I got 321.8688m/s to clear the 12 miles in 60 seconds, and that's assuming he was exactly 6 miles from the coast. Seems pretty doable if the only thing we assume about the bat is that it's going under the speed of sound. And it's fucking Batman so I'm willing to take that leap!EHKOS said:
That's not a plot hole!
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I never got the whole "How did Bruce Wayne get back to Gotham without any money?" thing. I would assume a master of stealth could sneak onto a boat no problem.
My biggest problem with people talking about the Eagles taking the Frodo to Mount Doom.
Um... What happens when the Ring tries to tempt the Eagles into taking the ring?
The Eagles are a very vain and powerful race of beings, and it was accepted that the ring would have started tempting the rest of the fellowship once it was done with Boromir.
Um... What happens when the Ring tries to tempt the Eagles into taking the ring?
The Eagles are a very vain and powerful race of beings, and it was accepted that the ring would have started tempting the rest of the fellowship once it was done with Boromir.
Yeah the "omg eagles can't fly into mordor" crowd are pretty... hilarious. Because that's exactly what the eagles did. They flew into mordor, completely unimpeded after having done the majority of the flight before Sauron's defeat (as they arrive minutes after the ring is thrown in). In all that time, they aren't spotted by any of the "spies" or even the Eye, nor do any rogue archers spot them or shoot them. Nor do any cave trolls or ballistas throw rocks or bolts at them. They fly right up to mordor with no problem, and then fly *into* mordor because the eye is busy watching the war.
Which kind of means that the war would have served as the perfect distraction for a fly-in of the ring, and would have made it a valid tactic.
Even going by the book's lore, the flying mounts of the ringwraiths were specifically *not* deployed until full war broke out, which meant they would not have been a problem at all. And, since the eagles are already obviously good at avoiding detection (as evidenced by their ninja tactics in the movie), they probably could have gotten all the way without interference from the ringwraiths - the ringwraith castle is far enough away from mount doom that the eagles would have enough of a headstart to simply fly the fuck in and drop the package before the nazgul could even think about catching up.
I mean really. It would have worked guys, stop trying to be contrary. Now, boromir's catapult plan... *that* one had flaws.
Which kind of means that the war would have served as the perfect distraction for a fly-in of the ring, and would have made it a valid tactic.
Even going by the book's lore, the flying mounts of the ringwraiths were specifically *not* deployed until full war broke out, which meant they would not have been a problem at all. And, since the eagles are already obviously good at avoiding detection (as evidenced by their ninja tactics in the movie), they probably could have gotten all the way without interference from the ringwraiths - the ringwraith castle is far enough away from mount doom that the eagles would have enough of a headstart to simply fly the fuck in and drop the package before the nazgul could even think about catching up.
I mean really. It would have worked guys, stop trying to be contrary. Now, boromir's catapult plan... *that* one had flaws.
Yeah, and Looper shows enough to say that it does contradict itself.James Joseph Emerald said:
Bruce Willis and JLG live the exact same life up until they close their loop. In the first version of events, everything goes smoothly for Bruce Willis and he does his 30 years. Then he goes back on the first timeline and escapes execution, and creates a second branch which JLG lives (albeit shortly). In the first branch, Future Joe dies. He never goes after the kid, none of that is set in motion. Yet all the rumours of the kid being shot in the cheek and seeing his mother killed in front of him occur in the first timeline.
It is a glaring plot hole, and it is not excused by "other time travel films are shit too".
Besides which, time loops like you get in Terminator fit their own logic. Paradoxical logic, yes, but logic still; no beginnings and no ends. Looper, ironically, doesn't deal in actual time loops and it establishes itself distinctly from that theory.
Your comparison is also way off. Looper's events aren't simply unlikely, they're fucking impossible unless we assume someone else does exactly the same in the first timeline as Bruce Willis does in the second. And all you get then is something which is both incredibly contrived and never intimated in the film itself.
This. I don't remember where, but it's mentioned at least once in the books that the Eagles don't want to get involved, and refuse to fly on Mordor- at the time. I don't remember if somebody actually went to them and convinced them otherwise, or if they changed their minds in the end, but at the start, when they were planning what to do with the ring, the eagles were already established as refusing to go to Mordor.Winnosh said:
Yeah the Eagles aren't just big birds they have society and a kingdom. Gwaihir and Manwe just happen to be friends with Galdalf which is why he gets saved at Orthanc. But flying into Mordor would be both Dangerous, as well as invite Mordor to launch attacks on their Aeries. And also open up the mind of whatever eagle flies the ring barer to the power of the One Ring which would be almost as bad as the Ring taking hold of Gandalf.Mykl Klein said:
I just watched it last night, and I don't remember it ever explicitly stating that:Woodsey said:
A) The reason for The Rainmaker turning evil is due to his mother dying; this is implied, but the director himself said that this implication was mainly to bring the movie to a satisfying conclusion, and isn't necessarily true. He even included a line about The Rainmaker having a prosthetic jaw, which could happen later even if his mother doesn't die.
