Talk about prejudice...

[Chris H]

The problem with bringing up Intelligent Design but not wanting to talk religion is that religion was fundamental in the creation of intelligent design. It is on record (and if you wish i will look up the sources best I can) that Intelligent Design was developed in response to the fact the creationalism was not accepted to be taught as it was intrinsically tied to Christianity.

Thus intelligent Design was born, which is the same theory but made non specific. However most of the promotional material still is intrinsically tied to Christianity and its creators have said that it is good for getting a stepping stone to getting creationalism taught in schools.

Thus it is tied to religion and cannot be reasonably discussed without at least addressing these issues at some point to give context to the discussion.

Chris

 

[shadowstriker86]

well see thats the thing about math, we know the definition and its teachings but we dont know how exactly it works, like a doorbell. you push the button activating the electrical switch to activate the bell. that's the answer im looking for. but ya i should took a philosophy of science class to try to get a step further to my goal.

Or maybe you'll find something that will make you rethink your goal. Who knows?

well once i find out the answers i'll have to make new goals. i have a bit of OCD when it comes to questions, i need to know the answers. dont know why i but i do enjoy the journey of looking for them.

 

[electric_warrior]

my philosophy teacher believes we were visited by aliens millions of years ago who made us...... i have little respect for the man

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

my philosophy teacher believes we were visited by aliens millions of years ago who made us...... i have little respect for the man

Mine used Star Wars as an example in her essay on Psychopaths and Morality. I adore her.

 

[shadowstriker86]

well see thats the thing about math, we know the definition and its teachings but we dont know how exactly it works, like a doorbell. you push the button activating the electrical switch to activate the bell. that's the answer im looking for. but ya i should took a philosophy of science class to try to get a step further to my goal.

Or maybe you'll find something that will make you rethink your goal. Who knows?

well once i find out the answers i'll have to make new goals. i have a bit of OCD when it comes to questions, i need to know the answers. dont know why i but i do enjoy the journey of looking for them.

In that case a maths question that may interest you

why does .9999 reoccurring equal 1

enjoy, and if you wish i will give worked proof for .999 etc being equal to 1

Chris

you know i would actually like that proof because that reminded me of a math question from a long time ago, someone had told me that on a calculator for some reason .999999998 plus itself equals 1 or somthing, it might acutally be your question but i'll look it up just to make sure

 

[messy]

well see thats the thing about math, we know the definition and its teachings but we dont know how exactly it works, like a doorbell. you push the button activating the electrical switch to activate the bell. that's the answer im looking for. but ya i should took a philosophy of science class to try to get a step further to my goal.

Or maybe you'll find something that will make you rethink your goal. Who knows?

well once i find out the answers i'll have to make new goals. i have a bit of OCD when it comes to questions, i need to know the answers. dont know why i but i do enjoy the journey of looking for them.

In that case a maths question that may interest you

why does .9999 reoccurring equal 1

enjoy, and if you wish i will give worked proof for .999 etc being equal to 1

Chris

Technically it doesn't because 1/3 does not actually = 0.3333 it goes on for infinity. Our mathematically system can not handle 1 divided by 3 with conventional decimals so the closest approximation is 0.33333 (for all time).

 

[Chris H]

well see thats the thing about math, we know the definition and its teachings but we dont know how exactly it works, like a doorbell. you push the button activating the electrical switch to activate the bell. that's the answer im looking for. but ya i should took a philosophy of science class to try to get a step further to my goal.

Or maybe you'll find something that will make you rethink your goal. Who knows?

well once i find out the answers i'll have to make new goals. i have a bit of OCD when it comes to questions, i need to know the answers. dont know why i but i do enjoy the journey of looking for them.

In that case a maths question that may interest you

why does .9999 reoccurring equal 1

enjoy, and if you wish i will give worked proof for .999 etc being equal to 1

Chris

you know i would actually like that proof because that reminded me of a math question from a long time ago, someone had told me that on a calculator for some reason .999999998 plus itself equals 1 or somthing, it might acutally be your question but i'll look it up just to make sure

ok to start .99 reoccurring is a zero followed by infinity nines after the decimal place, not a lot of zeros but infinity, it never ends - this is important.

so we have .999etc

times it by ten

we have 9.999etc which is equal to ten lots of .99etc

important at this point is that we have 9 followed by infinite nines after the decimal place, due to the nature of infinity there is not one less 9 after the decimal place than before there is exactly the same, infinity.

we then minus one incidence of .99etc

we now have 9 which is nine lots of .999etc

if we divide by nine to give us the original figure back we have

1

(to put in short ((10*.99etc)-.999etc)/9 = 1)

any questions?

