"I punched a bloke in the face once for saying Hawk the Slayer was rubbish."BigTuk said:
I watched Hawk the Slayer based on Bilbo Bagshot's recommendation. I liked it in an unironic way and I usually don't care for 80's low budget fare.
The Big Picture: Dumping Irony
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I watched Hawk the Slayer based on Bilbo Bagshot's recommendation. I liked it in an unironic way and I usually don't care for 80's low budget fare.
Huh.
"Crime" is such an interesting thing.
Over here, it's unlawful to refer to the extreme right as "neonazis", because they hold a bunch of power in parliament and are popular.
And it is not illegal to pirate whatever music, films, or software you want from the internet.
You also get to drink at the age of 18.
People should keep in mind that laws are completely arbitrary.
"Crime" is such an interesting thing.
Over here, it's unlawful to refer to the extreme right as "neonazis", because they hold a bunch of power in parliament and are popular.
And it is not illegal to pirate whatever music, films, or software you want from the internet.
You also get to drink at the age of 18.
People should keep in mind that laws are completely arbitrary.
This is what I tell people who enjoy 'Twilight', as long as you know a good portion of it is proberly not good for you then why the fuck do you care what others have to say? Its like enjoying sweets, you will proberly get diabetes if you eat to many but as long as you know this than people can't argue, its your choice.
I don't think Invader Zim ever wore the 'ironic' badge, I think its shear freaking weirdness/randomness/gross factor made it enjoyable for older fans, in the same way as 'Ren & Stimpy'. However, those other shows are a real slap in the face of the ironic argument, they're just legit good (although I have never seen Voltron so I can't really argue on its behalf).Ukomba said:That really did a lot to damage the Irony requirement for liking things. If people can really like mlp, why not Adventure Time? Gravity Falls is awesome, Invader Zim deserved more seasons, I will wear that classic Voltron shirt, ext.Worgen said:I think chunk norris's popularity is the name, hes got a very recognizable name.
I also think that irony like your talking about might be diminishing. I mean we have a big population of people who are willing to wholeheartedly embrace this.
When pretty much anything that is geared towards girls or children is seen as something that you can only enjoy 'ironically'.
In the same way I think it hurt Irony heavy shows like Family Guy. Not really Robot Chicken since that seems to embrace nostalgia rather than mock it.
I've actually never heard someone say they appreciate something ironically. I've heard people say they like the unpredictability of a terrible media construct, or that they enjoy something on the basis of nostalgia while acknowledging that other people may find it objectively bad. These positions are quite healthy to take as they can lead to a deeper discussion of what the person actually enjoys about a show and why, or why a person might find a particular construct unpredictable and what that says about the creators of the show in relation to the person.
More often the result is an agreement to disagree in the form of "That's bad and you should feel bad", but it leaves the conversational options open.
More often the result is an agreement to disagree in the form of "That's bad and you should feel bad", but it leaves the conversational options open.
I find the best practice is to love irony, but not to love things ironically. Though, I suppose it's possible to love those who love things ironically. It might become a scenario that leads to actual, delicious, hilarious irony at their expense.
Not what I meant. I just mean it's no longer seen as strange to say you like a Nickelodeon cartoon. You can like Invader Zim because it funny and the animation is great. Where before it seemed more like, Invader Zim can be liked because it's a perversely dark kids show. You no longer have to be emo or goth to like it. You don't have to be a Girl to like MLP, you don't have to be a kid to like any cartoon you like.PunkRex said:
That's another reason I think it hurts shows like Family Guy and other 'Adult' cartoons that were on the 'safe to like' list.
Older Voltron is pretty good in an old Anime style. The Newest Voltron isn't terrible. The New Thundercats is really good too. So is the new Ninja Turtles.
Everyone has gotten way past the irony excuse about the things they like. Teenagers, for example, state that they like "nerdy" things because they want to fit in with others or because they really do. Nobody says they enjoy things "ironically". They either say they like it or they don't. Most of this stuff is crap anyways, but like what you like. (That's a good phrase.)
I knew Chuck Norris was in a bunch of terrible B movies, but holy shit I had no idea he had his own animated series. ...and I kinda liked it that way.
YES!!! Thank you for this video, Bob, and I couldn't agree more! I just got back from Fanime in San Jose, CA this past weekend, and it is an irony-free zone. Everybody there likes what they like and show no shame about it. If you spent as much time and money on your costume as they did, of course that shows how big a fan you are! I always associated liking something "ironically" with meaning you really hate it, and there's no room for haters in Fanime. When you're there, you're there to watch videos, attend panels, shop for artbooks, figurines, DVDs, what-have-you, play games, and you damn well have fun. Bob, I think you'd love it there.
Damn straight.Mr. Q said:
OT: I don't get the "ironic" thing anyway. While laid up with worse than normal back problems I've been watching a lot of Power Rangers. And despite knowing they're not good shows, fuck it. They're fun. I enjoy rubber suit monsters and teenagers with attitudes fighting them. They're even better when the shows embrace the cheese, in fact. I don't think this is ironic; I am sincerely enjoying these shows, and somewhat because they're bad, but more because there's something earnestly endearing about them to me.
Just like what you like, people. Enjoying something "ironically" has always sounded so ridiculously douchey and transparent.
This was kind of the episode I have been wanting for a while, but was not as direct as I want it to be. I really would like to see Bob's perspective about enjoying and participating in things associated with the "nerdy" or "geeky" stigma, and why there exists such a stigma in the first place. My little personal anecdote was just last night I was talking to my friend about how we should buy some Magic decks and have some fun that I wasn't allowed to have as a kid due to growing up in a home with religious parents who heard that they were satanic. He thought that was an awesome idea but he was embarrassed to be see buying them. I know that comics, Magic, anime, and anything related used to be mainly associated with strange antisocial people who do nothing but what they are obsessed with and that they tend to be physically unfit, unattractive, and lonely. While I am sure people like that exist that is hardly the truth as a whole; furthermore comic characters are now some of the most popular and well known characters thanks mainly to the movies. So I would like to see a well thought out theory why it seems the many people that loved the Avengers movie would be embarrassed to walk into their local comic shop to get an Avengers book.
Speaking only for myself, I'm pretty grateful for this.Worgen said:I think chunk norris's popularity is the name, hes got a very recognizable name.
I also think that irony like your talking about might be diminishing. I mean we have a big population of people who are willing to wholeheartedly embrace this.
When pretty much anything that is geared towards girls or children is seen as something that you can only enjoy 'ironically'.
Fair play.Ukomba said:
Personally, I don't enjoy the new Thunder Cats. I never watched the original so it's not a nostalgia thing, I think the shows so afraid of depicting violance it ends up dancing around every problem. Although i've only watched about 4 episodes so, again, im not the best person to ask.
I did enjoy those Chuck Norris jokes. I enjoyed it more once Chuck was told about them and read some of them out loud, laughing all the way through.
My enthusiasm for the man kinda reversed itself after I found out about his political leanings and what the man says into microphones. He is politically incorrect, in a non-ironical, literal way.
My enthusiasm for the man kinda reversed itself after I found out about his political leanings and what the man says into microphones. He is politically incorrect, in a non-ironical, literal way.
Great, I'm a bad Christian for being a communist. Thanks for giving me the stupids internet.Imp Emissary said:
Bah! It's just the talk of madmen.Evil Smurf said:
If I learned one thing in church(it was hard to do that ;p), it's Jesus loves everyone. Hell, even the new Pope just had a talk with the people around him saying Jesus saved everyone, not just the people who worshiped him.
Besides. ;3 Who could hate your face.
