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iggyus

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I recently saw the movie "Watchmen" and I liked it. It clearly introduced a new vision about superheroes: a lot darker and bloodier. This stands in clear contrast with the superheroes from Marvel such as Spider Man that are more "child friendly". So what kind of superheroes do you prefer: the more mature ones from Watchmen or the old friendly ones form Marvel?
 

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The old friendly ones. But D.C. Comics heros only. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, The Flash etc. Plus they could whoop any of the Watchmens asses. In my opinion.

EDIT: This has been going on for a while. Since the 90s at least. The maturing and darkening of comics has been a fairly common trend for 15 years minimum.
 

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iggyus said:
I recently saw the movie "Watchmen" and I liked it. It clearly introduced a new vision about superheroes: a lot darker and bloodier. This stands in clear contrast with the superheroes from Marvel such as Spider Man that are more "child friendly". So what kind of superheroes do you prefer: the more mature ones from Watchmen or the old friendly ones form Marvel?
Not to sound like a dick, but Watchmen was written like 15 or more years ago or something like that. I don't have a copy of the book on hand to check the publishing date.

But have you read Spiderman recently? It's pretty fucked up. So was the whole Civil War deal. Comics haven't been an exclusively "child friendly" medium for the better part of decade now.
 

Xanadeas

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Spider-man shall always be my favorite super hero. Though I like both versions of heroes. It just depends on where they are.
 

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LaBambaMan said:
iggyus said:
I recently saw the movie "Watchmen" and I liked it. It clearly introduced a new vision about superheroes: a lot darker and bloodier. This stands in clear contrast with the superheroes from Marvel such as Spider Man that are more "child friendly". So what kind of superheroes do you prefer: the more mature ones from Watchmen or the old friendly ones form Marvel?
Not to sound like a dick, but Watchmen was written like 15 or more years ago or something like that. I don't have a copy of the book on hand to check the publishing date.

But have you read Spiderman recently? It's pretty fucked up. So was the whole Civil War deal. Comics haven't been an exclusively "child friendly" medium for the better part of decade now.
I know what you mean, but most superheroes we remember as friendly and mostly gory violence free. Watchmen portrayed to the wider audience a bit differently
 

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LaBambaMan said:
iggyus said:
I recently saw the movie "Watchmen" and I liked it. It clearly introduced a new vision about superheroes: a lot darker and bloodier. This stands in clear contrast with the superheroes from Marvel such as Spider Man that are more "child friendly". So what kind of superheroes do you prefer: the more mature ones from Watchmen or the old friendly ones form Marvel?
Not to sound like a dick, but Watchmen was written like 15 or more years ago or something like that. I don't have a copy of the book on hand to check the publishing date.

But have you read Spiderman recently? It's pretty fucked up. So was the whole Civil War deal. Comics haven't been an exclusively "child friendly" medium for the better part of decade now.
Wikipedia has the answer, First published 1986 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen]
 

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Errrr what about the Punisher?
He's been out for decades and all he does is shoot people and curse!
 

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pantallica95 said:
The old friendly ones. But D.C. Comics heros only. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, The Flash etc. Plus they could whoop any of the Watchmens asses. In my opinion.
Probably because they actually have superpowers above being either incredibly smart or incredibly athletic in some way. Okay, except Batman.

While I prefer the Watchmen, I have to point out that Marvel characters aren't always very 'child friendly', look at the Punisher for example.
 

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The mature ones, definitely.
Watchmen told it accurately. The city itself is much more realistic, and the citizens aren't Hug-tastic family friendly neighbors.

And lets not forget they have Dr. Manhattan. No matter what you throw at him, he will win.
 

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I prefer specific heroes that either border or are anti-heroes, so I suppose I prefer the Watchmen over many other heroes, but some others are pretty cool, too. I'll always be a huge fan of the Punisher as well, he's my favorite.
 

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AmrasCalmacil said:
pantallica95 said:
The old friendly ones. But D.C. Comics heros only. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, The Flash etc. Plus they could whoop any of the Watchmens asses. In my opinion.
Probably because they actually have superpowers above being either incredibly smart or incredibly athletic in some way. Okay, except Batman.

While I prefer the Watchmen, I have to point out that Marvel characters aren't always very 'child friendly', look at the Punisher for example.
The DC ones are more kid-friendly i think. Marvel always was the one that kinda pushed the boundaries. The Punisher is a great example of that. Their characters werent as "perfect" as the DC ones were. They had their own issues.
 

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I loved watchmen, but i like superman for a strange reason,

i like him because his 'gimmick' isnt superman, its clark kent. Superman is who he is.
 

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pantallica95 said:
AmrasCalmacil said:
pantallica95 said:
The old friendly ones. But D.C. Comics heros only. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, The Flash etc. Plus they could whoop any of the Watchmens asses. In my opinion.
Probably because they actually have superpowers above being either incredibly smart or incredibly athletic in some way. Okay, except Batman.

