"That's not cheating" - A Pokemon arguement
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It's cheating, plain and simple you're not supposed to have everything in every pokemon game, if you don't live where events happen you're not supposed to have those pokemon. It's simple really, every time you cheat to get them you lessen their value, you're making the legendary and highly esteemed pokes just another ratata or zubat, which is harmful on a philosophical level. Same with shiny pokemon.
On the one hand, I like to play through each Pokémon game cold. No ev training, no breeding, no running to Smogon to check tiers. Just me and my pokes, training and evolving together. Don't hack and then breeze through with a level 100 Typhlosion. It's...it's just wrong.
On the other hand, once you've beaten the game and set your sights on wifi battling, feel free to hack, sensibly.
If your game dies and takes your Pokémon with it, you're entitled to take them back.
As long as you don't cheat and make wondertombs, or Machamp with sheer cold, what's the problem?
You could spend forever IV/nature breeding a Cyndaquil, then EV training it, finding TMs, leveling it up, and THEN use it, or you can hack slightly and get exactly the same Pokémon in minutes. There's no difference, and now you can spend more time battling and, y'know, actually having fun.
My point is this:
Using an AR to make Pokes that you could hypothetically make by yourself is fine.
It's just a way to save time.
Using it to make Pokes that have no right existing (Hello, Wondertomb) is absolutely downright wrong.
What you describe isn't so much cheating as it is fast-forwarding.
On the other hand, once you've beaten the game and set your sights on wifi battling, feel free to hack, sensibly.
If your game dies and takes your Pokémon with it, you're entitled to take them back.
As long as you don't cheat and make wondertombs, or Machamp with sheer cold, what's the problem?
You could spend forever IV/nature breeding a Cyndaquil, then EV training it, finding TMs, leveling it up, and THEN use it, or you can hack slightly and get exactly the same Pokémon in minutes. There's no difference, and now you can spend more time battling and, y'know, actually having fun.
My point is this:
Using an AR to make Pokes that you could hypothetically make by yourself is fine.
It's just a way to save time.
Using it to make Pokes that have no right existing (Hello, Wondertomb) is absolutely downright wrong.
What you describe isn't so much cheating as it is fast-forwarding.
Yes, it is. I wouldn't even use AR for perfect IVs, yet alone a new early game team. Not legit!
Yes, it is cheating. It's like if someone lost their wallet and decided to rob a bank to compensate the money they lost. You can see the logic behind it, but it'd still be wrong. At the very least you should beat the game's story first.
It's cheating, but the question isn't "is it cheating?" the question is, does it bother you.
Do you need to tell yourself it's not cheating to be ok with doing it? Then tell yourself that, but if you're asking if using an Action Replay device to hack your save to get things that in that save you didn't earn, it's cheating.
I personally see nothing wrong with that, but I don't have a hardline AGAINST cheating. I try not to do it as it ruins my own fun, and I abhor it in multiplayer games as that's just low, but besides those two things, I have no problem with cheating. I utilize glitches and hacks in a game if it doesn't ruin the experience for me.
Do you need to tell yourself it's not cheating to be ok with doing it? Then tell yourself that, but if you're asking if using an Action Replay device to hack your save to get things that in that save you didn't earn, it's cheating.
I personally see nothing wrong with that, but I don't have a hardline AGAINST cheating. I try not to do it as it ruins my own fun, and I abhor it in multiplayer games as that's just low, but besides those two things, I have no problem with cheating. I utilize glitches and hacks in a game if it doesn't ruin the experience for me.
From my viewpoint, as long as you make sure the pokemon have legal stats, movesets, and abilitys, they're fine, speaking from a competitive pokemon viewpoint.
And using it to get back pokemon that you should have rightfully had is fair.
And using it to get back pokemon that you should have rightfully had is fair.
I barely use any of the new pokemon anyway, I think I have my starter and then the rest are from previous generations. I never saw the point of transferring pokemon to a new game I just start fresh every time.
but to answer the question: yes it's cheating, life is unfair, shit happens, we all deal with it everyday.
not to say you shouldn't do it, it's clearly not my choice but I wouldn't bother.
but to answer the question: yes it's cheating, life is unfair, shit happens, we all deal with it everyday.
not to say you shouldn't do it, it's clearly not my choice but I wouldn't bother.
When it comes to pokemon, my philosophy is that if you're using the AR to get a pokemon you could conceivably raise within the confines of the game's rules
(abilities, moves, EVs, stats etc. are all possible and attainable)
You're just taking a shortcut... not really cheating. You don't have to be skilled to grind.
(abilities, moves, EVs, stats etc. are all possible and attainable)
You're just taking a shortcut... not really cheating. You don't have to be skilled to grind.
Yeah but the thing is the original poster wants to use the action replay to give himself a full team of Pokemon you cannot legitimately get at the start of the game, with at least one of them unobtainable at any point of the game legitimately (without trading).Innegativeion said:
In Pokemon, the game railroads you into using the pokemon the GAME wants you to use. "You want a Squirtle? Well too bad, you have to use a Totodile. This is silver, *****." I never liked that, since with a game with tons of monsters at your disposal, you should get to pick the ones you want.
The hardcore players may say, "You can get the ones you want! You just have to play through the game to get them and then grind to get them to the level you want." Well I'm sorry, but I hate grind, and I want to get the special connection with my pokemon that you get by traveling the entire game with them and beating gym leaders and such.
As far as trading goes, I hated that too. I consider that to be MORE cheating since you get experience boosts with traded guys, and it didn't feel right to have another trainers name on my pokemon. I want him to be mine, dammit!
Back in the day, I used a gameshark to give myself and eevee at the start of Pokemon Gold version, and pretended he was my first pokemon and deposited my starter on the pc. And do you know what? That save game was by FAR my most memorable and favorite pokemon adventure I had. Some call it cheating, I call it enjoying my game the way I wanted.
Hell, the only person it really affects is YOU. If you want a team, you'll get it eventually, so it doesn't give you an unfair advantage over others. Other players might be butthurt about it cuz they wasted hours and hours of their lives leveling that Cindaquil they caught the fair way, but screw them. They can keep their grind, you enjoy your game with the pokemon you want.
The hardcore players may say, "You can get the ones you want! You just have to play through the game to get them and then grind to get them to the level you want." Well I'm sorry, but I hate grind, and I want to get the special connection with my pokemon that you get by traveling the entire game with them and beating gym leaders and such.
As far as trading goes, I hated that too. I consider that to be MORE cheating since you get experience boosts with traded guys, and it didn't feel right to have another trainers name on my pokemon. I want him to be mine, dammit!
Back in the day, I used a gameshark to give myself and eevee at the start of Pokemon Gold version, and pretended he was my first pokemon and deposited my starter on the pc. And do you know what? That save game was by FAR my most memorable and favorite pokemon adventure I had. Some call it cheating, I call it enjoying my game the way I wanted.
Hell, the only person it really affects is YOU. If you want a team, you'll get it eventually, so it doesn't give you an unfair advantage over others. Other players might be butthurt about it cuz they wasted hours and hours of their lives leveling that Cindaquil they caught the fair way, but screw them. They can keep their grind, you enjoy your game with the pokemon you want.
Honestly, i wouldn't give a damn how you get any event pokemons. I got a lot of the event pokemons in Soulsilver over not exactly legit means, just so i have them. I wasn't even planning to use them, i just want the few pokedex entries i can't get any other way done. Events over here are rare and there is barely any announcements.
It's different for tournaments though, for obvious reasons, but i bet there are rules against legendaries in many of them anyways.
It's different for tournaments though, for obvious reasons, but i bet there are rules against legendaries in many of them anyways.