Tamiflu and You

[SyphonX]

I've been keeping an eye on any news that might surface regarding 'mass-vaccinations' in response to the Swine Flu panic.

I came across a small article on prisonplanet.com that summarized some Associate Press reports and a disturbing Time magazine article.

I'll italicize the words and remarks that disturb me the most, as well as provide links to the said articles in the AP and Time magazine.

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FDA Approves Emergency Measures For "Mass Dosing" Of U.S. Citizens

Paul Joseph Watson
Tuesday, April 28, 2009

The FDA has approved "emergency measures" to carry out "mass dosings" of U.S. citizens with antiviral drugs in the event of a widespread swine flu pandemic.

An Associated Press report states that the new powers would allow the drugs to be distributed to a "broader range of the population" than present measures allow.

The drugs, primarily Tamiflu and Relenza, would be "distributed to larger segments of the population without complying with the approved label requirements," according to the report.

The announcement follows a similar directive issued last night, which would allow Tamiflu to be used to treat children under the age of 1 and to provide doses higher than originally approved for children over the age of 1.

As we reported this morning, a Time Magazine article prepares Americans to accept mandatory enforced vaccination and says that citizens should "trust" the government and "forgive" them if the vaccination itself results in deaths and injuries, as happened during the 1796 swine flu fiasco, when the U.S. government attempted to mass vaccinate the entire population.
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Associated Press report:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h2--2dic1xYPF5vwQWebUipBW6AgD97RFGBG1

Time Magazine article:
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1894129,00.html
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This trend is starting to alarm me. From what I've gathered in the initial reports of the Swine Flu outbreak, the strain itself is unlike anything ever seen by the medical field. It's a completely unknown strain.

So, if this is true, what will a vaccination that previously gave a slim chance to resist older strains do for a new and supposedly deadly strain.

We're talking forced vaccinations people, not a "You're welcome to get one at the doctor's office." No, they're talking about a balls to the wall vaccination of the entire population. I for one, will not accept this "vaccine". I'll keep my perfectly functioning immune system as opposed to crashing it with the vaccine and getting a hefty dose of dangerous chemicals; oh and did I mention risk of death and injury?

Maybe this doesn't bother you, or maybe you think it's a conspiracy theory. That's fine, you're welcome to think this way. However, when someone comes to your door with some drugs and asks how many people are in your home, or stops you at a roadblock to ask if you've gotten your Tamiflu, don't be surprised.

I hope it doesn't end up like this, but history tends to tell me otherwise.

Oh,and good luck trying to find much more reports on this, that is if you can swim through the sports and reality TV news.

 

[SyphonX]

This should be next to the 'UK and 1984' article..

 

[Agayek]

Ugh... Stuff like this is one of the many reasons why I hate government.

 

[DannyBoy451]

I've been keeping an eye on any news that might surface regarding 'mass-vaccinations' in response to the Swine Flu panic.

I came across a small article on prisonplanet.com...

I stopped reading at about here.

*Puts on tinfoil hat*

 

[gigastrike]

This wouldn't be a total over-reaction or anything...

 

[SyphonX]

I've been keeping an eye on any news that might surface regarding 'mass-vaccinations' in response to the Swine Flu panic.

I came across a small article on prisonplanet.com...

I stopped reading at about here.

*Puts on tinfoil hat*

They comment on articles from the Associated Press and Time magazine. Prisonplanet.com, is irrelevant. Go sit in the corner and wear your tinfoil hat if you want, you invalid.

This never fails to astonish me. People love to be that guy who says Tinfoil Hat or Conspiracy Theorist first. Like they are so uncomfortable with their own sanity and intelligence they must denounce a reputable article from Time magazine or a report from the AP wire. Does the possibility of an overpowering government completely not matter to you? If you don't care, then keep it to yourself.

 

[SimuLord]

You've clearly got some literacy problems if those articles have you thinking this "will" happen or already has started happening. The Time article was a cautionary tale, directed more at the sorts of people who WANT the government to show up at their door with feel-better drugs and was a veiled dig at the nanny state and the kinds of people who demand it. The AP article merely pointed out that if desperate measures are required, the FDA won't hold it up in bureaucracy while people die.

But hey, you'll read what you want to read out of it.

 

[DannyBoy451]

I've been keeping an eye on any news that might surface regarding 'mass-vaccinations' in response to the Swine Flu panic.

I came across a small article on prisonplanet.com...

I stopped reading at about here.

