Teens Sedate Parents For Net Access

Baldry

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Keoul said:
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Considering the fact the parent called the police instead of being a responsible parent and discipling the children good on the kids. The parent sounds kinda shitty from the way they've acted.
I wouldn't say so, considering your kids just drugged you. You never know what they'll do next after a stunt like that. I mean clearly they already don't see you as threatening and don't respect you at all. Perhaps a more serious consequence would be required for them to understand what they've done.
First off if my kids ever drugged me I'd laugh it off because it'd be funny as hell. Secondly well this parent's already proven to be shitty, sure they think they're doing best but I doubt they've ever actually tried sitting there kid down and being like "...look don't go around drugging people and everything I've done I've done for you" etc
 

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First off if my kids ever drugged me I'd laugh it off because it'd be funny as hell. Secondly well this parent's already proven to be shitty, sure they think they're doing best but I doubt they've ever actually tried sitting there kid down and being like "...look don't go around drugging people and everything I've done I've done for you" etc
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First off you'd be promoting their behavior by laughing it off and finding it amusing so you can look forward to them drugging you again.
Secondly these parents simply alerted the authorities as soon as they knew that they had been drugged, they probably just panicked. Parents are humans too I'm no that surprised that their first thought would be to alert the authorities after finding out that they've been drugged.
 

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Keoul said:
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First off if my kids ever drugged me I'd laugh it off because it'd be funny as hell. Secondly well this parent's already proven to be shitty, sure they think they're doing best but I doubt they've ever actually tried sitting there kid down and being like "...look don't go around drugging people and everything I've done I've done for you" etc
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First off you'd be promoting their behavior by laughing it off and finding it amusing so you can look forward to them drugging you again.
Secondly these parents simply alerted the authorities as soon as they knew that they had been drugged, they probably just panicked. Parents are humans too I'm no that surprised that their first thought would be to alert the authorities after finding out that they've been drugged.
Yes because after we had a good old laugh about it I wouldn't tell them to never drug me again or anything like that, nope that'd just be silly.
No the parent's simply shifting their responsibility else where, which the parent already has a history of doing. If you haven't noticed they restricted the kids access to the internet instead telling the kid the dangers of the internet and trusting them not to go crazy and now instead of discipling their own child they called the police to do it for them. Next the parent might blame Mcdonald's for making their kid fat instead of themselves for not teaching their kid moderation in fatty foods and to not eat right in the first place.
 

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Yes because after we had a good old laugh about it I wouldn't tell them to never drug me again or anything like that, nope that'd just be silly.
No the parent's simply shifting their responsibility else where, which the parent already has a history of doing. If you haven't noticed they restricted the kids access to the internet instead telling the kid the dangers of the internet and trusting them not to go crazy and now instead of discipling their own child they called the police to do it for them. Next the parent might blame Mcdonald's for making their kid fat instead of themselves for not teaching their kid moderation in fatty foods and to not eat right in the first place.
Yes, because they'll totally never drug you again to do what they want because they got off scott free this time, nope that'd just be silly.
Though I agree with you on this point, it does seem like they are shifting responsibility. They really should have talked to them first and if the kids threw a tantrum maybe then alerting the authorities.
 

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Keoul said:
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Yes because after we had a good old laugh about it I wouldn't tell them to never drug me again or anything like that, nope that'd just be silly.
No the parent's simply shifting their responsibility else where, which the parent already has a history of doing. If you haven't noticed they restricted the kids access to the internet instead telling the kid the dangers of the internet and trusting them not to go crazy and now instead of discipling their own child they called the police to do it for them. Next the parent might blame Mcdonald's for making their kid fat instead of themselves for not teaching their kid moderation in fatty foods and to not eat right in the first place.
Yes, because they'll totally never drug you again to do what they want because they got off scott free this time, nope that'd just be silly.
Though I agree with you on this point, it does seem like they are shifting responsibility. They really should have talked to them first and if the kids threw a tantrum maybe then alerting the authorities.
Well in this case it requires my kid to want to drug people and the only reason i'd see my child do it would be for shits and giggles.
Tantrum maybe not, getting violent and what not maybe, if there's a threat of death then sure call the police but they shouldn't of let it get this far in the first place.
 

