Teen Kills Own Grandmother After Scolding - Update

[Sniper Team 4]

He wasn't even playing the game at the time? I thought maybe she walked in while he was playing, but he was nowhere near the game at the time. This kid has some serious anger issues.

 

[Nogin Bramsev]

Wow, now the title's got changed. This doesn't take away the incredibly poor job of journalism this article makes up.

Killing your own grandma whom raised you herself over a game? That's just a new level of low.

Since even the source article doesn't really assure the interruption of his game made the boy flip - apart from the title and the opening paragraph, the article fails to point out the significance of what the boy was doing before his grandmother fetched him - one cannot assume as a reasonable journalist what needs to be assumed to state the remark above.

Excluding one bit of, as some could argue, crucial information from the source article in the OP - I'm reffering to the line "The aunt told police the boy was always scolded by his grandmother." - might even imply an explicit intent of sensationalism rather than a just a bit too gullible journalist.

The source is too weak to make it into an article on here, as there is close to zero background information on what might have incited the boy to kill his grandmother. And in my opinion it is highly disrespectful to what happend to imply his doing was caused by trivialities.

I am appaled, Escapist.

 

[A-D.]

This is sensationalism at its finest. Its actually got nothing to do with Video games. The attack happened after he got home, where he doesnt have a computer to play since he played it at a computer shop in the neighborhood instead. So it didnt happen DURING the playing of the game, but after. If the interruption of said playtime was the trigger, it would have happened at the store or directly after, not when he got home and got scolded.

Unless confirmed by police reports that the minor was angry at his grandma for interrupting his dota game at 6pm, then yes this is sensationalist.
Just because the boy attacked at home doesn't mean he didn't do it because of the game.

Actually, its sort of implies it. The fact that he states he blacked out, which to be fair is a tenious defense as far as that goes since it cant be proven or disproven easily, and since the report goes further to say that when he realized what had happened that he went to get help and report what happened means that it was an affect-reaction rather than any kind of premeditated action.

He didnt plan it out on the way home, otherwise he wouldnt have said anything, even IF he realized after the fact that it was dumb you dont incriminate yourself. Therefore it is likely to assume that he wasnt happy on the way home, but the scolding, whatever it was about triggered the reaction and he flew into rage which by the way CAN cause black-outs because at some point, the higher brain functions just shut down and you revert to animalistic instincts.

In short no matter what, the game didnt cause it directly therefore it is false to imply that it did, regardless of how you spin this. I might get angry if somebody interrupts me in the middle of watching a movie, but that doesnt mean if i get angry later because i stubbed my toe that it was caused by the movie-interruption.

 

[Defeated Detective]

Dota

It's DotA, not Dota, Dota is the one that's trademarked by Valve.

That said, get your facts straight, ABS-CBN is the Philippine equivalent of Fox News Network.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Maybe the grandma deserved it.

Jaime de Jesus, dude, what kind of horrible awful outlook do you have that allows for anyone to "deserve" being beaten to death?

Personal experience. If you knew my grandmother (on my father's side) you'd know what I mean. I'm pretty sure my grandmother is a psychopath. And I seriously mean that. She is insane. She threw an axe at me once when I was 8 years old (luckily she missed) and she tried to poison my mother. I could go on and on about what she's capable of and what else she's done, but I think this paints a pretty good picture already. Evil people can grow old as well.

 

[Defeated Detective]

Maybe the grandma deserved it.

Jaime de Jesus, dude, what kind of horrible awful outlook do you have that allows for anyone to "deserve" being beaten to death?

Personal experience. If you knew my grandmother (on my father's side) you'd know what I mean. I'm pretty sure my grandmother is a psychopath. And I seriously mean that. She is insane. She threw an axe at me once when I was 8 years old (luckily she missed) and she tried to poison my mother. I could go on and on about what she's capable of and what else she's done, but I think this paints a pretty good picture already. Evil people can grow old as well.

Went through something similar to this as well.

An hour kneeling on rocks and salt in front of a crowd, with arms outstretched with books on each hand and a hit from the belt if either books fell was the stuff I used to get back when I was a kid.