*Puts on tinfoil hat*

They comment on articles from the Associated Press and Time magazine. Prisonplanet.com, is irrelevant. Go sit in the corner and wear your tinfoil hat if you want, you invalid.

This never fails to astonish me. People love to be that guy who says Tinfoil Hat or Conspiracy Theorist first. Like they are so uncomfortable with their own sanity and intelligence they must denounce a reputable article from Time magazine or a report from the AP wire. Does the possibility of an overpowering government completely not matter to you? If you don't care, then keep it to yourself.

See:

You've clearly got some literacy problems if those articles have you thinking this "will" happen or already has started happening. The Time article was a cautionary tale, directed more at the sorts of people who WANT the government to show up at their door with feel-better drugs and was a veiled dig at the nanny state and the kinds of people who demand it. The AP article merely pointed out that if desperate measures are required, the FDA won't hold it up in bureaucracy while people die.

But hey, you'll read what you want to read out of it.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

1762? dude get your history straight. 1918 is when the last swine flu epidemic raged.

 

[DannyBoy451]

1762? dude get your history straight. 1918 is when the last swine flu epidemic raged.

You're thinking of Spanish Flu, the date in the article was 1976, he just copied it out wrong.

 

[BigEaZyE]

I was going to say... The mass vaccination in 1796 probably resulted in deaths and illness because they used 'musket balls' instead of a pill or needle.

Okay everyone, time to get your shots!

 

[SyphonX]

1762? dude get your history straight. 1918 is when the last swine flu epidemic raged.

The article never says the "last" outbreak was 1796.. anyway - It seems to be a typo. He should be referring to the 1976 flu outbreak that started in Fort Dix, NJ. President Ford authorized a mass vaccination that ended up crippling hundreds of people.

Seems as though the 9 and 7 got swapped by mistake. 1796 , 1976.

 

[Doug]

Spoiler

I've been keeping an eye on any news that might surface regarding 'mass-vaccinations' in response to the Swine Flu panic.

I came across a small article on prisonplanet.com that summarized some Associate Press reports and a disturbing Time magazine article.

I'll italicize the words and remarks that disturb me the most, as well as provide links to the said articles in the AP and Time magazine.

----------------


FDA Approves Emergency Measures For "Mass Dosing" Of U.S. Citizens

Paul Joseph Watson
Tuesday, April 28, 2009

The FDA has approved "emergency measures" to carry out "mass dosings" of U.S. citizens with antiviral drugs in the event of a widespread swine flu pandemic.

An Associated Press report states that the new powers would allow the drugs to be distributed to a "broader range of the population" than present measures allow.

The drugs, primarily Tamiflu and Relenza, would be "distributed to larger segments of the population without complying with the approved label requirements," according to the report.

The announcement follows a similar directive issued last night, which would allow Tamiflu to be used to treat children under the age of 1 and to provide doses higher than originally approved for children over the age of 1.

As we reported this morning, a Time Magazine article prepares Americans to accept mandatory enforced vaccination and says that citizens should "trust" the government and "forgive" them if the vaccination itself results in deaths and injuries, as happened during the 1796 swine flu fiasco, when the U.S. government attempted to mass vaccinate the entire population.
--------------------

Associated Press report:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h2--2dic1xYPF5vwQWebUipBW6AgD97RFGBG1

Time Magazine article:
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1894129,00.html
-----------------------

This trend is starting to alarm me. From what I've gathered in the initial reports of the Swine Flu outbreak, the strain itself is unlike anything ever seen by the medical field. It's a completely unknown strain.

So, if this is true, what will a vaccination that previously gave a slim chance to resist older strains do for a new and supposedly deadly strain.

We're talking forced vaccinations people, not a "You're welcome to get one at the doctor's office." No, they're talking about a balls to the wall vaccination of the entire population. I for one, will not accept this "vaccine". I'll keep my perfectly functioning immune system as opposed to crashing it with the vaccine and getting a hefty dose of dangerous chemicals; oh and did I mention risk of death and injury?

Maybe this doesn't bother you, or maybe you think it's a conspiracy theory. That's fine, you're welcome to think this way. However, when someone comes to your door with some drugs and asks how many people are in your home, or stops you at a roadblock to ask if you've gotten your Tamiflu, don't be surprised.

I hope it doesn't end up like this, but history tends to tell me otherwise.

Oh,and good luck trying to find much more reports on this, that is if you can swim through the sports and reality TV news.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call a very loud and clear BULLSHIT on your article for at least 1 simple reason. To wit, there currently IS NO VACCINE for this strain of swine flu. Vaccines for similar strains do have some effect, but are inconsistant at best.