Chris

 

[Chris H]

well see thats the thing about math, we know the definition and its teachings but we dont know how exactly it works, like a doorbell. you push the button activating the electrical switch to activate the bell. that's the answer im looking for. but ya i should took a philosophy of science class to try to get a step further to my goal.

Or maybe you'll find something that will make you rethink your goal. Who knows?

well once i find out the answers i'll have to make new goals. i have a bit of OCD when it comes to questions, i need to know the answers. dont know why i but i do enjoy the journey of looking for them.

In that case a maths question that may interest you

why does .9999 reoccurring equal 1

enjoy, and if you wish i will give worked proof for .999 etc being equal to 1

Chris

Technically it doesn't because 1/3 does not actually = 0.3333 it goes on for infinity. Our mathematically system can not handle 1 divided by 3 with conventional decimals so the closest approximation is 0.33333 (for all time).

Ive posted the proof above, .99etc is exactly 1

Chris

 

[A random person]

I'd like to raise my hand at this point and say im an athiest and i'd subscribe to the idea of intelligent design ^^ having done A-level Biology, some of the things we learn about are just SO amazing...

*Head explodes from contradiction*
Some biological structures are rather incredible (like the eye), but they don't quite preclude evolution.

 

[Zacharine]

My view on the subject.

1. when does life start/end?

Assuming you mean life in general?

I'd say an organic (<-chemistry definition here) self-replicator capabale of utilizing it's environment for it's survival. but here's a more definitive one:

"It fulfills the four criteria needed to establish biological life:

1. metabolism,
2. growth,
3. reaction to stimuli, and
4. reproduction"

(taken from http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fetu.htm)

Assumining you mean human life? Well, in theory the moment of conception since the genome definitely is there, but by that definition a tumour would be alive. So let's go with the medical one some of the doctors have come up and say around 10 days after conception. Most pregnancies that terminate don't get that far.

Depends really what you would mean by human life. The collection of cells isn't even called a fetus until it's 10th week. If thought is required, then it will take a lot, lot longer than 10 days to begin developing even the most basic brain-like structure.

EDIT: When does life end? Medical definition:

"The uniform determination of death. The National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws in 1980 formulated the Uniform Determination of Death Act. It states that: "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards." (taken from http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=33438)

2. when will we be able to use more than just 7% of our minds, and when we do, what will happen?

This is an urban myth. Human brain is at any given time using between 14-20% of their synaptic connections. However, the connections that are used variate quite a bit. The entire human mind is used at one point or another during a standard working day, possibly even in minutes. I'm no brain surgeon, so go ask a doctor for more information.

3. how does math work? (my dad bet me 1k that i couldnt figure it out within the next 5 years)

Math is a human created tool, meant to act as an analogue of the real world when required and to present ideas and logical chains of thought in numerical and symbolic form. All math is based upon axioms, such as 'Given any number x, x-x=y. We shall call the number y 'zero''. The axioms define the symbols and numbers used, as well as the mathematical operators used to manipulate them.

Understanding these axioms leads to an understanding of mathematics. A daunting task, certainly not easily done, but now you know how math works. Nowhere did you say you had to actually know maths, only how math works

 

[messy]

well see thats the thing about math, we know the definition and its teachings but we dont know how exactly it works, like a doorbell. you push the button activating the electrical switch to activate the bell. that's the answer im looking for. but ya i should took a philosophy of science class to try to get a step further to my goal.

Or maybe you'll find something that will make you rethink your goal. Who knows?

well once i find out the answers i'll have to make new goals. i have a bit of OCD when it comes to questions, i need to know the answers. dont know why i but i do enjoy the journey of looking for them.

In that case a maths question that may interest you

why does .9999 reoccurring equal 1

enjoy, and if you wish i will give worked proof for .999 etc being equal to 1

Chris

Technically it doesn't because 1/3 does not actually = 0.3333 it goes on for infinity. Our mathematically system can not handle 1 divided by 3 with conventional decimals so the closest approximation is 0.33333 (for all time).

