So wait a sec here, you're claiming the acceleration and redirection of trillions of electrons as telekinesis? May as well claim that mind control is a function of electricity blast powers... I'm pretty sure you'd just give the person an aneurysm as they fought for control of their brain. As for regeneration and immortality... That could work, unless the person with the powers was disintegrated. You could probably go up to about "Incredible" regeneration under the FASERIP system, but nothing along the lines of a guy who can reform himself after being incinerated in a nuclear blast. Invulnerability... deflection yes, absorption... how? Which brings another power to mind: energy absorption.SckizoBoy said:
Telekinesis...
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You should edit your responses into the OP so everyone can see your genius at work. They can then agree with you or laugh at you. It will also prevent people repeating a power that's alreay been asked.
Mine: Teleportation, you can move things with telekinesis but you can't move it through nothing instantaneously.
Mine: Teleportation, you can move things with telekinesis but you can't move it through nothing instantaneously.
Not really with sufficient knowledge of biology (however in depth that would be) you would know how a muscle works and replicate it. Matter of fact it wouldn't even need to have the complexities of flesh. You could create scientific/engineering analogues for muscle etc if you so wished. Also with telekinesis you could perform CPR on your own heart and lungs to jumpstart yourself. As I added in the previous edit how your body would interface with a completely new set of sensations and responses would be a problem regarding any sought of shapechange regardless of method not any shortcoming of telekinesis.Nocturnal Gentleman said:
Really, once you consider the telekinesis of atoms you are basicly god. You have control over the building blocks of the universe. Rebuild your own DNA, turn off a sun... the power is yours.
Once again, I will not be held responsible for any inaccuracy of the science herein.
Now, please tell me that you dislike cheesecake, as I actually want that piece!
That's really open to debate, because by association, you are capable of changing your internal composition, but it's only if you need/want to adopt the target creature's complete biology, as opposed to say, just morphology. Provided you can keep your blood pumping to your brain with sufficient glucose/minerals, you can do pretty much anything you wish with the rest of your body (and at your leisure, if you think about it... in my case, really, really hard...!)Nocturnal Gentleman said:
Oh, that's easy, if you know the dimensions of your body, replicate in an empty space with deflective response where your body is. *shrug*sheah1 said:
Uh, where did I mention electrons? In any event, electrons still constitute material (to even the most cynical of theoretical physicists). As for the energy absorption, that is a very sticky point. Telekinesis = mental strength to influence matter. By its own definition, energy is input to the material in question, hence telekinesis is the manipulation of energy. Example: you have a shield using telekinesis to stop bullets, so question: does the 'shield' send a repulsive burst of energy to stop the bullet, or does it absorb the energy of the bullet to bring it to a stop? What I tend to say is that either one works as far as telekinesis is concerned though each has its advantages/disadvantages.loc978 said:
Toughy... this one would only work if you could accurate identify every atom in your body and replicate them at the target location (relative positions and all). However, your brain would require the processing power of a 2.5 Gig 128 core supercomputer to pull it off. Grrr... argh...Actual said:
Now, please tell me that you dislike cheesecake, as I actually want that piece!
*head... strain... explode* LOLRalphfromdk said:
You're welcome to the cake, you deserve it for coming up with this stuff.SckizoBoy said:Toughy... this one would only work if you could accurate identify every atom in your body and replicate them at the target location (relative positions and all). However, your brain would require the processing power of a 2.5 Gig 128 core supercomputer to pull it off. Grrr... argh...Actual said:
Now, please tell me that you dislike cheesecake, as I actually want that piece!
What you are describing is the type of teleportation which means creating an exact clone of yourself at the end-point and then destroying the original you. It could work but we haven't tried it yet so we don't know if the creature that emerged would be you or a soulless murderous beast.
The acceleration of electrons would be required to enhance synapse firing for enhanced cognition, and redirecting them would be required for mind control. The chemical reaction inside of nerves isn't something easily understood or manipulated.SckizoBoy said:
Also, Telekinesis= mental strength to move matter. Influence could also mean heating, cooling or inducing chemical bonding... all of which would require the acceleration, deceleration, or other manipulation of electrons. Which, yes, are matter... but it's a fine line you're crossing to essentially call moving a magnetic field "telekinesis".
...and how would telekinesis absorb the energy of a bullet? It could certainly oppose the bullets' energy and decelerate it until it stops, but... absorb? Telekinesis? Does not compute.
Thank you! I honestly do have some cheesecake which I will enjoy shortly.Actual said:You're welcome to the cake, you deserve it for coming up with this stuff.
What you are describing is the type of teleportation which means creating an exact clone of yourself at the end-point and then destroying the original you. It could work but we haven't tried it yet so we don't know if the creature that emerged would be you or a soulless murderous beast.
Anyway, there's a lot of debate about atomic composition (even now). To put it in very, very, very simple terms (largely because I'm not sure about it myself), electronic position in an orbital is probability based. Therefore, low though it is, there is a possibility that an electron from an atom in my body (I'm in Brighton, England BTW) is actually in New York. Uh, get your head around that
The problem comes with isolating the subatomic particles and moving them (or replacing them). And that brings up an interesting point: what substance is there to one's consciousness?
Hmm...
First part: electrons aren't actually involved in synapse firing or neural cascades, true it's electricity after a fashion, but only in terms of ion (im)balances inside and out of the nerve cell. The conductive material is actually Ca2+ ions and the neurotransmitters are small organic molecules (don't know structures, so don't ask).loc978 said:
As for the second part: it's a case of semantics in the end (regarding scale, that is, because on a theoretical scale, there is no difference in moving one atom and moving a few billion). Still, to move/stop matter, energy is still required. Therefore, I considered the concept of 'energy sources' (i.e. to keep with Newton's 3rd LawDynamics etc etc, yes, I know, it's thrown out of the window pretty much with this shit!) so that the deflective/reflective energy can be resolved as far as entropy/free energy is concerned. From here, I rationalised the possibility of 'energy sinks' so energy could be transferred to and from a target.
