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SlasherX

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So I haven't heard anything about the ruling recently and I'm wondering what has been happening. Becasuse I'm dreading hearing something along the lines of 5-3 ruling in favor of Schwarzenegger blah blah blah. Cause guys if this happened I would probably outright cry. So any have any news because this has had me anxious for a while, because if this happened gaming as a genre is fucked and I don't think it will ever come back.
 

Spartan448

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Didn't they decide this in the 80's or something, after a Senate investigation by Joe Liberman?

And if they didn't than games like Halo: Reach and AC: Brotherhood DEFINATELY show that games are art.
 

Nostalgia Ripoff

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I haven't heard anything, no. But, when the court does rule anything, The Escapist will definitely write an article.
 

SwishiestB0g

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Spartan448 said:
Didn't they decide this in the 80's or something, after a Senate investigation by Joe Liberman?

And if they didn't than games like Halo: Reach and AC: Brotherhood DEFINATELY show that games are art.
Please tell me those aren't your main go to: Games are Art games.

Don't get me wrong, I love them lots, but I think Limbo or Portal are more artistic.


Nostalgia Ripoff said:
I haven't heard anything, no. But, when the court does rule anything, The Escapist will definitely write an article.
Also this, when a decision this big about games goes through, the Escapist (and probably everyone else) will be all over it. One way or the other. I think they predicted June or July for the outcome though, but don't quote me on that.
 

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L3m0n_L1m3 said:
Uhh, what exactly are you talking about?
I think he's talking about the Supreme Court's decision about whether or not videogames are art.
No, it's to debate whether minors have the mental capacity to buy violent games for themselves or something like that. Seriously, upgrade you schools or something California.

Watch Extra Credits. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1961-Free-Speech]
 

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MercurySteam said:
SwishiestB0g said:
L3m0n_L1m3 said:
Uhh, what exactly are you talking about?
I think he's talking about the Supreme Court's decision about whether or not videogames are art.
Not it's to debate whether minors have the mental capacity to buy violent games for themselves or something like that. Seriously, upgrade you schools or something California.

Watch Extra Credits. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1961-Free-Speech]
Thank you for clearing that up. I swear there was something about if videogames are art and being protected... Anyways, go Extra Credits!
 

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SwishiestB0g said:
Okay, you've got me there on Reach, but I haven't bought Portal 2 yet, and you have to admit that the environments in Brotherhood look awesome. Not to mention the blood splattering and how realistic the famous landmarks look. You probably can't scamper along them like Ezio does, but still.... it looks awesome.
 

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Xzi said:
SwishiestB0g said:
L3m0n_L1m3 said:
Uhh, what exactly are you talking about?
I think he's talking about the Supreme Court's decision about whether or not videogames are art.
That's not what they're ruling on. It's whether or not games are protected by free speech, and therefore whether or not they can be regulated in the same manner as alcohol, tobacco, or pornography. It would only apply to the state of California, but it sets a dangerous precedent. Not to mention that there are several developers stationed in California.
This is the real ruling. It's about 1st amendment protection for the medium. If it gets protection, things will remain as they are. If not, the medium will be regulated. First in California.
 

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@ SwishiestB0g Not art, free speech. If games are free speech, it's constitutionally protected and access to it can't be limited by legal mandate. I don't think that's the topic of the current case. As stated above, it's whether or not retailers can be criminally charged for selling violent games to minors (right now ESRB is locally enforced by the stores themselves, not law).

@Spartan448 Art is not imagery or its adherence to realism, it is the subjective capacity of a piece to provoke an emotional experience on the part of the viewer/player through a chosen medium (the broadest definition I can think of). You sure do come away from Reach and Brotherhood feeling "wow, that was impressive and fun" but no one (that I know of) cried at the heroic death scene of Unnamed Spartan X at the end. Everyone remember how they felt when the end credits rolled in Half-Life 2: Episode 2? I sure do. How about the ways Eternal Darkness or Silent Hill would go out of their way to interact with you as a player and disturb you on a deep emotional level? I'd also concur with Limbo because it's almost like interactive poetry.
 

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SlasherX said:
So I haven't heard anything about the ruling recently and I'm wondering what has been happening. Becasuse I'm dreading hearing something along the lines of 5-3 ruling in favor of Schwarzenegger blah blah blah. Cause guys if this happened I would probably outright cry. So any have any news because this has had me anxious for a while, because if this happened gaming as a genre is fucked and I don't think it will ever come back.
Given most of the questions asked by the courts, I have a pretty good feeling that they'll come down on the side of the industry.

If you read this Joystiq article

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/03/schwarzenegger-vs-ema-the-recap/

There is a embedded transcript of the hearing, and pretty much out of the gate, by like page 4 Justice Scalia of all people is going to town on the kneecaps of the government's lawyer. The rest of the Justices join in pretty much right after and pick apart his argument.

Say what you will about the Supreme court, but there First Amendment jurisprudence is VERY inclusive. If the Westboro Baptist Church has First Amendment protection, then by all means, video games should have it.
 

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MercurySteam said:
SwishiestB0g said:
L3m0n_L1m3 said:
Uhh, what exactly are you talking about?
I think he's talking about the Supreme Court's decision about whether or not videogames are art.
No, it's to debate whether minors have the mental capacity to buy violent games for themselves or something like that. Seriously, upgrade you schools or something California.

Watch Extra Credits. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1961-Free-Speech]
I very much doubt that the Surpreme Court will rule in favour of them I believe the case only got through was so that it can finally be settled once and for all and make all the controversy stop