Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade; states can ban abortion

[Bedinsis]

I'll concede that I should have said "a definition". Would you care to backtrack on the "no it isn't" part?

Not without at least one instance of the word "intellectualist" used with the meaning you ascribed, as per my earlier request.

Show me an instance of something allegedly intellectualist rejecting empiricism. The scientific process involves empirical evidence so I suspect most would consider someone rejecting it no longer being intellectual.

 

[tstorm823]

Not without at least one instance of the word "intellectualist" used with the meaning you ascribed, as per my earlier request.

intellectualist — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

"intellectualist: One who intellectualizes; a devotee of the intellect or understanding; one who believes or holds that all knowledge is derived from pure reason. "

Intellectualism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In the field of philosophy, "intellectualism" is synonymous with rationalism"

 

[Bedinsis]

intellectualist — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

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"intellectualist: One who intellectualizes; a devotee of the intellect or understanding; one who believes or holds that all knowledge is derived from pure reason. "

Intellectualism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In the field of philosophy, "intellectualism" is synonymous with rationalism"

Okay, I'll backtrack.

 

[tstorm823]

Okay, I'll concede.

Fair enough, only respect from me.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Oh, look. All the things that Republicans keep telling us won't happen are happening.

Beauty YouTuber Forced to Carry Dead Fetus for 2 Weeks After Miscarriage Due to Abortion Ban

Marlena Stell, creator of Makeup Geek cosmetics, opened up about her miscarriage and upsetting experience due to anti-abortion laws in Texas

people.com

 

[tstorm823]

Oh, look. All the things that Republicans keep telling us won't happen are happening.

Beauty YouTuber Forced to Carry Dead Fetus for 2 Weeks After Miscarriage Due to Abortion Ban

Marlena Stell, creator of Makeup Geek cosmetics, opened up about her miscarriage and upsetting experience due to anti-abortion laws in Texas

people.com

Oh my god! They wanted to.... [checks article]... double check that a wanted child had actually died before chopping it to pieces! Those monsters!

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Oh my god! They wanted to.... [checks article]... double check that a wanted child had actually died before chopping it to pieces! Those monsters!

Dr. Lillian Schapiro, an Atlanta-based OB-GYN, told CNN that carrying a dead fetus can quickly become dangerous for the mother.
"She can develop an infection that can make her sterile and never able to have children again," Schapiro said. "When the baby dies inside, the baby starts to release parts of its tissue that can get into the mother's blood supply. It can cause organ failure. It can cause death."

You want her to carry a dead fetus inside of her to punish her for not being a good enough mother to bring forth a baby that a man saw fit to put inside her. If it kills her, such are the wages of sin, right?

 

[Cheetodust]

You want her to carry a dead fetus inside of her to punish her for not being a good enough mother to bring forth a baby that a man saw fit to put inside her. If it kills her, such are the wages of sin, right?

Yeah the right on this board are just wearing their full fasci colours on their sleeve now. This board has a nazi problem.

 

[Kwak]

Oh my god! They wanted to.... [checks article]... double check that a wanted child had actually died before chopping it to pieces! Those monsters!

You equate this to chopping a child to pieces? Sounds about right for a christian right wing zealot.
What bible verse on this issue do you use to justify your brainwashing?

 

[Casual Shinji]

You equate this to chopping a child to pieces? Sounds about right for a christian right wing zealot.
What bible verse on this issue do you use to justify your brainwashing?

Because acknowledging and accepting the LGBTQ+ in schools is grooming, wearing masks and getting vaccinated is facism, and getting an abortion is chopping children to pieces.

Oh wait, I forgot one; Allowing gays to get married will result in people marrying animals.

 

[Elijin]

Oh my god! They wanted to.... [checks article]... double check that a wanted child had actually died before chopping it to pieces! Those monsters!

If that was your geniune takeaway from that article then youre a **** devoid of empathy.

This is why people treat you poorly around here.

 

[Schadrach]

Oh wait, I forgot one; Allowing gays to get married will result in people marrying animals.

Weird thing, I live in one of the handful of states where bestiality is not illegal (unless it physically harms the animal, in which case it qualifies as regular old animal abuse).

This is a direct consequence of LGBT rights. How, you ask? We had one of those "crimes against nature" laws that made various sorts of deemed-unacceptable sexual conduct illegal, and it was repealed to legalize homosexual sex. No replacement for the part of that same law to re-ban bestiality has passed since, though it gets proposed most years and then dies quietly because there are more important things going on then bothering the handful of folks who want to screw the pooch literally rather than just figuratively.

 

[tstorm823]

You want her to carry a dead fetus inside of her to punish her for not being a good enough mother to bring forth a baby that a man saw fit to put inside her. If it kills her, such are the wages of sin, right?

If an ultrasound detects no heartbeat, it is a perfectly normal procedure to check again, assuming no other signs of major issues. It can be difficult to detect a heartbeat earlier in a pregnancy, so a week or two wait gives much clearer confirmation of a miscarriage. This is standard medical care.