Ive posted the proof above, .99etc is exactly 1

Chris

I understand your proof but doesn't it fall down if you do 9*0.99 which will = 8.9999999 (etc) which means you have two different answers from the same function, which doesn't occur with linear equations. Also the whole concept of infinity is a tricky one to multiple (are maths teacher told us to never try to use it because its so hard to define/use/comprehend) that it cant really be used in conventionally mathematics.

Because if you do 1/infinite = 0

Times both sides by infinite and since anything times by 0 equals 0

Then 1 = 0 which pokes a few holes in the mathematical systems (not at the least binary)

 

[GothmogII]

Often wondered about Scientology in relation to human origins. I mean, the basic idea isn't really all that wilder than simply: God did it. I mean, at least aliens can either exist or not exist, unlike a God which from what I've seen can't be proven either way. (Or at least neither side is willing to admit otherwise.)

I mean, is it because of Scientology's almost cultish activities that taints the idea and pushes it into the realm of crackpots? When, as above, it's really not all that much more crazy than a man in the sky forming something out of nothing.

 

[felltablet]

While science and religion are at war for many different reasons, a major cause is due to the religious attempting to validate literal biblical claims using science.
They fail,
blame the scientific community,
blame science,
and claim to be persecuted.

-ie: see Ben Stein's "Expelled" possibly the worst documentary in recent times.

While I'm an atheist now, My church and I previously believed that evolution was just another tool that God employed. It is quite easy to imagine once you turn the genesis account in to metaphor, and realize that time would be irrelevant to a supreme being.

 

[Chris H]

well see thats the thing about math, we know the definition and its teachings but we dont know how exactly it works, like a doorbell. you push the button activating the electrical switch to activate the bell. that's the answer im looking for. but ya i should took a philosophy of science class to try to get a step further to my goal.

Or maybe you'll find something that will make you rethink your goal. Who knows?

well once i find out the answers i'll have to make new goals. i have a bit of OCD when it comes to questions, i need to know the answers. dont know why i but i do enjoy the journey of looking for them.

In that case a maths question that may interest you

why does .9999 reoccurring equal 1

enjoy, and if you wish i will give worked proof for .999 etc being equal to 1

Chris

Technically it doesn't because 1/3 does not actually = 0.3333 it goes on for infinity. Our mathematically system can not handle 1 divided by 3 with conventional decimals so the closest approximation is 0.33333 (for all time).

Ive posted the proof above, .99etc is exactly 1

Chris

I understand your proof but doesn't it fall down if you do 9*0.99 which will = 8.9999999 (etc) which means you have two different answers from the same function, which doesn't occur with linear equations. Also the whole concept of infinity is a tricky one to multiple (are maths teacher told us to never try to use it because its so hard to define/use/comprehend) that it cant really be used in conventionally mathematics.

Because if you do 1/infinite = 0

Times both sides by infinite and since anything times by 0 equals 0

Then 1 = 0 which pokes a few holes in the mathematical systems (not at the least binary)

9 *.99etc = 8.99etc is only a problem if you refuse .99etc = 1 because if .999etc = 1 then x.99etc = x+1 so 8.99etc = 9.

the reason why it is this way is because a number is defined by being where there is not a number that can be found between it and another number. Since .99etc goes to infinity there is not a point where it ends in .00000etc0001 thus they are counted as the same number.

Strangely mathematicians have constructed a set of rules where .999etc does not =1 however it is used to show how this is a bad plan as it apparently breaks many other things

(what I couldn?t say - at this point the maths got too hardcore for me to follow I?m afraid ? I?m a man who knows his limits)

Chris

 

[shadowstriker86]

My view on the subject.

1. when does life start/end?

Assuming you mean life in general?

I'd say an organic (<-chemistry definition here) self-replicator capabale of utilizing it's environment for it's survival. but here's a more definitive one:

"It fulfills the four criteria needed to establish biological life:

1. metabolism,
2. growth,
3. reaction to stimuli, and
4. reproduction"

(taken from http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fetu.htm)

Assumining you mean human life? Well, in theory the moment of conception since the genome definitely is there, but by that definition a tumour would be alive. So let's go with the medical one some of the doctors have come up and say around 10 days after conception. Most pregnancies that terminate don't get that far.

Depends really what you would mean by human life. If thought is required, then it will take a lot, lot longer than 10 days to begin developing even the most basic brain-like structure.