I've been keeping an eye on any news that might surface regarding 'mass-vaccinations' in response to the Swine Flu panic.

I came across a small article on prisonplanet.com...

I stopped reading at about here.

*Puts on tinfoil hat*

This too. Conspiracy theory websites aren't known for being through with there news sources, and/or misreading them. Add to that, the conspiracy theorist mindset is prone to seeing conspiracies everywhere, and no level of proof against their theory actually stops them from believeing it once the seed has been sown.

Seriously, SyphonX, you never read the XKCD comic [http://xkcd.com/258/]?

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

1762? dude get your history straight. 1918 is when the last swine flu epidemic raged.

The article never says the "last" outbreak was 1796.. anyway - It seems to be a typo. He should be referring to the 1976 flu outbreak that started in Fort Dix, NJ. President Ford authorized a mass vaccination that ended up crippling hundreds of people.

Seems as though the 9 and 7 got swapped by mistake. 1796 , 1976.

yeah im jsut activating my spelling/grammar nazi powers. and the Spanish Flu was 20X worse than this Swine Flu.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Well this is smart

 

[SyphonX]

I'm having a great deal of trouble trying to understand the Conspiracy Theory insults. This isn't a conspiracy theory. The FDA has approved measures for Mass Vaccinations. It's not a theory.

Are mass vaccinations happening now?

-No

Will mass vaccinations happen in the future?

-Maybe

Has the FDA already approved such measures and are some media outlets supporting said measures?

-Yes

 

[GodsOneMistake]

Yay panic lol nobody would care if the media didn't blow this out of proportion

 

[DannyBoy451]

I'm having a great deal of trouble trying to understand the Conspiracy Theory insults. This isn't a conspiracy theory. The FDA has approved measures for Mass Vaccinations. It's not a theory.

Are mass vaccinations happening now?

-No

Will mass vaccinations happen in the future?

-Maybe

Has the FDA already approved such measures and are some media outlets supporting said measures?

-Yes

Yes, but the conclusions you've drawn from this, and the conclusions you're inviting us to draw DO ammount to conspiracy theory.

Plus namedropping PrisonPlanet really didn't help.

 

[Bofus Teefus]

I'm having a great deal of trouble trying to understand the Conspiracy Theory insults. This isn't a conspiracy theory. The FDA has approved measures for Mass Vaccinations. It's not a theory.

If you don't want conspiracy theory insults, then don't take a site that is famous for spreading, well, conspiracy theory and quote it as if it is anything other than absolute garbage. Thanks for the links to the Time and AP articles. It shows exactly how much twisting Prisonwhatever.com did when they wrote their poorly conceived article. Now sit back and listen for a bit, little fetus.

The drugs, primarily Tamiflu and Relenza, would be "distributed to larger segments of the population without complying with the approved label requirements," according to the report.

The announcement follows a similar directive issued last night, which would allow Tamiflu to be used to treat children under the age of 1 and to provide doses higher than originally approved for children over the age of 1.

First, your concern about the two mentioned drugs and giving them to kids. They currently are not FDA approved for kids under 1 year old for the same reason that most drugs are not approved in kids at all- no drug company wants to do the research on kids. Most drugs which are used on kids are used off-label, which is a problem, but not the type that you think it is. What's more of a concern to those of us who have an opinion and, unlike you and poisonprison or whatever it's called, have some working knowledge of viral infection and it's treatment to validate our opinion, is that drugs are really not that effective in treating influenza. If I thought I'd been exposed to the flu, however, I'd take Tamiflu. Here's a link to the FDA statment which was sort of reported in the AP release and butchered by prisonboys.com.
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2009/NEW02002.html

As we reported this morning, a Time Magazine article prepares Americans to accept mandatory enforced vaccination and says that citizens should "trust" the government and "forgive" them if the vaccination itself results in deaths and injuries, as happened during the 1796 swine flu fiasco, when the U.S. government attempted to mass vaccinate the entire population.

So I read the Time article to see what the fuss back in 1796 (good old quality control) was about. Ever hear of serum sickness or Guillain-Barre syndrome? Back in the 70's, vaccines used to have a ton of impurities due to the manner in which they were manufactured. The result in some cases was a certain type of allergic reaction, which could . This is currently a non-issue with influenza vaccine, since the manufacturing method has changed significantly.

Did you have anything of value to say? Let me check...here.

So, if this is true, what will a vaccination that previously gave a slim chance to resist older strains do for a new and supposedly deadly strain.

