Thanks to Kickstarter, Chris Hansen's Online Predator Stings Are Back
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Wait, fabricated evidence? I thought the whole point of the series was posing as a child and finding people who express an interest in fucking them. And it all plays out on camera. How do you fabricate that?
I think A few people have have kind of expressed my opinion here, but this concept does leave a bit of a bad taste in my mouth... Honestly tempting people with problems into traps and publicly shaming them without letting them have their due process is a bit off putting. I mean it's the worst kind of crime so its difficult to be to mad about anything, but at the same time its the most heavy handed accusation that it ruins lives even if it turns out to be just false.
I know there is really never a good time to say, "I know they're pedophiles but..." however that's why we have laws and that's why on principle we assume innocence until guilt can be proven.
I know there is really never a good time to say, "I know they're pedophiles but..." however that's why we have laws and that's why on principle we assume innocence until guilt can be proven.
I'm entirely unwilling to defend the sort of people who he profiles and entraps on his show. I know too many survivors to have any sort of sympathy due to the public shame and legal consequences that these men are put through as a result of Hansen's show. I have firsthand perspective on what they put their victims through. However there is a distinction of some importance between a pedophile and child molester. A pedophile has resources to help them, no matter how society has stigmatized their condition, they can get help. They can be voluntarily monitored, they can have a social worker assigned to them, they can attend support meetings. There are numerous pedophiles who would rather practice celibacy than rape, the people on Hansen's show are not like this. These are people who have made plans to rape a minor and attempted to carry them out, these plans are documented. These people are child molesters or attempted child molestors. And of the various criticisms that you could realistically level at Hansen's peculiar brand of vigilantism, the veracity of these people's crimes is not one. They ARE given due process after the tapes stop rolling, but you can bet your ass they'll be found guilty, because the evidence is incontrovertible. If you have a problem with a civilian performing these sorts of stings, that's one thing, but these tactics (the cyber fishing, not Hansen's whole dog and pony show afterward) are used at the federal level to investigate and break up child pornagraphy rings.
This was the most puzzling thing to me too. I mean it's by nature very formulaic. I never watched it when it was on because I tend to stay away from stuff that I know will actively infuriate me, but from what people have told me it followed a pretty basic setup, breakdown of the fake bait profile, show some responses, investigation, the sit down, then police custody.Arnoxthe1 said:
I always had the sneaking suspicion that people were watching in case someone did something desperate and dangerous. Kinda like how people watch Nascar for the crashes.
How Chris hasn't been harmed has always shocked me. Surely there is some sort of overlap between pedophiles and gun carriers... I hope they keep him safe.
Not seeing the show doesn't mean this sort of thing isn't happening wherever you are. This informed the public of an actual threat.BeerTent said:
You would need to be pretty ignorant if you didn't think that child molestation happens worldwide.Lightknight said:
Making money, however, by ignoring established human rights, and destroying any possible chance of rehabilitation while mocking your own countries CJS? The perversion of making this some kind of dull entertainment? That's the part that disgusts me.
Leave this shit to professionals. Not some backwards shitcannon with a camera crew and a lust for money.
Who cares? They're pedophiles being caught red handed.BeerTent said:
What's more is they actually sign away the rights to be depicted in the video on TV willingly. They're also working hand in hand with law enforcement the whole way.
So who are you actually defending here? Caught-in-the-act pedophiles? And why? Because of a TV show making a living off of catching them on camera?
Look, the shows don't just shame these nutters, they also inform parents on the tactics these people use and also on how common they are. But if you think these people need to be protected then your priorities are all messed up here.
Pedophiles. Caught. In the act.MarsAtlas said:
Maybe pick a different group of people to protect here? As near as I can tell, the show isn't doing anything differently than Cops. It's just capturing normal legal processes taking place with the small addition of interviewing the individual. I'm not sure what you think is happening to impact the law. Maybe these people shouldn't try to fuck children.
Having video of a crime being committed isn't an affront to "innocent until proven guilty". It is literally the proof itself.
Basically that Chris Hansen has some sort of hypnotic power. When he says the phrase "Why don't you take a seat right over there" you must do as he asks.Happyninja42 said:
The episode isn't specifically about pedophiles, basically Cartmen discovers the existence of Tourettes Syndrome which he perceives as a golden ticket to be as foul mouthed, offensive, and obnoxious as he wants in public and then just say "I've got Tourettes so you can't get mad at me." He's all set up to do an interview with Hansen about Tourettes, but then he actually develops it in the form of just blurting out very embarrassing secrets about himself. He wants to call it off, but Hansen uses his mystical hypnotic powers to essentially force Cartmen to do the show...much like what Hansen apparently did to the police department in this article, actually.
Amen to that!loa said:
Up in Quebec, we've only just started our own run of Cops-like shows or similar concepts focused on the fire departments. We have an ongoing series-slash-documentary on the lives and times of Montreal's meter maids - which involves countless instances of folks being humiliated onscreen for parking at the wrong place in the wrong time - and we have our take on "Catfish", where online dating is played for shock value.
I mean, how much more does the public need? We already have public court cases, we already put ignorance and stupidity on pedestals for the sake of ratings or audience numbers - what else is there to do?
This is essentially why my parents are the only ones who use the cable subscription we share. I feel like watching something? Then I tend to nab a documentary online or find a movie or TV series that interests me. Primetime TV is just so goddamn depressing, sometimes.
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Tell you what, you find me where this is located in the constitution that the press cannot be involved in justice and I'll recant. Maybe you could express specific laws or rights that are actually being violated.MarsAtlas said:
But the media in this example are literally acquiring evidence in a sting operation. It's like sending a person with a wire into a drug den to gather information only this time the person with a wire is Chris Hansen and the criminals are coming to him. Kudos to them for the public service they are performing.
Law doesnt pick and choose who it protects. It protects all equally.Lightknight said:
Regardless of who these people are, pedophiles, murderers, scammers, etc... Its not right to publically shame them on national TV. Posting evidence on TV IS affront to "innocent until proven guilty" because in Canadian, and American criminal justice, its not the job of the citizen to lay judgement. This is why we have hearings, juries, justices and court, why we keep bias out of court, and why we keep our traps shut and our posture neutral.
We shouldnt be sensationalizing anyone on either side. We shouldnt condone this sad style of vigilantism. Yeah, we have 15 episodes that, quite likely, just barely, leads to any conviction, but how many episodes are not aired? Where it's thrown out of court because the man is running a damn show purely for entertainment?
You want it to be educational? Interview professionals who don't mock the CJS, who don't sensationalize and encourage the average idiot to get in the way. People who do this as a job, and dont shove their face in front of a camera screaming, "Look! Look at me! Be entertained while you question if any of this is real or not!"
Sorry for potato quality post, got a lot of time and just a smartphone.
I don't think this kind of thing should be on TV. Yeah sure, people stepping up to tackle a problem, provided they act within the law, great, but this isn't entertainment.
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I don't predict very high ratings for it, television is already oversaturated with reality crap
I don't predict very high ratings for it, television is already oversaturated with reality crap
Anyone recording any crime is collecting evidence. You could always explain how they are interfering with the process as well. How do you feel about the show cops?MarsAtlas said:
So... no laws being broken and they are performing an additional service for the police? Your only argument is that you don't think it needs to be explained?
I'd say your burden of proof is sadly lacking.
And you do that by arresting the guy bringing in the danger. I find it hard to believe there wasn't something on the books to prevent this if they really wanted to. Even if it's just a matter of saying "no", then waiting until he got himself in trouble to act.JaredJones said: