The Afterlife has to Suck
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We cannot have knowledge of something we have nothing A Posterii to relate it to. Trying to work out what an afterlife would be like would be a born-blind person thinking what the colour yellow looks like. Even things we can identitify as true without the senses (Cogito Ergo Sum), we wouldn't be able to identify this as true without the concept of what thinking is. So working out whether or not the Afterlife is gonna suck is going to be a tad difficult. [sub]Though an eternity of anything in my opinion is totally uncool, even without all my moral rejections of an afterlife just from that it's still unappealing. [/sub]
...So based on that Judeo-Christian afterlife, yeah, kinda sucks. Though that's not the only Judeo-Christian view of the afterlife - for example, take the John Hick's Replica Theory.
Religion, why you gotta be so difficult to generalise? It makes my job as a non believer to hate you indiscriminately unnecessarily more complicated.
Assuming a Judeo-Christian god, we would not need to be entertained. We would be so in awe of God's holiness that we would be spending eternity worshipping/praising him. See the Seraph class of angel. Which, again assuming Judeo-Christian god, anyone who gets into a Judeo-Christian heaven would be totally cool with, since anyone who isn't will be languishing in hell for all eternity.Breaker deGodot said:
...So based on that Judeo-Christian afterlife, yeah, kinda sucks. Though that's not the only Judeo-Christian view of the afterlife - for example, take the John Hick's Replica Theory.
Religion, why you gotta be so difficult to generalise? It makes my job as a non believer to hate you indiscriminately unnecessarily more complicated.
I'm so glad I wasn't doing anything, that was brilliant.geK0 said:
no one knows man, its hard to grasp the idea that when we die there will just be nothing we will cease to exist we wont feel anything we'll just be gone. The after life idea, hell you could spend your entire life just trying to figure out how it will work, ive always had this one recurring thought that made me question if there will be any "paradise after death" it goes a little like this, Ok so i really want to bang _______ (enter amazing beautiful man/woman) and that would be the first thing i want to do when i get to "heaven" but heres the catch ______ (enter amazing beautiful man/woman) in real life does not want to bang me, so who ever im banging, even if it looks like he/she, wont be real and if i realize he/she is fake then it wont be sincere and my paradise will be lost. This shit keeps me up at night man
This is why YOU, me and everyone here could never get into any theoretical eternally happy after life. We as humans have moods. To be eternally happy you would have to be fundamentally altered in someway that would make the person in this theoretical space, not what you would consider... you.
I think I make sense. Go away.
I think I make sense. Go away.
What this guy said. If you believe in a God that allows people into Heaven, you think he wants to be surrounded by screaming insane people? He'll figure it out.Jedoro said:
Also, <link-http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.267231-The-Paradox-of-Heaven#10208004>OMG THIS GOES IN RELIGION AND POLITIX!
Assuming you're always happy though, and always content, it could be that you're incapable of boredom. Kind of like how Heaven is depicted in Johnny the Homicidal Maniac: Everyone is perfectly at peace and content to sit in a chair for all eternity.
I see it like this though: the soul (assuming it exists) is its own entity with its own means of storing information. Once our Earthly body dies it goes about doing whatever it does. If it inhabits a new body, that new body won't remember the old soul's previous life or, lives. If the soul goes and dies...hm...fuck it, I'll find out when I'm dead.
edit - I used to think about dying a lot when I was a kid (not old enough to be Goth about it too) and it always scared the shit out of me. I would think of it like this: while watching a movie, no matter what movie, there is the opening credits that you don't really care about/remember (early childhood) then there's the movie itself (which can be a couple of episodes or a 2-hour thing), then the credits, legal stuff then...black...This was back in the VHS days. I would let the VHS tape run until my VCR stopped and began to rewind automatically but I thought of that as being like death. You have a life (good, bad, musical) then you have...just blackness and silence that goes on forever. Some times it would take a while for a tape to stop and rewind you see...
I see it like this though: the soul (assuming it exists) is its own entity with its own means of storing information. Once our Earthly body dies it goes about doing whatever it does. If it inhabits a new body, that new body won't remember the old soul's previous life or, lives. If the soul goes and dies...hm...fuck it, I'll find out when I'm dead.
edit - I used to think about dying a lot when I was a kid (not old enough to be Goth about it too) and it always scared the shit out of me. I would think of it like this: while watching a movie, no matter what movie, there is the opening credits that you don't really care about/remember (early childhood) then there's the movie itself (which can be a couple of episodes or a 2-hour thing), then the credits, legal stuff then...black...This was back in the VHS days. I would let the VHS tape run until my VCR stopped and began to rewind automatically but I thought of that as being like death. You have a life (good, bad, musical) then you have...just blackness and silence that goes on forever. Some times it would take a while for a tape to stop and rewind you see...
