Take a Crash-Course in How To Buy a Video Card

number2301

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Voxels, now there's a term I've not heard in a long time! I remember when they were the next big thing with Delta Force and Outcase :)
 

Croaker42

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Andy Chalk said:
It skips the hardcore details about fill rates and jiggle physics
Every gamer, PC or Console should know about "Jiggle Physics"

OT/ Guides are good and all but it never hurts to do research. It only takes a little looking around to make in informed decision.
 

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Fensfield said:
What I can never get my head around is makers. The specific cards have so many different makers for a single model and none seem to make a jot of difference but have different prices. What's going on? x.x
Well, for the reference cards (that is cards built to Nvidia's or ATI's specifications) that is pretty true. In that case you just buy from a manufacturer you trust. Beyond reference you start getting into different cooling solutions, factory overclocks and of course the tweaking software.
 

Nurb

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What's annoying is that PC gaming is getting to the point where unless you drop the price of an xbox every 6-18 months, you won't get to max out the eye candy
 

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mikozero said:
spasicle said:
Everything about this article is wrong. A $700 GPU is completely pointless if your CPU, Ram, and other specs aren't capable of handling it. That's like putting a V12 into a pinto and expecting it to run 100% better. And those fancy expensive cards arn't cost-effective. Any graphics card over $200 has a rapidly diminishing dollar-to-performance ratio. That $700 card is only going to get 30% more performance of the $100-$200 card.
this is true.

ATI fails because of shitty drivers as far as i'm personally concerned.

as for having a CRT or not as far as i'm concerned we are ignoring the flaws in fixed resolution flat panels in relation to resolution switching for the sake of aesthetics.

i still have a nice big CRT around and i refuse to slag them off as redundant and any real PC gamer should know why.



if you in the market and want to choose a video card go to Toms Hardware and check the regularly updated "Best Graphics Cards For The Money" feature:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-geforce-radeon,2761.html

(personally i have my eye on a GTX 460 because i wanna get away from ATIs crappy drivers)
Not anymore though. With the advent of the HD 9000+ series, their drivers are VASTLY improved over not only their older drivers, but nVidia's. Someone I know recently bought an Alienware laptop (groan if you wish) that has one of nVidia's newer mobility cards. Long story short, it absolutely will not allow him to play practically any game using direct draw or any game older than 2001. Diablo 2 crashes or just plain old bugs out. Starcraft gets minimized into a tiny little window with big ass letterbox-like black bars surrounding it. Etc, etc, etc.

Now, I've taken a look at the thing. Fiddled with both the software and hardware side of things. Even did a thorough search of nVidia's site. There isn't one single fix, patch, or driver update that addresses the issues.
 

thenumberthirteen

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Andy Chalk said:
Do you want DVI, HDMI, mini-HDMI, DisplayPort, mini-DisplayPort or perhaps even the old analog VGA? (If you answered analog VGA, quit playing around and buy yourself a new monitor, too.)
What's wrong with VGA? I use my LCD TV as a monitor, and I get a better picture from VGA than HDMI. I don't notice any issues.
 

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One of the best budget options right now is the Radeon 5770. In fact, it's got the best power/price ratio there is. Not only that, but running two of those cards in Crossfire is a popular alternative to higher end cards.
 

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Here's lesson number one: When it comes to money, more is better.

I could not disagree more. In my experience there is a sharp drop-off in bang-for-buck as you move into the top-end video cards. A $100 video card will generally play any new game with smooth framerates on medium settings - ie., still superior graphics to a console. (And that's assuming a 1920x1080 display - a smaller area will be even cheaper). For $200, you can probably play any new game on high graphics settings. The extra $500 that the article is suggesting you drop on your graphics card will allow you to ramp up the graphics on a mere handful of games to levels which are barely an improvement over what a $200 card could deliver.

So in short, for under $200 you can get a perfectly decent card which will offer a superior experience to console graphics. On top of this, the graphics card is by far the easiest component to upgrade - so if you're building a PC from scratch, it's actually the best place to save money. Pick up a $100-200 card and use that for a year, upgrade it later when you have the cash (or when better cards come down in price).

Spend the cash on the best processor and motherboard that fits your budget - they will be a much better investment and are much harder to upgrade later.
 