Aside from the horrid punctuation, there seems to be a point here. The system used to determine which influenza strains go into the vaccine each year is that the people who make the decision look at current trends and ...(drum roll)... make a guess. They actually make three guesses each year. The vaccine (the injection, not the nasal formulation) is made using antigens from three strains. There is some cross protection (limited, though) since different strains can have some of the same antigens. Because of this, it's a good idea to still get the flu vaccine. I wouldn't set up roadblocks or anything, though. The protection it will give is similar to when they guess wrong, which happens...frequently.

Oh,and good luck trying to find much more reports on this, that is if you can swim through the sports and reality TV news.

You can also try the FDA or CDC websites. Why not go straight to the source?

 

[setting_son]

I've been keeping an eye on any news that might surface regarding 'mass-vaccinations' in response to the Swine Flu panic.

I came across a small article on prisonplanet.com that summarized some Associate Press reports and a disturbing Time magazine article.

I'll italicize the words and remarks that disturb me the most, as well as provide links to the said articles in the AP and Time magazine.

----------------


FDA Approves Emergency Measures For "Mass Dosing" Of U.S. Citizens

Paul Joseph Watson
Tuesday, April 28, 2009

The FDA has approved "emergency measures" to carry out "mass dosings" of U.S. citizens with antiviral drugs in the event of a widespread swine flu pandemic.

An Associated Press report states that the new powers would allow the drugs to be distributed to a "broader range of the population" than present measures allow.

The drugs, primarily Tamiflu and Relenza, would be "distributed to larger segments of the population without complying with the approved label requirements," according to the report.

The announcement follows a similar directive issued last night, which would allow Tamiflu to be used to treat children under the age of 1 and to provide doses higher than originally approved for children over the age of 1.

As we reported this morning, a Time Magazine article prepares Americans to accept mandatory enforced vaccination and says that citizens should "trust" the government and "forgive" them if the vaccination itself results in deaths and injuries, as happened during the 1796 swine flu fiasco, when the U.S. government attempted to mass vaccinate the entire population.
--------------------

Associated Press report:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h2--2dic1xYPF5vwQWebUipBW6AgD97RFGBG1

Time Magazine article:
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1894129,00.html
-----------------------

This trend is starting to alarm me. From what I've gathered in the initial reports of the Swine Flu outbreak, the strain itself is unlike anything ever seen by the medical field. It's a completely unknown strain.

So, if this is true, what will a vaccination that previously gave a slim chance to resist older strains do for a new and supposedly deadly strain.

We're talking forced vaccinations people, not a "You're welcome to get one at the doctor's office." No, they're talking about a balls to the wall vaccination of the entire population. I for one, will not accept this "vaccine". I'll keep my perfectly functioning immune system as opposed to crashing it with the vaccine and getting a hefty dose of dangerous chemicals; oh and did I mention risk of death and injury?

Maybe this doesn't bother you, or maybe you think it's a conspiracy theory. That's fine, you're welcome to think this way. However, when someone comes to your door with some drugs and asks how many people are in your home, or stops you at a roadblock to ask if you've gotten your Tamiflu, don't be surprised.

I hope it doesn't end up like this, but history tends to tell me otherwise.

Oh,and good luck trying to find much more reports on this, that is if you can swim through the sports and reality TV news.

There is a difference between vaccines and anti-virals. Tamiflu and Relenza are anti-viral drugs not vaccines. And yeah, they have side effects but any medication carries a shed load of side effects - you just have to read the label to see that. You should see the side effects you get with something like Ibuprofen!

Anti-virals often have more severe side effects, yeah. That's because a virus hijacks the host's cellular machinery, which makes it difficult to produce drugs that target enzymes or proteins specific to the virus and that do not harm 'normal' human cells - far harder than antibiotics which target cellular features specific to a bacteria.

You're wrong about Swine Flu beng unique - it isn't completely unlike "anything ever seen in the medical field" - Spanish Flu in 1918 was very similar in terms of who it affected and it had a fairly high mortality rate. We're overdue for another pandemic - the difference between now and then is that we have treatments which may soften the blow.

In any case, I'm not crapping myself over this yet. The media reckoned SARS would kill us all and it turned out to be the least scary disease of all time. Bird Flu hasn't killed us yet either.

I agree with you that medication shouldn't be forced on people who don't want it but I think the US is a long way off of forced treatment. The UK certainly is, since we only have a big enough stock of anti-virals to treat half of the population.

If this becomes a big deal I'll have to work in a hospital, I'm not losing sleep over it and neither should you.