Would we really notice how long life has been if it were eternal, we'd just be like, huh im 2026 years old cool, then continue to finish pleasing rosie o donald
and like buddy said above me, if you're happy and content you wont really give a shit
and like buddy said above me, if you're happy and content you wont really give a shit
I think the afterlife is one of three things:Fiz_The_Toaster said:
1. There is no afterlife. After you die, your memories and experiences are wiped clean and you begin a new life instantaneously. That is what that light at the end of the tunnel is: a new life.
2. There is limited afterlife. Depending on how good of a person you were, you may either get plugged into a new life immediately, or get a brief "ghost period" where you can go around and do whatever you like; see the cosmos, follow movie stars, watch stars explode, etc. After the ghost period, you get plugged into a new life (with the memory wipe of course) and then resume living.
3. There is unlimited afterlife. For this one, I think you are plugged into what you think is paradise, or a blank slate that you perceive as paradise, and just fill it with your perceptions of paradise. Either way, I think that as soon as you enter paradise, you undergo a change that removes greed, desires, and other things, so that you can enjoy infinity without going loopy. That is somewhat troublesome because I like myself the way I am, and don't want to be changed against my will.
And then of course, there's the belief that when you die, you just stop existing and the person you were is nothing but a memory and food for worms. But that is a very boring way to look at death imo.
I had that thought when i was like 12 years old, and became depressed for weeks, but after a few years i came to the conclusion that the afterlife must be free of boredom. Now it doesn't bother me much.
For now just concentrate on life's grandeur... It's brilliance... It's magnificence...
For now just concentrate on life's grandeur... It's brilliance... It's magnificence...
what if the afterlife didnt exist, and the earth was heaven and death is the end so we don't go insane, and we age to make the experience all the more worth whiledudagato said:
their probably is no afterlife, unless some super advanced alien being made one
That was one of the worst fanfics I've ever read, and I've read some pretty bad ones.BiscuitTrouser said:
Anyway, going to the judeo-christian heaven would have to alter your mind in some significant way because there is supposedly no suffering, which presumably includes mental torment. What about the people you loved who didn't make the final cut and are suffering in hell? What about the traumas you suffered while you were alive? Do you forget them? Do you accept it all and move on? What becomes of someone's character when all negative qualities are removed as would be necessary if they are freed of "sin", the very thing that makes us human?
You know how when you watch a movie that you haven't seen for a long time and it's good because it's been a while? You'd be able to go back to something you hadn't done in a while and enjoy it. That's if the traditionalist view is right about heaven, anyway.
Who knows what the hell will happen though, I hate when people say shit about the afterlife or lack there of with some implied certainty, that's cool that you are ignorant, I guess.
Personally I'm willing to bet it'd be cycles, if there is an afterlife, you'll live it for a while until "time" ends and then you'll come back eventually and live in the new universe with no knowledge of the prior one until time ends again, I just like the idea of cycles.
Who knows what the hell will happen though, I hate when people say shit about the afterlife or lack there of with some implied certainty, that's cool that you are ignorant, I guess.
Personally I'm willing to bet it'd be cycles, if there is an afterlife, you'll live it for a while until "time" ends and then you'll come back eventually and live in the new universe with no knowledge of the prior one until time ends again, I just like the idea of cycles.
So instead of people getting bored eventually, they're mindless slobs who get entertained by the local cardboard box.Jedoro said:
There's really no variation of 'heaven' that appeals to me. Either I'm free to eventually go completely nuts or I'm unable to feel all emotions because God gave me a lobotomy.
Plus, it's Heaven. Supposedly you get inside for being a do-gooder and staying away from sin. Well I like 'sinning'. It's fun to do stuff on Sundays, I enjoy eating shellfish and saying "GOD DAMNIT" when I hurt myself. The heavenly guidlines are too strict for my taste.
1. You wouldn't be human, therefore sleep would mean nothing.Esotera said:
2. Why do you think you would get to sleep in hell?
2. I just sort of assumed that hell would be living a similar life as the average human, but you continue to age and cannot die, ever. But there's every chance you can't sleep in any hell that could exist I suppose.Dangit2019 said:
1. If you're not human, it'd be quite a fundamental change, almost like dying and being reborn as something else. Even if the only thing changed was not needing to sleep, I think that'd still be a pretty big thing - it seems essential to how our minds work.