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dragontiers said:
What I need is a guide that will straight up tell me what will and won't work to upgrade my current setup. Some sort of computer scan that can check your motherboard, etc and tell you what brands will work and what ones won't. That's the big thing stopping me from upgrading my video card. I don't mind spending a couple of hundred dollars on one, but I can't afford to spend that much on one only to find out it isn't compatible with my current setup.
Google your motherboard (or just look at the manual), it'll tell you what graphics slot you have. It's almost certainly PCI-E (aka PCI Express or sometimes PCI-E*16), and that will accept any PCI-E card. The only other possible issue is whether your power supply can drive it - if you're 500W or more (read the rating off the PSU) you should be fine for a single card.
 

mikespoff

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mikozero said:
if you in the market and want to choose a video card go to Toms Hardware and check the regularly updated "Best Graphics Cards For The Money" feature:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-geforce-radeon,2761.html
That's a great resource and a must for anyone wanting a quick guide to buying a graphics card.

Note especially that they have cards listed around the $100-$150 mark which still offer good performance on new games at 1920x1080 resolution.
 

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I'm still rocking a 2007-issue nVidia 8800GT, but New Vegas is showing me I'd better cut my outsized lunch budget (campus student center food court, how I love thee), drop 20 pounds, and take advantage of my good credit to get my hands on a new gaming PC.
 

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Woodsey said:
I don't think you can really afford to have a half-arsed processor these days either.

And $700 (what, £350?) is way more than is needed for a superb experience.
Anymore you need to do at least duo core but if you are buying new then quad core is a good step to have a decent lifetime on your system. As much RAM gets included with your video card, it is still gonna butt in on your main RAM so you will want that too.
I don't know where you get all this from Andy, but it may be good to do some follow up with other sources.
I myself am not that greedy for graphics power, which is helped by my tight budget, but my latest graphics card has been doing a dang good job, and it cost me only about $100. I can see where higher end would be nice, but spending more than $300 is being ridiculous. These days there should be more emphasis on the budget-minded gamer, but even on a budget you really don't have to make many sacrifices to get a decent gaming experience. Nice thing about desktops is you don't have to get it all at once. If you start with a new system go with a weaker end video card that you can swap out for newer later on. Just make sure the more permanent stuff will stay relevant for a while. Processor and Motherboard pretty much. I got lucky with getting a board that had PCI-e before anything(affordable anyway at the time) was being made to fill it. I have only had to upgrade the power unit(with that alone my system runs cooler already and therefore smoother) and graphics card(doubled the RAM and got support for shadows in my Assassin's Creed 2. Nice) once in its lifetime and add a cpl gigs of ram(Which helps Windows boot up faster though I am already getting hints that efficiency is starting to slip, which means I need to get up to 7 which I can with this). All without having to go all out on a new system.
Frankly I find the lesson that less money is better, as it makes you more conscious of getting something worth upgrading up to, but will also have staying power. People with lots of money tend to think less about the future so much and will buy the stuff more likely to burn out faster.
But there is one thing that is right in this article, is do research on what you are going to buy and do not depend on the store salesman alone. Today I went to Best Buy to look at Hard Drives to know what is out there(I still can't get over Terabyte being available, but wow is it needed!). I learned there is a new connection interface which I need to see if my Motherboard supports, as well as follow up with what else is out there like on Amazon and NewEgg. It is the harder path but in the case of your computer, the work is worth extending the life of your PC and keeping your gaming experience alive.
 
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Woodsey said:
I don't think you can really afford to have a half-arsed processor these days either.

And $700 (what, £350?) is way more than is needed for a superb experience.
Indeed, I bought mine 2 years ago for $200, along with the rest of my rig(except hard drive, which I had beforehand) for about $100 and its still going strong today.

Whoever spends lots of money upgrading their systems every year is a fool. A rich fool.
 

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I should get a new video card sometime soon, but I keep putting it off because in addition to a card I'll also need to get a new power supply and I'm lazy.
 

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Or you know, maybe... JUST MAYBE, you could grow a fucking brain and learn how the technology you depend on every day works. I know that its probably too much to ask, but I have to try.
 

Andy Chalk

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For the record, I'm running a 256 meg BFG GeForce 7950 GS OC that I picked up off a buy/sell/trade forum back in early 2008. It's been a fantastic piece of equipment, it's still quite capable and I plan on using it for the foreseeable future. People who say that PCs are bottomless money pits that have to be constantly upgrade in order to be maintained as viable gaming machines have no idea what they're talking about.

That said, the fundamental point of the guide is accurate: More money = better experience. Is it suggesting that you drop a $700 video card into your three-year-old Gateway? Of course not. It points non-technical types in the right direction, gives them a few potential speed bumps to watch out for and makes it clear that a $200 card is going to be better than a $100 card. Freaking out because it's not Tom's or Anandtech is pointless, because it's not meant to be.
 

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So true. The video card makes or breaks it.

I'm still not good at all when choosing the 'correct' parts. Usually have to rely on my more experienced friends, but that's not going to be good in the long run (dependency = nonsustainable)