Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion

[Trunkage]

What goal posts!?

Just so you are aware, penicillin is not normally used during abortions. Some places recommend NOT using it

But anyway, pretending the antibiotics was the 'medical science' that helped keep women alive during an abortion is a hard needle to thread when you also make the argument about hygiene. So... maybe being more sterile would help. Probably more the antibiotics

Also, any technology that helped test for babies, as (IMO) IF you going to have an abortion, the first trimester would make sense. Also general improvements in diagnosis. Also women getting rights. Also medical consent becoming a thing so it would stop some doctors from circumcising women during abortions and births. Or getting male doctors out of the profession who didn't particularly worry about women living. Or just better treatments

You know, lots of medical science things

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Super cool that pro-life policies are making it harder for people to get life saving medication

Patients struggle to get Methotrexate after Roe v. Wade reversal, health experts say

Anyone experiencing difficulty getting their prescriptions filled can report the issue to multiple organizations.

www.wtsp.com

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

What is wrong with you people?

We don't feel the need to punish women for being women.

Dude, I'm killing my offspring on a daily basis, considering all the sperm cells that aren't being used to fertilize eggs.

"Every sperm is sacred; every sperm is great...."

 

[Gordon_4]

We don't feel the need to punish women for being women.


"Every sperm is sacred; every sperm is great...."

“When a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate!”

 

[tstorm823]

Dude, I'm killing my offspring on a daily basis, considering all the sperm cells that aren't being used to fertilize eggs. Me not deciding to impregnate a woman is as much killing my future children as a woman deciding to remove a microscopic bundle of cells.

You don't believe that.

 

[tstorm823]

You know, lots of medical science things

Yes, that is my point. The drop in abortion deaths over the 20th century was not caused by Roe, but by lots of medical science things.

 

[tstorm823]

We don't feel the need to punish women for being women.

You are simultaneously defining womanhood by pregnancy and referring to that pregnancy as a punishment.

 

[Casual Shinji]

You don't believe that.

Spoken like a true christian, eh?

Yes, that is my point. The drop in abortion deaths over the 20th century was not caused by Roe, but by lots of medical science things.

Yes, and abortions are medical science. Medical science that was given ample room to advance and become more safe due to Roe v. Wade.

You are simultaneously defining womanhood by pregnancy and referring to that pregnancy as a punishment.

No actually, forcing women to carry pregnancies to term is defining womanhood by pregnancy, as opposed to giving women the choice and allowing them to define what womanhood is for themselves. And I guess I should be surprised that you would think being in involuntary physical and mental distress for nine months with an extremely painful and possible life threatening birth at the end of that isn't punishment, but I'm really not.

 

[Dreiko]

“When a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate!”

I hear the argument that they should make wasting semen be like aborting a baby a lot, but I don't think the people making this point really understand where their argument would lead us.

Before banning masturbation for men they would conscript women to semen relief duty and assign them to each post pubery male so that their semen doesn't go to waste.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I hear the argument that they should make wasting semen be like aborting a baby a lot, but I don't think the people making this point really understand where their argument would lead us.

Before banning masturbation for men they would conscript women to semen relief duty and assign them to each post pubery male so that their semen doesn't go to waste.

Uh yeah, we weren't being serious. That's the whole point.

 

[Gordon_4]

I hear the argument that they should make wasting semen be like aborting a baby a lot, but I don't think the people making this point really understand where their argument would lead us.

Before banning masturbation for men they would conscript women to semen relief duty and assign them to each post pubery male so that their semen doesn't go to waste.

Okay on the off chance you’re not sure what we’re referring to, I present the song in its entirety.

 

[tstorm823]

Yes, and abortions are medical science. Medical science that was given ample room to advance and become more safe due to Roe v. Wade.

The advancements came before Roe. If anything, the increased safety of abortion lead to the legalization, not the inverse.

No actually, forcing women to carry pregnancies to term is defining womanhood by pregnancy...

You understand I meant defining literally, correct? Not that it matters, that comment wasn't directed at you, it makes no difference if you understood it.

 

[Terminal Blue]

I mean, you may have stumbled into the mootest of moot points. You can't kill a dead a person. Just as a matter of definition.

Why does that matter?

Would you want to be burned in a giant furnace or buried in a tiny box, even if you wouldn't actually die?

The point is that by your definition of humanity, there isn't any practical difference between a living person and a dead person. You are not going to Matrix dodge your way out of the inherent nihilism of the idea that a single human cell is equal in value to you or me because they consist of similar matter.

And you can believe that if you want, but it's an intellectual dead end. There is no point in discussing further once we have decided that thinking has no value.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

The advancements came before Roe. If anything, the increased safety of abortion lead to the legalization, not the inverse.

And so we come to the closing argument. Women will still get abortions, only now they'll be dangerous back-alley ones, which can scar or even kill them. History has proven this out. Republicans will continue to make mouth-noises about "the precious babies", but will ultimately do nothing to provide any sort of pre- or post-natal care nor any other services, and will immediately snap back to "can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em" the instant the baby is born and can no longer provide old white men an avenue to control women. History has also proven this out.

You can't not know this, and the only other logical conclusion is that this is your goal.

 

[Silvanus]

I hear the argument that they should make wasting semen be like aborting a baby a lot

Where the hell have you been hanging out?

 

[Agema]

Super cool that pro-life policies are making it harder for people to get life saving medication

Patients struggle to get Methotrexate after Roe v. Wade reversal, health experts say

Anyone experiencing difficulty getting their prescriptions filled can report the issue to multiple organizations.

www.wtsp.com

Well, that's bad for people with cancer and rheumatoid arthritis.

 

[McElroy]

Where the hell have you been hanging out?

The graveyard for sperm: the Semenary. They sell sex and confessions.

 

[tstorm823]

The point is that by your definition of humanity, there isn't any practical difference between a living person and a dead person. You are not going to Matrix dodge your way out of the inherent nihilism of the idea that a single human cell is equal in value to you or me because they consist of similar matter.

Being alive is, in fact, different than being dead. Organs maintaining themselves through self-sustaining reactions. Thought is not what defines life physically.

And so we come to the closing argument. Women will still get abortions, only now they'll be dangerous back-alley ones, which can scar or even kill them. History has proven this out.

The problem with the theory is that you are wrong about reality. The "back-alley abortion" is more myth than real, and it always has been. Illegal abortions were only dangerous in the same era that legal abortions were also very dangerous, and now even more of those would be chemical rather than surgical. The coat-hanger hellscape is fear mongering at its worst.

You're saying "history has proven this out", but you are just flat-out ignoring history.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Being alive is, in fact, different than being dead. Organs maintaining themselves through self-sustaining reactions. Thought is not what defines life physically.

If being alive means organs maintaining themselves through self-sustaining reactions, then a fetus isn't alive.

 

[Silvanus]

Being alive is, in fact, different than being dead.

But both are human, which was the point of delineation you chose to draw originally.