erttheking said:
So you're telling me he got a net worth of a few million dollars by not having a significant following?
To be fair, the original context for this was in regards to this insane person. So, I mean... Unless you can prove a "Mass following" attacked that person specifically, I think that argument has run its course, no matter how many times you move to goal posts to talk about "generality".
erttheking said:
The only thing I got out of that was "The views of Trans people on Tumblr don't count," (because apparently every last one isn't well adjusted) and that apparently you know better than the trans community. You know, I know a trans person (in actual real life, I didn't just run into one on the internet) and she's gone through a lot of crap. In Massachusetts. The state that's actually way ahead of the curve on LGBT rights in America. So pardon me if I the word of a person I've met in the flesh and blood over a couple of people you met online and who don't seem to be on the level with the majority of trans people.
To be fair, if you're on tumblr, you're basically out there to make your entire existence some massive cry for attention and do so by getting offended at every minor situation and excusing death threats and that sorta thing. So, yeah, it's kinda not worth considering.
As for the rest of your argument, it seems to boil down to "Well, I -know- better than you do!", as opposed to providing any sort of empirical evidence of this. So, I mean, forgive me if I'm not compelled. It's fair to say there's issues people who identify as transgendered face, but, the chances of them running into a Milo supporter in the flesh and this person being the source of their ills is... Unlikely, purely from a mathematical point of view.
erttheking said:
So you're telling me that four men were justified in beating a teen to death when they discovered she had male genitals after they corned her well after the fact and forced her to expose her genitals? Two of which didn't even have sex with her, they were just along for the ride? And they beat her, left her on the couch, went to go get tools from their truck, and continued to beat her? Before hogtying her body, throwing it in the truck, and burying it before proceeding to not call the police? Because that's the case that made legislation be passed to make that not an acceptable defense in California, the only state where that defense doesn't fly. Let's also ignore that the people in question were having sex with someone who didn't meet Californa's age of consent laws. Oh, and the one other case on record of this defense being pulled showed no indication of sex taking place. He just did it because he realized a trans woman was flirting with him and his friends mocked him for it. Neither of these cases sound like self defense. Lunatic, you really shouldn't be defending something that is basically a spin off of the "gay panic" defense.
It's not my place to say what's justified for a rape victim to do. I've never been in such a horrible situation myself. I can't really say. I'm not qualified, and I won't pretend to be. Rape is a serious crime which affects peoples minds far more than their physical bodies.
Regardless, you're mentioning one specific case, and not speaking in general terms. Which is what you said you were doing. So, it turns out, you're not actually doing that.
If you want to talk generalities, then, no, withholding information that affects consent is never acceptable, regardless of your orientation, identity or whatever else. It is rape, pure and simple.
erttheking said:
Well I'm not, so get that idea out of your head. I'm pretty sure the trans people Milo has feel less safe would disagree with you on that one, considering they seem to be more afraid for their lives than these people (who again, do not seem to believe that Alex will actually hurt them, but pointing that out in your book seems to mean I'm excusing death threats, which I'm fucking not) but then again you dismiss everything he says and does as "just saying mean things." Again, technically scientists publishing papers on the inferiority of Black people in the 1800s is just saying mean things, but words have impact and you dismissively brushing it off doesn't change that.
Citation needed. You can't prove these people feel more or less safe than Milo has made people feel.
erttheking said:
What, the article where he said he was being gay to piss off his parents? My apologies, I do this crazy thing call taking people at their word.
Then you'll understand me doing the same, surely?
erttheking said:
It took my some time to realize I was dealing with an utter **** who seems more interested in pissing people off and causing harm than doing anything else. I admit I was wrong there. But here's the thing. I actually had a source. You don't. Oh, you have sources but they don't exist anymore. And no one has archived them? The internet, obsessed with archiving everything to do with anything remotely SJW has no archives?
Citation needed.
I never said "nobody". I said I don't. Me personally. Somebody might. It's not my place to dig up dirt on people on the internet.
erttheking said:
Trans people still have to go through a lot of shit, Milo was fueling a culture where trans people don't feel safe, nothing has changed. Still no idea why you went on this tangent, it has nothing to do with anything and it doesn't prove anything.
Regardless, threatening to murder people is a few factors worse than holding negative opinions on trans people and mentioning them on the internet.