While I prefer the Watchmen, I have to point out that Marvel characters aren't always very 'child friendly', look at the Punisher for example.
The DC ones are more kid-friendly i think. Marvel always was the one that kinda pushed the boundaries. The Punisher is a great example of that. Their characters werent as "perfect" as the DC ones were. They had their own issues.
That's probably why Batman is my favourate DC hero, he certainly has some issues, he has no real superpowers except winning and possibly having a magical belt, and he's damned cool too.

coxafloppin said:
I loved watchmen, but i like superman for a strange reason,

i like him because his 'gimmick' isnt superman, its clark kent. Superman is who he is.
Oddly enough, Rorschach has a similar thing going on.
 

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AmrasCalmacil said:
pantallica95 said:
AmrasCalmacil said:
pantallica95 said:
The old friendly ones. But D.C. Comics heros only. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, The Flash etc. Plus they could whoop any of the Watchmens asses. In my opinion.
Probably because they actually have superpowers above being either incredibly smart or incredibly athletic in some way. Okay, except Batman.

While I prefer the Watchmen, I have to point out that Marvel characters aren't always very 'child friendly', look at the Punisher for example.
The DC ones are more kid-friendly i think. Marvel always was the one that kinda pushed the boundaries. The Punisher is a great example of that. Their characters werent as "perfect" as the DC ones were. They had their own issues.
That's probably why Batman is my favourate DC hero, he certainly has some issues, he has no real superpowers except winning and possibly having a magical belt, and he's damned cool too.

coxafloppin said:
I loved watchmen, but i like superman for a strange reason,

i like him because his 'gimmick' isnt superman, its clark kent. Superman is who he is.
Oddly enough, Rorschach has a similar thing going on.
Not to seem like everything in my mind us decided by who-kicks-whos-ass but i think Batman could whoop any superhero that i know of if he got ANY kind of superpower. Except Aquaman's powers XD
 

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Its more an age thing than a 'Friendliness thing'

Most of the old superheroes were written originally in the 50s and their characteristics are reflective of that time because the 'nice' characters were what sold (read: Post War Boom). The flawed hero appeared in the cold war stages and again reflected a change in the buyers attitudes towards a darker theme (read: Apocalypse at any moment).

The gore has been ramped up since the mid to late 80s to cater for modern tastes.

If you go through Batman chronologically its a very nice example of how his character has evolved to fit what the market was buying at the time.
 

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megalomania said:
If you go through Batman chronologically its a very nice example of how his character has evolved to fit what the market was buying at the time.
No joke, look at how stupid he got when Adam effing West was prancing around in tights on the TV.
(BTW, check out some pictures from that TV show. Riddler's crotch. These things would never pass nowadays)
Then look at "The Dark Knight Returns" Thank you Frank Miller, for saving us from Camp and blowing people up.
 

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pantallica95 said:
AmrasCalmacil said:
pantallica95 said:
The old friendly ones. But D.C. Comics heros only. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, The Flash etc. Plus they could whoop any of the Watchmens asses. In my opinion.
Probably because they actually have superpowers above being either incredibly smart or incredibly athletic in some way. Okay, except Batman.

While I prefer the Watchmen, I have to point out that Marvel characters aren't always very 'child friendly', look at the Punisher for example.
The DC ones are more kid-friendly i think. Marvel always was the one that kinda pushed the boundaries. The Punisher is a great example of that. Their characters werent as "perfect" as the DC ones were. They had their own issues.
I wouldn't count DC out of the maturity competition. Even Superman has had some rather adult situations happen in his life. Look at the recent comic additions of the "All-Star Batman" and "All-Star Superman". Both are steered toward older audiences.
 

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JacobCO said:
megalomania said:
If you go through Batman chronologically its a very nice example of how his character has evolved to fit what the market was buying at the time.
No joke, look at how stupid he got when Adam effing West was prancing around in tights on the TV.
(BTW, check out some pictures from that TV show. Riddler's crotch. These things would never pass nowadays)
Then look at "The Dark Knight Returns" Thank you Frank Miller, for saving us from Camp and blowing people up.
I was talking more about the cartoons but it works for the films too.
 

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pantallica95 said:
The old friendly ones. But D.C. Comics heros only. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, The Flash etc. Plus they could whoop any of the Watchmens asses. In my opinion.

EDIT: This has been going on for a while. Since the 90s at least. The maturing and darkening of comics has been a fairly common trend for 15 years minimum.
No. Mr. Manhattan would destroy Superman. Or Batman. Or any superhero in the DC or Marvel universe. He is literally indescribable and controls all of matter in space and time. Sorry, but that is unbeatable. He is a god.

I also find this discussion funny considering that the Watchmen 12 issue limited series came out in 1986-87.
 

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axia777 said:
pantallica95 said:
The old friendly ones. But D.C. Comics heros only. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, The Flash etc. Plus they could whoop any of the Watchmens asses. In my opinion.

EDIT: This has been going on for a while. Since the 90s at least. The maturing and darkening of comics has been a fairly common trend for 15 years minimum.
No. Mr. Manhattan would destroy Superman. Or Batman. Or any superhero in the DC or Marvel universe. He is literally indescribable and controls all of matter in space and time. Sorry, but that is unbeatable. He is a god.
Thats why i said "That i know of" in a different post. i dont know who that is. all i know is that hes blue, naked, and in the watchmen.