2. when will we be able to use more than just 7% of our minds, and when we do, what will happen?

This is an urban myth. Human brain is at any given time using between 14-20% of their synaptic connections. However, the connections that are used variate quite a bit. The entire human mind is used at one point or another during a standard working day, possibly even in minutes. I'm no brain surgeon, so go ask a doctor for more information.

3. how does math work? (my dad bet me 1k that i couldnt figure it out within the next 5 years)

Math is a human created tool, meant to act as an analogue of the real world when required and to present ideas and logical chains of thought in numerical and symbolic form. All math is based upon axioms, such as 'Given any number x, x-x=y. We shall call the number y 'zero''. The axioms define the symbols and numbers used, as well as the mathematical operators used to manipulate them.

Understanding these axioms leads to an understanding of mathematics. A daunting task, certainly not easily done, but now you know how math works. Nowhere did you say you had to actually know maths, only how math works

1. human life, when it starts and ends. my best guess is that it begins at conception because of the 23 chromosones from both parents going into action and creating a new organism, its a tough question to answer no doubt but not impossible. when life ends is the harder one, all because of terry shchivo (if i even spelled the name right)

2. both literal and philosophical question, lots of numbers i see thrown around so im not sure as to the real number we use and philosophical as in when will we as a people be able to comprehend so much more than what we know right now?

3. well thats one step closer lol but unfortunatly my understanding of how math works doesnt stop with just the answer because as my father told me "when you can break something down to the point where can fully explain it to a full blown nimrod, thats when you truly understand something".

 

[Chris H]

Oh and for smarter people than me

http://www.mathsisfun.com/calculus/limits-infinity.html

the talk on what happens when 1 is divided by approaching infinity

Chris

 

[shadowstriker86]

well see thats the thing about math, we know the definition and its teachings but we dont know how exactly it works, like a doorbell. you push the button activating the electrical switch to activate the bell. that's the answer im looking for. but ya i should took a philosophy of science class to try to get a step further to my goal.

Or maybe you'll find something that will make you rethink your goal. Who knows?

well once i find out the answers i'll have to make new goals. i have a bit of OCD when it comes to questions, i need to know the answers. dont know why i but i do enjoy the journey of looking for them.

In that case a maths question that may interest you

why does .9999 reoccurring equal 1

enjoy, and if you wish i will give worked proof for .999 etc being equal to 1

Chris

you know i would actually like that proof because that reminded me of a math question from a long time ago, someone had told me that on a calculator for some reason .999999998 plus itself equals 1 or somthing, it might acutally be your question but i'll look it up just to make sure

ok to start .99 reoccurring is a zero followed by infinity nines after the decimal place, not a lot of zeros but infinity, it never ends - this is important.

so we have .999etc

times it by ten

we have 9.999etc which is equal to ten lots of .99etc

important at this point is that we have 9 followed by infinite nines after the decimal place, due to the nature of infinity there is not one less 9 after the decimal place than before there is exactly the same, infinity.

we then minus one incidence of .99etc

we now have 9 which is nine lots of .999etc

if we divide by nine to give us the original figure back we have

1

(to put in short ((10*.99etc)-.999etc)/9 = 1)

any questions?

Chris

wow, seriously gonna need a calculator for that one lol

 

[Cpt. Red]

Because 0.999... have infinite number of 9's after it can only be interpreted by using limits. And the limit of the sequence (0.9, 0.99, 0.999,...) is 1 therefore 0.999...=1.
Also read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999... if you still doubt it...

 

[CNKFan]

So i'm in my anthropology class having a discussion with the teacher about why humans are unique and i mention the words intelligent design and she immediately says she wont bring religion into the discussion and ends it by changing the subject completely and moving on as if the conversation never took place. I mean wtf, i never meant religion in the first place so what gives her the right to just assume and end what couldve been a complete rational discussion? mind you this teacher has a phd and later in the class said she was sad because indiana jones wasnt real -_- your thoughts?

Maybe you ment were we created by aliens or something like we are a science experiment. And if I am wrong don't call me a retard or something because I do believe in evoloution.

 

[newguy77]

Also, about the .999etc.=1, here are two other ways it could be done.

1) 1/9=.111etc., 2/9=.222etc., so on until 9/9=.999etc. or 1

2) If you have .999etc., to make it one you would have to add .000etc1, which can't be done since the zeros would go on forever and you couldn't fit the one in anywhere.