- Apr 4, 2020
True, but wasn't the point of T2 that the threat of Skynet was forever going to be destroyed, which is immediately negated by anything anyone makes afterwards with Skynet in it?There's a divide between T1/T2 and the rest of the franchise. The presence of material after T2 doesn't inherently negate T2. Cameron ended his films there, everything after that is pretty much fanfiction. I don't mean that in a derogatory manner, but the divide remains. It's why almost all of Terminator media treats T1 and T2 as having occurred, but then does its own thing. SCC, T3, and T6 all occur after T2 for instance, but all are mutually incompatible with each other.
Well, that it's not Lovecraftian, or rather than it might not be, despite the obvious body horror stuff, it doesn't, to me, seem to have the same overwhelming horror he tended to go for.Wait, are you disagreeing that Alien is Lovecraftian, or that it's grimdark?
Anyway, Earth is screwed by the timeframe of Resurrection, and it's implied that humans are the reason why. That isn't a happy thing, that's a tragic thing. And even if humans are spread beyond Earth, the quality of life doesn't seem to be that good.
I'm also not personally seeing it being particularly tragic that the Earth is a mess if there are other planets colonised. What's special about the Earth beyond humanity starting from there (and me, and AFAIK, the rest of the forum living there)? Humanity evolved in Africa, civilisation (arguably) started in the Middle East, those areas currently being messes isn't made especially tragic due to that.
Going to disagree there, but ok.As for Aliens, I doubt things would have gone much better regardless of...well, I'm not quite sure. The xenomorphs would have got the drop on the marines regardless.
Not seeing how Prometheus was more upbeat than the later Alien films, but ok. In each of the films we are only really seeing a small isolated part of a much larger galaxy, I'm not seeing any reason to believe things are bad everywhere.But the xenomorph aside, I'd argue that Aliens is grimdark, at least by my definition. Even if the xenomorphs didn't exist, humanity is still in a state where corporations wield enormous influence, where frontier life is rough, where Earth is in a state of collapse, etc. If you look at the timeframe of the Alien films, things get worse over time, from the more upbeat future of Prometheus/Covenant, to the corporate sociopathy of Alien, to the increase of that sociopathy in Aliens/Alien 3, to the squalid state of things in Resurrection. Yeah, WY is gone by then (even if in the EU, it takes over from the USM), but life still seems to be crap.
Or, TL, DR, things in Alien are bad for humans, stay bad, and never get better, in fact, they get worse as you move forward in the timeline. Terminator, on the other hand, has multiple futures where even in the worst case scenario, humanity still wins against Skynet after Judgement Day, and in the best, JD is averted completely.
But, ok, assuming it is, that certainly makes it grimdark, but I'd still argue not Lovecraftian. Corporate greed, corruption and incompetence would seem to be the real problems, and those aren't, IMHO, Lovecraftian.
But, that's just my opinion, I'm not going to say it's definitive or anything.