I was glad when I got off the Philippines, because that was finally the end of the shitty experience with my grand aunt. Many kids in the Philippines have issues, and the reasoning behind it isn't the videogames but the people around them themselves.

 

[Azkar Almsivi]

Please double check sources in the future writer person, this type of story is misleading and harmful to the gaming community.

Also people who skimmed it and pounced into the comments in ecstatic glee for a chance to shake their head and look down on this "new low" should also take more time to read things. Misinformation is bad, mm'kay?

Angry teen from broken home slaughters Grandmother. Teen enjoys kornflakes for breakfast. Is this the start of a corn based cereal related murder bonanza!?

 

[Saltyk]

Hey, guys, established what happened prior to the incident is important in understanding the entire event. So, the fact that he was playing a game is relevant to the facts of the case. If he were watching Spongebob Squarepants prior to killing his grandmother THAT would be relevant to the events. It gives a picture of what transpired. That does not mean it was responsible for what happened! And this story is relevant to the users of this site because it is largely a gaming site.

Stop being so sensitive.

Anyway, I gotta say that this is a rather sad thing to read. I can't imagine harming my grandmother or grandfather. Mind you, they are about the kindest people in the world. I can't say that this boy's grandmother was, but it's still a rather sad thing to read that someone was killed so mercilessly by their own family. I won't assume the worst of the victim in this case, though. Smacks of attempting to blame the victim. Regardless, I would think the boy has to feel some regret over the incident.

I hope that this is handled in a proper fashion. However, I can't really say what that fashion may be.

 

[Nogin Bramsev]

Also people who skimmed it and pounced into the comments in ecstatic glee for a chance to shake their head and look down on this "new low" should also take more time to read things. Misinformation is bad, mm'kay?

I don't think most people just skimmed this to proceed throwing poop. Also this article doesn't get better the closer one reads it.
The source doesn't even clarify if the boy had to interrupt his game, it just claims so out of context. Neither does it say anything about what the dispute with his grandmother was about. You get the feeling the writer of the source just thought there was nothing to specify here, because of an initial belief that videogames are bad.
In the end, you know fuckall about what happened there, appart from boy kills grandma, after reading the source, which makes those last two lines of subjectivity so infuriating.

I can understand someone doing a rush job, finding controversial gaming-related story, paraphrasing it, boom, done. Realise fuckup later and edit to apologize. What I cannot wrap my head around is the subjective statement. On a site full of gamers, who are fast to jump to defend their media being accused of being related to aggressive behavior, to go and write something this undifferentiated is just far from smart. And the writer should take the poop people left here for him to make sure his future stuff will be better recieved, even if it is as controversial as the story at hand.

 

[Lyri]

Actually, its sort of implies it. The fact that he states he blacked out, which to be fair is a tenious defense as far as that goes since it cant be proven or disproven easily, and since the report goes further to say that when he realized what had happened that he went to get help and report what happened means that it was an affect-reaction rather than any kind of premeditated action.

He didnt plan it out on the way home, otherwise he wouldnt have said anything, even IF he realized after the fact that it was dumb you dont incriminate yourself. Therefore it is likely to assume that he wasnt happy on the way home, but the scolding, whatever it was about triggered the reaction and he flew into rage which by the way CAN cause black-outs because at some point, the higher brain functions just shut down and you revert to animalistic instincts.

In short no matter what, the game didnt cause it directly therefore it is false to imply that it did, regardless of how you spin this. I might get angry if somebody interrupts me in the middle of watching a movie, but that doesnt mean if i get angry later because i stubbed my toe that it was caused by the movie-interruption.

I'd rather just read the accused statement from the police report rather listen to implications from a forum theory crafter.
Since, you know. He would be right.

 

[Strazdas]

Sounds like mental problems and abusive grandmother to me more than anything that happened in a game. Sure he may have been in a horrible mood due to loosing in DOTA which ahs helped the trigger to explode, but the trigger is very much his mental situation here.

According to Police Officer 3 Jaime de Jesus,

Jesus was a police officer - confirmed.