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We don't know details as to how these girls have been treated, so I would hesitate to judge their actions.
But:
The basic idea is that they were fighting for their rights and freedom to do what they want. How you may ask?
First of all, people don't automatically turn "mature" on their 18th birthday, the system is only based around age because it's too lazy to actually look for maturity. Even further, as of now, kids don't really have their own rights and are just property. Why? Simply because the parents get to make the decisions for them, regardless of their maturity and the parent's maturity because the parent's basically possess their rights and are supposed to act as a representative until they have reached the age of maturity. I'm also saying that people's view of "maturity" is more often than not based on their own standards and what they would do, which isn't necessarily the right thing. The problem here is that most kinds just don't have the courage to right for the rights they cherish. So Kudos to these girls in that regard, they ceratinly do atleast have courage. It's also an important part of growing up to realize that your paren't aren't flawless and to rebel against them if you think their decisions are wrong to become an independent and healthy individual. After all, we aren't trying raise soldiers who just have to follow the orders that they're given, soldiers usually even made the inital decision by themselves, while kids are just forced to do what they're told. It's basically limited-time-tyranny (and currently you really aren't presented with any choice other than fighting or running if you want freedom. Kinda like the american revolution, but this oppression ends the day they turn 18 in most countries, and you don't necessarily have to fight. But put simply: If somebody is able to make his own decisions, bear responsibilities and can generally provide good reasoning for why he'd doing what he's doing, why interfere? You don't really force "protection from their own mistakes" on adults either, do you? What's the difference between the 22 year olds who keep drinking too much alcohol at parties and these teenagers? I'd call neather responsible, but both are probably aware of the consequences of their decisions.
But put simply: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The law is flawed. Why I may ask? Because children basically can't even go to court, hire a lawyer and file a lawsuit without their parent's assisstance. To understand what I'm saying, just imagine you would basically "belong" to your parents at your current age and maturity. Would you like it? Probably not. Would you fight for your freedom? Hell yeah!
Though, thb, I think drugging the parents might be understandable because in that situation, this is possibly the most harmless thing they could do to get what they wanted with the least possible effort and time.
Also fighting isn't as childish as you may want to put it. If that's childish, then you're also calling terrorists childish, but terrorists are just stupid. The point is, that it isn't the state's duty to protect its citizen from their own stupidity if they don't want the protection and aren't harming anyone else other than themselves.
To quote a famous quote on liberty and freedom(I don't really know anymore where I heard it):
"One man's liberty ends where another man's liberty begins."
Society should try to hold onto this principle a little more, I think.
 

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I hope that those defending the actions of these girls never have kids OR if they do have kids OR if they chose to have kids at a future date that they never ever complain to anyone about anything their kids do. Ever. I would also like to add that people seem to have (largely) missed, what I have to assume, was the main reason that they contacted the police: one of the girls involved WAS NOT the daughter of the people who got sedated she was their daughters friend. Dealing with something phenomenally dumb like this that your own child has done without involving police? Fine, whatever. Dealing with something like this that involves someone else's kid? Nope, now we need to call the police. Lastly the dumb bitches who didn't like their internet "rights" being trampled all over are lucky that a bad hangover for their victims was the only outcome. Since neither the Escapist nor the source article mentions specifically what sleep-aid was used and since there aren't (to my knowledge) a large number of 15 or 16 year old pharmacists I imagine it would have been very easy for these morons to administer too large a dose and send one or both of their victims to the hospital or the morgue. Just think about that a bit.
 

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Man that is some messed up shit... Teenagers are so pathetic these days.
I think that sentiment is part of where the moral panics against games come from. It's quite possible they're no more screwed up than we were, we just hear about them more than we heard about us. I mean, think about it. This case is shocking because it's so unprecedented. That means it's rare.
 

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They should face jail time regardless. Drugging someone standing between you and something you want because you can't just wait until the morning is not the mark of a well adjusted individual.

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I guess now the girls made their point of how MATURE they are and how SAFE it is to let them roam around the internet.
Look at it the other way: Their parents treated them like small children, and it made them act like small children, what a surprise...
You think that an acceptable response to a curfew (And 10PM is very generous) is to drug the authority figure so you have free reign?
No, it's not an acceptable response. But they shouldn't face jail time. They're minors. A conviction won't teach them anything. It'll only ruin their lives. A criminal record typically makes it nearly impossible to get a job and restricts a few of your rights. I really don't understand people who think it's okay to treat minors with the same harshness as adults in the legal system, and I have nothing but contempt for the "tough on crime" attitude. I don't even care if they murdered someone. They're minors. Do you know what "minors" means? It means "stupid". Their brains are physically incapable of comprehending the severity of their actions because they're not fully developed yet. Yes the drugs were a disproportionate response, but jail time is a disproportionate response to that. Are the parents dead? Is there any permanent damage? No? Then just ground the girls for months and months. They may be teenagers but they're still human, they'll feel guilty about this. And when they're older, they'll feel really guilty about this.

And I firmly believe that no good parent ever calls the police on their own child, unless the child is seriously a threat to them. I don't care if your child is a contract killer. If it's your own flesh and blood, you love her unconditionally unless she ever tries to kill you personally. Okay yes, sleeping pills, kind of a really scary sign. But hardly life-threatening.
 

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It could be worse, they could have bound and gagged them.

The way I see it is, "no harm, no foul" just teach them it was a wrong thing to do.

Some people seem to think this was a major thing that happened and I just don't see it that way, it was bad but not juvie bad.

