, given how vehemently you emphasize your sweeping generalizations with swearing, I doubt this post, or any other evidence provided will dissuade you from running your mouth.

Perhaps I failed to explain myself properly. Having had it suggested to me that people who commit suicide are just like people who die from cancer made me see red, and I lashed out at out the nonsense I was presented with. I apologise to all if I came off as unfriendly to the mentally ill, or other such. I really should avoid posting when something has managed to irritate me.

You did explain yourself properly, and you did again just now.

You are convinced that depression itself cannot be fatal. You do not consider suicide a consequence of the illness, but rather as a choice someone has made to deal with the illness. This is arrogant, ill informed, and according to all the current medical knowledge completely wrong.

Mentally healthy people do not often commit suicide. And mental illness is an illness as real as cancer.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

Yes, congratulations, way to diffuse a situation there. *applause*

Look people, I appreciate that this is a hot topic and you naturally have very strong opinions on it, but I would ask that you keep your responses civil.

 

[dalek sec]

It's weird for me, some days I really do wish to blow my brains out and other days I shake my head in disgust that I could think something like that.

 

[MindBullets]

People are often so fixated on the belief that death is inherently bad that they will restrict other people from choosing to kill themselves.

It should be legal. People should have the right. If they truly want to die, who are we to say "No, continue suffering because death is bad!"? Doctor-assisted suicide especially, as they will often be able to provide a painless and controllable method.

 

[Fox1789]

suicide is your personal choice.. and if you really want to kill yourself no one will stop you..

the people who get stopped are the ones who use it as a cry for attention.

and i also thin assisted suicide should be legal because idk but if i knew i was dying anyway and i was in an extreme anount of pain.. i would want to be put out of my misery

 

[SunoffaBeach]

What if suicide was only legal for people found to be of sound mind? I think this would be a great solution.

Welcome to Switzerland!

 

[Arsen]

Never. I believe in God and His Work, and under those beliefs it is an unforgivable sin to willingly kill yourself.

I can see why.
Live, do not choose to die. There is absolutely no reason for it unless you are mentally unstable.

 

[Beowulf DW]

Suicide is an "iffy" topic for me. Under extreme circumstances, I can understand, maybe even approve of suicide.

However, I've seen the sadness a suicide can cause. I saw one of my dad's coworkers, one of the toughest men I know, reduced to a pitiable wreck when his son committed suicide. The thought of causing such pain to the people who care about you is enough to convince me that suicide should only be a person's absolute, final option that is considered, if it's an option at all.

While in a state of depression, or when you've been really messed up by drugs (as was the case with the instance I mentioned above) you're not in the right state of mind to decide whether or not you should end your life. People like this need help, not a real life "Game Over."

P.S. I'd like to contest some previous posts that implied that depression could be fatal. Depression in and of itself is not fatal. Depression does not cause death on its own; it requires the depressed to make a decision to end his/her life. As mentally messed up as a depressed person might be, they still have a say in whether or not they commit suicide. Just to help clarify what I'm trying to say: it's like making a decision using incorrect or misinterpreted information.

 

[mike1921]

Why are there so many people here that think just because they don't agree with it, it should be illegal? It seems such a terrible irony that suicide should be illegal.

Thank you.

It shouldn't mean fuck that you disagree with suicide. Not everything you disagree with should be illegal. I disagree with the KKK existing, but I wouldn't vote against it.

 

[jockslap]

people should be allowed to commit suicide, but i think they need to pay someone to clean it up and report it to the police, that way they don't bother anyone.

 

[neoman10]

These days, there's much talk of suicide, and while I personally think of it as a terrible thing and decision, I consider it to be a person's right. They should be allowed to take their own life if they really want to. However, many people see fit to stop other people from committing suicide, and I think that this is a form of oppression. So what do all of you think, is suicide a right? Should people be allowed to commit suicide unobstructed?

we know why your avatar is that...I guess

 

[SunoffaBeach]

A society that has to force its members to live must be a fun place to live.

Imagine this forum being so bad you wanna quit but you can't.
People...force...me...to...post...this.

The same is true for that jerk called God and his(?) Work.

 

[Rankao]

My position, If you have No one who depends on you and you are in fact completely just useless then there should be no problem. However if you have young kids and a wife then you should indefinitely not because you aren't screwing yourself over you are saying "I don't give a fuck about anyone, they can all go fuck themselves" when you commit suicide while having defendants.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Words

More words, but nicely chilled and calmer

I can relate on some level to your experience, as a friend of mine hopped in front of a train (I wasn't present) and left his family in an exploded confetti state of chaotic despair. Kinda stung to lose him, too, although my reaction to his action was more inclined to sympathy and compassion than resentment and anger. But enough about that...

I'm not looking to scramble to compare statstics for the sake of being right on the internet. Let me simply point out a few things that are generally accepted as true and we have both more or less stated in our posts:

- Death by cancer is not death by suicide.
- Suicide is an 'active' death in that it requires a cognitive and behavioral precursor.
- Depression manifests symptoms in cognitive ability and behavioral changes (outside of actually doing brain imaging to see areas lacking in serotonin and other neurochemical activity)
- Depressed people kill themselves a lot more often than people with healthy brains. (people who are not depressed)
- Thus, suicide could be said to be a symptom of depression
- A symptom does not manifest in all cases, but often enough that it considered to be linked to a specific condition.

My last 0.02 on the subject.

Of course death by suicide is not death by cancer. Death by Malaria is also not death by cancer. Death by meningitis is not death by cancer. However they are all deaths caused by a disease.

What I was saying is that pretty often suicide is a consequence of a disease. Although it's manifestation is behavioural, the depressive has little to no control over it without help. Depression is a debilitating, painful, and real illness that is as serious as it is deadly. There is this tendancy though to label it as being simply a weakness upon the part of the sufferer, effectively saying they are just very very very sad and can't handle it.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

I might be paraphrasing it, but a quote I heard comes to mind: "When you kill yourself, you end one life, but ruin hundreds of others. Every person you know, your family, their lives are permanently altered, but for one selfish act."

 

[Erana]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.
Don't question that, just taste it like one would an expensive wine.

Pungent, distasteful in some ways, but there is a pungent truth to it in our culture.

 

[SunoffaBeach]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

 

[Erana]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

What could you possibly do that would hurt those around you more?
Sure, there's always going insane and homicidal, but suicide is much more real in today's culture. Everyone knows someone whose either committed suicide or attempted suicide. If not, then you can't fathom how much it hurts.

 

[WraithGadra]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

Let me guess: "Because it hurts all the people who knew them just because they couldn't deal with their problems. Such sucking babies need to toughen up! Everybody has problems, not everyone commits suicide! Other platitudes often spouted about the subject!"

It's pretty standard "How dare you not continue suffering for my sake!" stuff. But it raises a question: If suicide is so selfish, then how much more selfish is attempting to force someone to live because you don't like the idea of death?

 

[Beowulf DW]

Suicide is the most selfish thing someone could possibly do.

Why?

Let me guess: "Because it hurts all the people who knew them just because they couldn't deal with their problems. Such sucking babies need to toughen up! Everybody has problems, not everyone commits suicide! Other platitudes often spouted about the subject!"

It's pretty standard "How dare you not continue suffering for my sake!" stuff. But it raises a question: If suicide is so selfish, then how much more selfish is attempting to force someone to live because you don't like the idea of death?

I don't think it's dislike of death so much as wanting the other person to accept their responsibilities.