 

[tzimize]

Teen Kills Own Grandmother After Scolding - Update

Editor's Note: The original headline for this story - "Teen Kills Own Grandmother for Interrupting Dota Match" was misleading, and we at The Escapist apologize for the error. The headline was seemingly based on the source article's headline, which appears to be entirely inaccurate. Please accept our apologies for any confusion or frustration this may have caused. We do not want to be the type of media responsible for demonizing video games, and this was clearly counter to that goal.


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The boy came from a broken home, with both his parents already having families of their own. The victim, whom raised the boy herself, was living alone with the 17-year old. Since the boy is still a minor, he's been turned over to the custody of the country's social workers.

I don't think this story of a 16-year stabbing his "friend" to death over a Dota account hacking incident [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132595-11-Year-Old-Stabbed-to-Death-Over-Dota-Hack-Dispute-in-the-Philippines] could be topped, but there you go. Killing your own grandma whom raised you herself over a game? That's just a new level of low.

Source: ABS-CBN [http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/03/09/14/teen-kills-grandma-interrupting-game]

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I find it EXTREMELY hilarious (in a bad way) that the editors note CLEARLY states that the escapist does not want to be the kind of magazine that demonize video games, and the article still finishes with such a cheap shot sentence.

Was this really about the DOTA game? The article itself states that the boy came from a broken home probably rejected by BOTH his parents (by the look of things) and a videogame is the cause of this? Fuck. I wish people would sometimes TRY to look at the context...

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

To be fair, just like all people, some grandmothers are horrible. I don't know what would drive someone to kill their own grandmother and can't assess whether the kid deserves sympathy or punishment, but I'm not refusing the possibility. The kid was home already so I hardly think the game actually had anything to do with the incident.

 

[unacomn]

"We do not want to be the type of media responsible for demonizing video games, and this was clearly counter to that goal."

But those mad click, yo.

 

[Cerebrawl]

It's not the first incident like this, and it doesn't have to do with the video game.

I recognize this behavior enough to have a fair degree of certainty when I say that the kid is probably a full blown narcicist. That is narcicistic personality disorder.

It reminds me a lot of the case of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Blackwell .

Spoiler: Documentary on Narcicistic Personality Disorder

 

[saltyanon]

The Philippines again. People tell me it's grim over there.

the philippines cause teens to turn violent
it's a known fact

The award for that should go to the USA. It has exponentially more school shootings than the Philippines.

It also has exponentially more schools and more kids going to said schools then the Philippines... OH SNAP!

Seriously thought the number of violent crimes has been getting lower and lower for years now despite EVERYTHING.

The news coverages of these extreme incidents however make it seem that they happen all the time....

You're forgetting guns, and glorification of violence in media. The US has also been in more wars. I can go on and on. Take all shows that are made in the US and take all shows made in the Philippines and it will be obvious which glorifies violence more.

 

[samaugsch]

Teen Kills Own Grandmother After Scolding - Update

Editor's Note: The original headline for this story - "Teen Kills Own Grandmother for Interrupting Dota Match" was misleading, and we at The Escapist apologize for the error. The headline was seemingly based on the source article's headline, which appears to be entirely inaccurate. Please accept our apologies for any confusion or frustration this may have caused. We do not want to be the type of media responsible for demonizing video games, and this was clearly counter to that goal.


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The boy came from a broken home, with both his parents already having families of their own. The victim, whom raised the boy herself, was living alone with the 17-year old. Since the boy is still a minor, he's been turned over to the custody of the country's social workers.

I don't think this story of a 16-year stabbing his "friend" to death over a Dota account hacking incident [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/132595-11-Year-Old-Stabbed-to-Death-Over-Dota-Hack-Dispute-in-the-Philippines] could be topped, but there you go. Killing your own grandma whom raised you herself over a game? That's just a new level of low.

Source: ABS-CBN [http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/03/09/14/teen-kills-grandma-interrupting-game]

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I find it EXTREMELY hilarious (in a bad way) that the editors note CLEARLY states that the escapist does not want to be the kind of magazine that demonize video games, and the article still finishes with such a cheap shot sentence.

