- Apr 25, 2008
Slotting in a famous quote doesn't make for an instant win. The fact that you used it in the conversation where you did is proof that you had no interest in listening to what anyone else had to say, and entered this thread with an agenda. "I'm going to talk at you guys, and my words won't change regardless of your sense." It's like arguing with a conspiracy theorist. Whose the "they" in this example? The "they" that's metaphorically coming for us? Is it it the government? I think Zhukov's point was that, for once, it wasn't, but rather, a business did this of its own accord. Is it Target? Why would they do this? No. The "They" is, sadly, the consumer. And the reason it makes sense to bring this all back into you seeing you in the GG mindset is that you feel that the gamer has a louder voice than he really does. Frankly, there still aren't enough adult gamers yet. At least, not in Target's mind.NuclearKangaroo said:its a figure of speech, im not calling anybody a nazi, or even implying this is in any way similar to the nazi regime, what im trying to say is that, the less we stand up to this bullshit, the less ground we will have to defend our hobby the next time someone tries to bully devs into submission or censor thingsZhukov said:NuclearKangaroo said:"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out?Zhukov said:[snip]
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out?
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me?and there was no one left to speak for me."
Yes, because Nazi purges and the contents Target's video game department are totally comparable things.
If you were anything other than a gamergater I'd think you were joking and have a good chuckle.
As it is, I shall have a good chuckle anyway.
hell theres people in norway at the moment trying to get GTA5 pulled from shelves there as well
you seem utterly unengaged with the debate, why do you get riled up when people tell you you dont know what you are talking about? if you seriously think GG actions are similar to this, you simply DO NOT know what you are talking aboutZhukov said:Nuh uh, you clearly have have no idea what you are talking about!NuclearKangaroo said:yeah you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, this mas been a constant matter of discussion in GG, the idea that social justice advocates are somehow more worth listening to than the general gaming community, this utter lack of communication is what in part spawned things like #notyourshieldZhukov said:However, I am perfectly happy to use this as an opportunity to have a laugh at GG. After all their howling about consumer rights and demanding to be listened and catered to, it's funny to see them outraged over a business listening and catering to the "wrong" consumers.
Oh man, what a devastating argument! The battlefield of online debate shall cower and fall before its irresistible might.
Like I said, I don't particularly approve of this petition or the reasoning behind it. However, the people behind it are free to ask Target to pull any product and the Target barons are free to respond however they please.
I don't think these particular social justice advocates are more worth listening to than Gamergate. Rather, I think Gamergate is just as unworthy as the dreaded SJW extremists they so vehemently rail against. I find both groups equally odorous and it's highly amusing to see one group get its knickers in a knot over the actions of the other when those actions are so similar to their own.