Georgia. We spend far more time talking about slavery and the Civil Rights Movement than anything else in the history of the universe around here.Hannibal942 said:Where exactly do you live? I've been hearing about the atrocities committed against Native Americans all my life.Fappy said:For a long time I have always wonder why Native Americans are rarely ever considered when the "sins of our fathers" are discussed in the US.
Ah, makes sense. I live in California, and the topic is incessant in my school.Fappy said:Georgia. We spend far more time talking about slavery and the Civil Rights Movement than anything else in the history of the universe around here.Hannibal942 said:Where exactly do you live? I've been hearing about the atrocities committed against Native Americans all my life.Fappy said:For a long time I have always wonder why Native Americans are rarely ever considered when the "sins of our fathers" are discussed in the US.
Doclector said:Well, I'm english, and we kind of did the whole evil empire thing at one point. Y'know, we took hold of pretty much the entire world. Turned one of the countries into a damn prison, we had that many countries. Think about that, at what point have you reached the megalomaniac level of "Turn entire country into a prison".
Yeah, that's pretty damn awful. Sowwy...
burger was stolen from hamburg, a was the hot dog, frankfurter anyone?Fappy said:I think you just made me barf in my mouth a little.Daystar Clarion said:Coming from the guys who made burger in a can.Fappy said:You people disgust me. We Americans brought you hotdogs and you give us this horrendous shit!Daystar Clarion said:You think that's bad?SmashLovesTitanQuest said:I'm German, so my answer should be obvious.
For anyone who still doesn't get it, yes, I am talking about this stuff; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut.
Absolutely atrocious. I'll never forgive my ancestors for popularizing this disgusting stuff.
I'm surprised we're not on trial for crimes against humanity.
You guys should go first
i second that, oh wait we weren't alive back then so no one can blame usSieg Firebrand said:I'm British. We're responsible for America. I'm so sorry.
Thanks, I needed a good laugh. You definitely took it in a different direction than what I was expecting.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:I'm German, so my answer should be obvious.
For anyone who still doesn't get it, yes, I am talking about this stuff; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut.
Absolutely atrocious. I'll never forgive my ancestors for popularizing this disgusting stuff.
that is tragic, i feel better know that i dont associate's myself as British.......irish and scottish and welsh for me as far as i know..the link is very helpful...tasmania 'is' like the ''south'' (if you know what i mean) of australiaErja_Perttu said:So for it to be an atrocity, it doesn't matter that a race of people were systematically wiped out, especially in Tazmania, it has to be on a par with the Holocaust or it doesn't count. Sorry, but that's not how genocide works.xshadowscreamx said:there was no genocide, it was nothing compared to the native Americans or the Jewish Holocaust.Erja_Perttu said:..? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ehem - sorry. That's kind of hilarious. Doesn't genocide count as an atrocity anymore?xshadowscreamx said:well im Australian... ummm. i cant anything that was an atrocity in australia.
English here, so imperialism, general genocidal nastiness, crusading, all that stuff and nonsense. Whoops!
Anyway, on the subject of there not being one, that's not how the three Australian museums I went to presented it. I'll also point you to this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history#Australia , and I'll throw in some personal experience.
My grandfather was in the merchant navy in the fifties, and when he got to Sydney and was hitting it up with the (white) locals, they asked him to go on a trip with them. A hunting trip to be exact. I'll give you three guesses as to what they were hunting and considering the context of this conversation, you should get it in one.
The thing about it was, this practice was considered normal. It wasn't looked down on, or seen with horror to the majority at the time, it certainly wasn't illegal or considered murder. These people hunted aboriginal men and women for sport. As my grandpa was telling the story about it, he wasn't overly concerned, or guilty that the men he was with, and perhaps he himself, he didn't say, active went out and MURDERED people.
If you insist that the killing of many aboriginals wasn't genocide, believe what you want. But how is the story above not an atrocity?
thanks for that link, that great irish femine was really terrible, 1 million death 1/3 of the polulation, yet they where so resouceful and tough as nails. makes me proudErja_Perttu said:So for it to be an atrocity, it doesn't matter that a race of people were systematically wiped out, especially in Tazmania, it has to be on a par with the Holocaust or it doesn't count. Sorry, but that's not how genocide works.xshadowscreamx said:there was no genocide, it was nothing compared to the native Americans or the Jewish Holocaust.Erja_Perttu said:..? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Ehem - sorry. That's kind of hilarious. Doesn't genocide count as an atrocity anymore?xshadowscreamx said:well im Australian... ummm. i cant anything that was an atrocity in australia.
English here, so imperialism, general genocidal nastiness, crusading, all that stuff and nonsense. Whoops!
Anyway, on the subject of there not being one, that's not how the three Australian museums I went to presented it. I'll also point you to this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history#Australia , and I'll throw in some personal experience.
My grandfather was in the merchant navy in the fifties, and when he got to Sydney and was hitting it up with the (white) locals, they asked him to go on a trip with them. A hunting trip to be exact. I'll give you three guesses as to what they were hunting and considering the context of this conversation, you should get it in one.
The thing about it was, this practice was considered normal. It wasn't looked down on, or seen with horror to the majority at the time, it certainly wasn't illegal or considered murder. These people hunted aboriginal men and women for sport. As my grandpa was telling the story about it, he wasn't overly concerned, or guilty that the men he was with, and perhaps he himself, he didn't say, active went out and MURDERED people.
If you insist that the killing of many aboriginals wasn't genocide, believe what you want. But how is the story above not an atrocity?
xshadowscreamx said:Erja_Perttu said:xshadowscreamx said:Erja_Perttu said:Aaaaaand I call BS. How nice of you to vilify my entire country based on the homicidal predlictions of your grandfather. I've had multiple generations grow up in Sydney in those years and at no stage has anyone ever considered that normal practice.xshadowscreamx said:My grandfather was in the merchant navy in the fifties, and when he got to Sydney and was hitting it up with the (white) locals, they asked him to go on a trip with them. A hunting trip to be exact. I'll give you three guesses as to what they were hunting and considering the context of this conversation, you should get it in one.
The thing about it was, this practice was considered normal. It wasn't looked down on, or seen with horror to the majority at the time, it certainly wasn't illegal or considered murder. These people hunted aboriginal men and women for sport. As my grandpa was telling the story about it, he wasn't overly concerned, or guilty that the men he was with, and perhaps he himself, he didn't say, active went out and MURDERED people.
If you insist that the killing of many aboriginals wasn't genocide, believe what you want. But how is the story above not an atrocity?
For the record: Australia's policies regarding Aboriginal culture were iditotic, damgaing and grossly incompetent, but hardly genocidial. There was never an express policy of eradication, but a belief that they would be naturally 'bred out' i.e through interbreeding. Can we get our horror story right? It was Eugenics, not genocide.
Well you approached that with a heavy amount of research NOT!!!!crazyfills said:Errm well umm . . . Empire . . . slavery? . . . politics dominated by a tea company? . . . nope . . . oh I got it, the invention of consetration camps.
Yeah england has been behind some terrible atrocitys thats for sure and thats not counting food or music.
The hotdog actually comes from GermanyHelmholtz Watson said:You people disgust me. We Americans brought you hotdogs and you give us this horrendous shit!