This is only my take on it, so feel free to disagree, as I know there isn't a real 'canon' to such a commonly conceived superpower.
On the teleportation issue; rather than moving every atom in your body at once, why not just move the universe around you?
And another power that can't be explained with telekinesis is creation, you can manipulate anything you want but what if there's nothing to manipulate?
And another power that can't be explained with telekinesis is creation, you can manipulate anything you want but what if there's nothing to manipulate?
Well, I do disagree (obviously), but as you said, it's a semantic point.SckizoBoy said:
But your insistence that synapse firing doesn't involve electrons is silly. An ion is just an atom or molecule with missing or extra electrons, and electrical current is simply electrons being passed from molecule to molecule within a substance. To change that flow in the manner you describe is to make the electrons go elsewhere. To do so with telekinesis would be to grab the electron and do so forcibly, since you can't exactly introduce new chemicals to change reactions inside of a person's body without opening them up. You could shunt existing chemicals elsewhere to change the strength of a reaction in a nerve, but you wouldn't be able to redirect it well.
You've kinda stumped yourself there, bubbo! When there's nothing to manipulate, you do not exist either, hence nothing can be explained, let alone telekinesis. Thank you for playing!ArcanePedro said:
And who's our next contestent?!
I fear this is turning into a biological debate. But I'll humour you. The human body is a marvellous machine. True you have to shift the electrons from one place to another, but the reason why this is workable is buffer solutions in blood plasma/tissue fluid that maintains the pH balance (which is brought about as a result of the need to create greater concentrations of ions). Considering the general frequency and magnitude of signalling reactions, this isn't much of a problem, I wouldn't have thought, because only minimal affect on signal conduction is sufficient to have a significant effect on the 'target' (shall we say). *shrug*loc978 said:
Any nerve-cell/neuro-folks out there care to weigh in. I'm gradually getting out of my depth here. *hrk*
Bit late on that, my dear Troll-kins. Me and the good Colonel are debating influencing of nerve impulses at the moment. (See Round One on OP.)Trolldor said:
Besides, which aspect of telepathy:
Mind reading? Mind control? Thought projection? *meh* still comes down to the same answer.
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A couple things: I, as a young whippersnapper with a hyperactive imagination, developed a fictional universe with telekinesis as one of the core features, but I sort of developed it into an evolved ability that has sort of overwritten the Henry Holt definition with my own. So, my view of it is always going to be skewed, but there will be those who agree (likewise those who disagree).Abandon4093 said:
In any event, having checked up on the Holt definition ('direct influence of mind on a physical system that cannot be entirely accounted for by the mediation of any known physical energy'), my usage/application is still, albeit loosely, in line with this. Now, maybe I'm taking the 'loose' part of my interpretation a bit far, but the spirit's still there, I think!
One thing I wanted to pick up on being the second part 'by the mediation of any known physical energy' which I've sort of twisted such that said 'physical energy' can be either inserted or withdrawn. I've used this definition for my fictional world and I won't change it for anything, but in your opinion, have I made a bit too free with it? (I know I have, and I'm unashamed about it.)
As for 'telepathy' being the source of all etc., I think that's only as far as etymology is concerned, not parapsychologically. (Not my kind of hokey, to be honest, it's either pearly-king-whole-hog or nothing, but hey, that's the way I story-tell.)
I read that. So much SCIENCE!(TM)SckizoBoy said:
Anyway, pathy is related to thoughts and emotions, kenesis to movement. The two are very much seperate.
Also, you can't read thoughts using telekenesis. Telekenesis is solely restricted to movement, hence telepathy being seperate as its reading (and sending) of thoughts, and telekenesis does not grant you the insight in to how to manipulate someone's unique brain chemistry and neural activity in order to induce a thought.
pretty sure I've been out of my depth since I started on this tack. Electrical theory and chemistry I know, but separately. Biochem is a little beyond me... but I do know it doesn't change the nature of the disciplines involved.SckizoBoy said:
One thing I think we can all agree on, though... All superpowers can be explained by way of energy manipulation. If you explain telekinesis by way of energy manipulation, a lot of powers are explained through telekinesis.
Touche, back to the classroom for both of us then.loc978 said:
Yes, quite so, but ultimately, the words themselves are just convenient labels. Telekinesis was thought up in 1890 by a Russian (name escapes me) while telepathy was coined in 1882 by a guy called Myers (a Brit). The latter was originally meant to be a catch-all word to denote any 'psychically effected' ability, but was changed to mean more by way of mind-to-mind effecting (when and by whom, I don't know), while the definition of telekinesis (at least broadly) never really changed.Trolldor said:
I've just taken the concept of the Holt definition (as per post 41) to its logical extreme. And if I'm honest, I do segregate telepathy and telekinesis in my own literature (with their own distinct ability classifications etc.).
Now, whether you believe that telekinesis (by my definition) can facilitate mind reading/control etc. is up to you, I'm merely content with the possibility, even if it requires a great deal of rationalisation (i.e. while you can influence the movement of ions/neurotransmitters, you need to know what results in changes in concentrations/cross synaptic diffusion otherwise you're kind of fucked. Moreover, you need to be able to read this changes for there to be an end result.)
Uh...
I've kind of dug my own grave haven't I?!
Fuck this, it is now 21:00 in the UK, and so I will be off to see Justin Bieber get killed!!
(granted, only on TV, but it's good enough for now, CSI if you're wondering)
EDIT: Woops, note to self, rant about UK Channel 5 one day! *meh* watching on t'webs.