B) Time is linear. Remember the scene where the guy is getting his limbs chopped off? By the end, the old version is missing his nose, most of his fingers, both his legs, and both his arms, because the young version is being dismembered at the same time. However, if the young version has just been dismembered, how does he regrow all his limbs 30 years later in order to escape? The reason is that once a loop hasn't been closed, the timelines intersect to form a kind of infinity symbol, where past and present exist concurrently. This is hinted at a lot in the film, like when Bruce Willis is discussing how his memory has gone foggy (i.e. the timelines have intersected, so his past has been made as alterable as his younger self's future).
B) Time is linear. Remember the scene where the guy is getting his limbs chopped off? By the end, the old version is missing his nose, most of his fingers, both his legs, and both his arms, because the young version is being dismembered at the same time. However, if the young version has just been dismembered, how does he regrow all his limbs 30 years later in order to escape? The reason is that once a loop hasn't been closed, the timelines intersect to form a kind of infinity symbol, where past and present exist concurrently. This is hinted at a lot in the film, like when Bruce Willis is discussing how his memory has gone foggy (i.e. the timelines have intersected, so his past has been made as alterable as his younger self's future).
Again, I don't think Looper's paradoxes are any more illogical/impossible than any other time travel movies. And I'm pretty sure it never directly contradicts anything set up by the plot.
Its not that they are afraid of Mordor, they are afraid of Sauron because he is a god who has repeatedly brow beaten Middle Earth and still comes back even when they defeat him.AuronFtw said:
Also just because the ringwraiths weren't deployed on felbeasts at the begining doesn't mean the felbeasts weren't there. It also isn't stated that Sauron doesn't have other creatures capable of flight, I mean this is a guy who used to be employed to the creator of the Balrogs and Dragons.
On top of that: The eye even if it is too busy watching the war would notice them because,"Hey what are those giant birds , who I have no control over, approaching the volcano a few miles from my fortress." Also considering he successfully managed a multi-front war that spanned all of Middle Earth, I think he would be able to notice some of the biggest flying creatures in Middle Earth entering his air space.
Maybe this isn't exactly a plot hole, but I've noticed a lot of people calling out the Starchild in ME3 for "Circular Logic," claiming that's one of the problems with the ending.
Now, I won't deny the ending sucks, but why is this a problem? He's the villain, of course his logic is flawed. If his logic weren't flawed, then you know what he would be? A GOOD GUY.
Now, I won't deny the ending sucks, but why is this a problem? He's the villain, of course his logic is flawed. If his logic weren't flawed, then you know what he would be? A GOOD GUY.
Wow. I feel really bad for you. The fact that you missed this one means that you completely missed Bruce's character developement in the Avengers. Hell, that was the best thing about that (already great) movie.ron1n said:
The idea is that the Hulk on the Helicarrier was one that Bruce wasn't in control of (because the change was involuntary), but in New York he did have partial control, because he has learned to control and be one with his emotions.
True, I heard that in the book they flat out told Gandalf that they weren't getting involved, but I stopped reading shortly after Tom Bombadil, because after that, I just couldn't. Everything became Tom Bombadil tinted. Every time there was dialog, or I turned a page I kept hearing " Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! Fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!" It was the only time I ever put down a book because a single character was too damn ridiculous.Ziggy said:
I think the complaint is more that before the extended cut, Shepard had no option to refuse that logic, instead he just sort of said "oh...ok." (nevermind Joker and EDI getting along, nevermind the Quarians and Geth coexisting). So either purposely or inadvertently Bioware painted the Catalyst as doing the right thing and that Shepard would have been "wrong" to go against it.bigfatcarp93 said:
Well, the whole thing involving the fusion bomb in TDKR is pretty much BS to begin with. Simply put, no one has ever built a working, feasible fusion reactor. OTOH, Fusion BOMBS have existed since around the 1960's or so. Bane got a fusion bomb using the most complicated and retarded method imaginable. Dammnit, Bane, just steal a bomb if that's what you need.EHKOS said:
Don't get me wrong. I like the movie, but don't think too much about how it works.
It is in no way "speedy," it is the culmination of two full films of character development. He's been trying to cure/control the Hulk from day 1 in his own film, and the scene in New York is the culmination of that, wherein he reveals that he has had control for some time. He even hints at this when he first meets Black Widow:LifeCharacter said:
"For a man who's supposed to be avoiding stress, you picked a hell of a place to settle."
"Avoiding stress isn't the secret..."
The ending scene of the Incredible Hulk is the moment where he gains control. So, his development in the Incredible Hulk is building up towards his gaining control, and his development in The Avengers is building up towards him being comfortable with that fact, and the fact that the Hulk has a place in the world. This is why the scene with the guard is so key: he's finally recieved a sign that there may be place in the world, and his life, for the Hulk. Because here's someone who simply accepts him for who he is, and much more importantly, accepts the Hulk. Although I'm sure Tony's playfullness on the issue didn't hurt either.