Anyway, 10 curfew? For 16 year old? Treat them with respect and maybe they won't drug you
 

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McMullen said:
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Man that is some messed up shit... Teenagers are so pathetic these days.
I think that sentiment is part of where the moral panics against games come from. It's quite possible they're no more screwed up than we were, we just hear about them more than we heard about us. I mean, think about it. This case is shocking because it's so unprecedented. That means it's rare.
Some kids over here killed their parents because they refused to get them a Blackberry, and another because he didn't get a PS3 for his birthday... Stuff like this is child's play compared to the shit that goes down here. Sorry if I came across as prejudiced.
 

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omega 616 said:
It could be worse, they could have bound and gagged them.

The way I see it is, "no harm, no foul" just teach them it was a wrong thing to do.

Some people seem to think this was a major thing that happened and I just don't see it that way, it was bad but not juvie bad.

Anyway, 10 curfew? For 16 year old? Treat them with respect and maybe they won't drug you
I don't know, I mean, I"m with you on the "don't get the law involved" part, but 10 seems pretty fair to me. The parents just want them to get adequate sleep. My bed time was 9:30 until I was about 14. It was pretty much unlimited when I was 15, but that's because my mom passed away and my dad was overly nice because he was afraid of losing my love. And now I've developed seriously bad sleeping habits that I've been very slowly breaking over the course of the last five years.

Wow. That turned dark quickly. The point is, what curfew do you think is fair for a teenager?
 

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The elder of the two, visiting on a sleepover. Clearly she'd already been kicked out, this was probably about getting even. Oh well, clearly there were issues here before this.
 

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well they said it was a 10pm curfew on internet access, not a 10pm curfew overall.

I used to have a one hour limit on the game consolse and internet combined when i lived at home for crying out loud and i never drugged anyone. A ten pm internet shut down is bloody fair if i say so myself
 

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10:00 curfew isn't generous, nor is it strict. It's exactly what it should be for teenagers still in school. I had to be up around 6AM to catch a bus and ride its whole route, over an hour total, every morning before school. If I had been up past 10 the previous night, I'd be sleeping the whole day. Restricting internet access is just another way to tell kids "Time to put away the toys and go to bed". That's what the internet is for a teenager - a toy. While drugging the parents is kinda extreme, getting the police involved is even worse. No permanent harm was done to the parents but permanent harm can be done to the children if they end up with a record due to this incident. It will not matter when this happened, if it's on their record it will make them effectively unemployable and yet another strain on society in a country full of people who are stuck in a vicious circle of crime and poverty.
 

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Belated said:
FFP2 said:
McMullen said:
FFP2 said:
Man that is some messed up shit... Teenagers are so pathetic these days.
I think that sentiment is part of where the moral panics against games come from. It's quite possible they're no more screwed up than we were, we just hear about them more than we heard about us. I mean, think about it. This case is shocking because it's so unprecedented. That means it's rare.
Some kids over here killed their parents because they refused to get them a Blackberry, and another because he didn't get a PS3 for his birthday... Stuff like this is child's play compared to the shit that goes down here. Sorry if I came across as prejudiced.
I don't know. I mean I'm with you on the "don't jail me bro" thing, but
omega 616 said:
It could be worse, they could have bound and gagged them.

The way I see it is, "no harm, no foul" just teach them it was a wrong thing to do.

Some people seem to think this was a major thing that happened and I just don't see it that way, it was bad but not juvie bad.

Anyway, 10 curfew? For 16 year old? Treat them with respect and maybe they won't drug you
I don't know, I mean, I"m with you on the "don't get the law involved" part, but 10 seems pretty fair to me. The parents just want them to get adequate sleep. My bed time was 9:30 until I was about 14. It was pretty much unlimited when I was 15, but that's because my mom passed away and my dad was overly nice because he was afraid of losing my love. And now I've developed seriously bad sleeping habits that I've been very slowly breaking over the course of the last five years.

Wow. That turned dark quickly. The point is, what curfew do you think is fair for a teenager?
Yeah, my curfew was at 7 and I still have sleep issues... Granted, I didn't abide by it most of the time but still.
 

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Belated said:
Well that is a broad question, teenager is 13 to 19 and I wouldn't consider having the same bed time for a 13 year old and 19 to be fair.

At 14 I had an 11 bed time. I moved out at 17 so I controlled my bed time then but I am far from a typical boy, never been drunk or anything so I can't say what's normal.

I would say the same for kids though, at 14 go to bed at 11, after 16 you're big and ugly enough to look after yourself... If you think a 5 am bed time is a good idea then you suffer the results.

I lived in a very free house, my mum wasn't strict at all, she might say "don't do that" but only if I was doing wrong or would hurt myself/break something. I was playing resident evil at 8 and watching horror films at 9.

I think it's better to let kids be guided but let them do what they like, within reason. Instead of a Kim Jong il style cos I think that is when they rebel and do this kind of stuff
 

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Belated said:
Your criminal record is wiped clean at 18. The fact that they're minors is exactly why they should get either jail time or some other state-mandated punishment.