Was this really about the DOTA game? The article itself states that the boy came from a broken home probably rejected by BOTH his parents (by the look of things) and a videogame is the cause of this? Fuck. I wish people would sometimes TRY to look at the context...

For a website that revolves so much around video games, they sure seem to hate video games a lot.

OT: Not that this isn't a sad news story, but after hearing a bunch of them over the years, it's hard for me to keep caring.

 

[Flutterguy]

Glad I don't know anybody of such disposition.

I have worked with quite a few Phillipinos, everyone of them with a crazy story to tell. My personal favorite was a girl whose father tried shooting her sister for having sex with the poor neighbors. Different world man.

 

[TallanKhan]

It seems from the article that the scolding was the trigger point rather than anything to do with the fact he was playing dota just before the incident. Unless I am misreading the story it doesn't imply the scolding was in any way related to his gaming activities and I would imagine the subject and nature of the scolding would probably add a lot of context to this.

Don't get me wrong, killing your grandmother who took you in and raised you can't be right, but nothing here would seem to suggest this was really gaming related and I am not certain any conclusions can be drawn about this without a clearer understanding of the events that took place and of the general state of their relationship.

 

[Therumancer]

Lets take a step back here.

The kid said he blacked out. When he comes to he realises that he is actually cleaning up the crime scene. He then goes to another family member to seek aid in what to do. After surveying the scene, they go to the authorities.

Judging by this I wager that the DOTA game had little to nothing to do with the actual man-slaughter. This is a case where we the public don't really have enough information to build a reasonable conclusion.

Was the grandma a loving custodian or had she been the horror of the kids life? Has the kid shown previous signs of uncontrollable anger? We know the kid was from a broken home. When did this happen? He has 2 living parents. Why were they not taking care of him?

This is a sensational story with very little meat on it. It is meant to inflame but not actually bring any facts to light.

My thoughts on the subject are similar. This is really, really, bad, but like most similar cases from Asia I tend to think there is a lot of information missing, probably because unlike the US, a lot of other countries (even US Territories like the Philippines) don't like the air their dirty laundry quite the same way. As another article someone here linked (having to do with the stabbing of an 11 year old over a DoTA hacking incident), these games can be big business over there, money is usually involved, and when money/betting gets involved organized crime and gang activity go along with it.

If you look, you'll find plenty of cases in the US of kids (as young as 10) knee deep in gang activity, pushing drugs, gambling, and getting killed for it. My first thought in both of these incidents is that a lot of money was lost, in this incident for example we know that the grandmother was picking this kid up at a place where gambling was probably happening, we hear about the kid being "scolded" but that just means there was some kind of an argument. While it seems beyond the pale that he would have beaten the woman who raised him to death, we don't know exactly how nice she was to him, what we do know is that she apparently delivered him to places where people gamble on video games, and picked him up. It makes me wonder if this was a fight that got nasty because she backed him on a game and he lost, or she was trying to extort winnings from him, or something similar. It doesn't seem likely she was disapprovingly trying to convince him not to go there, since she dropped him up and picked him up, on a lot of levels it's sort of like dropping your kid off and picking him up at a casino, dog track, or known underground gambling den (where such isn't legal). Granted I suppose it's possible that he was just there gaming in a general sense, but given that particular game and what it's used for there, is seems a little fishy.

I don't know anything of course, it's a truly messed up story, I just agree that it seems overly sensationalized and truthfully I think the whole "video game" angle is being played up. A better analogy would probably be likening it to a casino with video poker machines or something, the video gaming itself being incidental to the story. What's more I doubt it would have gotten international attention if say this happened and the last thing the kid did was play tiles (Mah Jong or whatever) at a local hangout.

I'll also say when money and gambling is involved, things can get really nasty, really quick, and all kinds of very close relationships can get nasty and violent at the drop of a hat. Having worked Casino security for a decade, let's just say it wouldn't be the first parent attacked by a kid (albeit one old enough to gamble) for one reason or another based on some game.... and while it goes beyond the concerns of security, these stories when you bother to hear the whole thing rarely make much "sense" or have happy endings. As a result, I do not gamble, and I'll be the first person in the world to tell you not to, it does crazy things to people, and every one of them never thought it could happen to them.