The Texas abortion law they are talking about did not make this happen. " A physician does not violate this section if the physician performed a test for a fetal heartbeat under Section 171.203 and did not detect a fetal heartbeat. " The law did not make the doctor schedule a second test. One test is explicitly sufficient. However:

Why Wasn't There a Fetal Heartbeat on My Early Ultrasound?

No fetal heartbeat on an early ultrasound may mean a miscarriage—but other factors might also be to blame. Here's what you need to know.

www.verywellfamily.com

" There are a few possible reasons for the absence of a heartbeat on ultrasound. If you have no other symptoms, rechecking with another ultrasound seven to 10 days is the most common recommendation. "

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

If an ultrasound detects no heartbeat, it is a perfectly normal procedure to check again, assuming no other signs of major issues. It can be difficult to detect a heartbeat earlier in a pregnancy, so a week or two wait gives much clearer confirmation of a miscarriage. This is standard medical care.

The Texas abortion law they are talking about did not make this happen. " A physician does not violate this section if the physician performed a test for a fetal heartbeat under Section 171.203 and did not detect a fetal heartbeat. " The law did not make the doctor schedule a second test. One test is explicitly sufficient. However:

Why Wasn't There a Fetal Heartbeat on My Early Ultrasound?

No fetal heartbeat on an early ultrasound may mean a miscarriage—but other factors might also be to blame. Here's what you need to know.

www.verywellfamily.com

" There are a few possible reasons for the absence of a heartbeat on ultrasound. If you have no other symptoms, rechecking with another ultrasound seven to 10 days is the most common recommendation. "

And, of course, the woman's wishes have absolutely no bearing here. She wanted the procedure done, but no, she had to suffer in pain and mental anguish for weeks because Republicans just can't have enough control over other people.

Stop pretending this is about saving lives. This is about punishment. This is about making women suffer. This is about control.

 

[Gordon_4]

Weird thing, I live in one of the handful of states where bestiality is not illegal (unless it physically harms the animal, in which case it qualifies as regular old animal abuse).

This is a direct consequence of LGBT rights. How, you ask? We had one of those "crimes against nature" laws that made various sorts of deemed-unacceptable sexual conduct illegal, and it was repealed to legalize homosexual sex. No replacement for the part of that same law to re-ban bestiality has passed since, though it gets proposed most years and then dies quietly because there are more important things going on then bothering the handful of folks who want to screw the pooch literally rather than just figuratively.

That's weirdly hilarious and awful all at once.

 

[Buyetyen]

I see conservatives are still stuck on the heartbeat thing. I suppose it wouldn't do any good to point out that the heart is not in fact the seat of human consciousness.

 

[tstorm823]

And, of course, the woman's wishes have absolutely no bearing here. She wanted the procedure done, but no, she had to suffer in pain and mental anguish for weeks because Republicans just can't have enough control over other people.

Stop pretending this is about saving lives. This is about punishment. This is about making women suffer. This is about control.

Do you go to the doctor and tell them what surgeries to perform on you? Is that a normal thing for you, you say "hey, I need an appendectomy in the next 24 hours, do it"? Or do doctor's typically make recommendations for you to choose to take them up on?

You need this to be cruel, you need this to be evil, because you can't stand the idea that people might have valid disagreements with you.

 

[tstorm823]

I see conservatives are still stuck on the heartbeat thing. I suppose it wouldn't do any good to point out that the heart is not in fact the seat of human consciousness.

Consciousness was never the standard. Viability has often been the standard. The probability of a healthy pregnancy increases dramatically with the detection of a heartbeat. That's the logic.

 

[McElroy]

" There are a few possible reasons for the absence of a heartbeat on ultrasound. If you have no other symptoms, rechecking with another ultrasound seven to 10 days is the most common recommendation. "

"Sometimes a lack of a fetal heartbeat does indicate a definite miscarriage. These situations include:

• Having previously seen the heartbeat but finding no heartbeat on a subsequent ultrasound"

And from the People article:

noting that an ultrasound at around 7 weeks showed that everything with her baby was normal.
However, another ultrasound two weeks later revealed Stell suffered a pregnancy loss. "[The doctor] said there is no heartbeat. There is no viable pregnancy,"

There was no reason to keep the lump in there for any longer. Somebody's taking the piss. It's pretty grim if abortion laws really are to blame here.

 

[tstorm823]

"Sometimes a lack of a fetal heartbeat does indicate a definite miscarriage. These situations include:

• Having previously seen the heartbeat but finding no heartbeat on a subsequent ultrasound"

And from the People article:

There was no reason to keep the lump in there for any longer. Somebody's taking the piss. It's pretty grim if abortion laws really are to blame here.

"Everything was normal" does not necessarily include a heartbeat detected at 7 weeks.