Drake_Dercon said:
I know this has already been echoe by many
If many means two people, then yeah, I guess that's many to "echoe."
Drake_Dercon said:
Not to say that I don't agree that there should have been considerable testing and law-making before any of this became available, but that's not to say GM crops are the devil, either.
Now, see right there?
That's how you fearmonger, folks. Too bad one of Bob's supporters is actually doing the fearmongering. I did none of it. I didn't say that GM crops are absolutely and under all circumstances bad -- but how and why it's being done is clearly terrible right now. But hey, why actually read a post when you can make up some strawman and argue with yourself, right?
Drake_Dercon said:
For one, the blatant insult of legitimate arguments gets on my nerves, especially when the fear-mongers are not affecting the activists, they're misinforming the masses, and masses are notoriously stupid.
Well, since I didn't insult a single legitimate argument, it seems you were upset due to your own predilections. I can't help your anxiety. In addition, I'm concerned with things in the real world, as opposed to your and Bob's fantasy land of eeeeeevil food-hating activists, so I don't have the same concerns as you -- nor am I concerned with the boogeyman or the monster under the bed, either. (What can I say, I'm a risk-taker.)
Drake_Dercon said:
But the carrot gag wasn't a gag. It was an important point. The media has created fear of something for its existence, not its abuse, and the general populace is taking it the wrong way. Don't deny that. If you do, you're the liar here.
So here's the point in case someone missed it several times over: the thesis of Bob's claim relies on the existence of irrational, crazy anti-GM people who are distorting the political process --
and those people don't exist. That's the bullshit in the gears. Bob made up a boogeyman. The media may throw out trite and stupid phrases, but dumb media trend does not a political lobby make -- thus Bob was making shit up. He says it straight-up in the posts above that these terrible people are stopping poor widdle GMC producers from doing yummy science -- that's a fever dream. The people concerned with Monsanto et. al. have serious, legitimate, and well-reasoned concerns. We have death tolls already in the hundreds of thousands to millions depending on how you want to count it from indirect harm, and well onto the thousands for direct harm (if you're counting problems in India and Africa), alongside untold property damage and theft.
So Bob and his buddies here are fearmongering. They're making up a bunch of fantasy activsts who don't exist. That's the central problem here, though far from the only one.
Drake_Dercon said:
MOST people don't know what a chimera is (including the fearful). Snipped wacky stuff about the Middle East
Then if you don't explain it you have no business instructing anyone on the issue. And there are no "fearful" here -- you're fearmongering again.
Drake_Dercon said:
Selective breeding is not identical to genetic engineering by any means, but it is a very similar principal.
Okay, stop, wrong. Twice wrong in one sentence -- we're off to a great start. They are not similar
principles (that spelling would be error one). Selective breeding involves, for the umpteenth time, using natural processes to change a species. Creatures mate and produce offspring. Genetic engineering involves no mating; wholly different species have genetic material combined. If you can't see the difference there, even with the posts above, there's really no hope here. It's already been explained. The outcome of a crossbreeding pair is fairly predictable since the offspring can't be too different from the parent. The outcome of genetic engineering can vary widely, and umpredictably, depending upon the modification made.
Drake_Dercon said:
The extraction of some genes in favor of others. It was a comparison used to reinforce the argument.
These sentences didn't make logical sense. I'll just leave them.
Drake_Dercon said:
Not, by any means, an absolute truth (and a comparison should NEVER be taken as such).
The comparison was invalid and came to a nonsensical conclusion because it was based on erroneous statements of fact. No one said that it was making a claim of "absolute truth," whatever the hell that is.
Drake_Dercon said:
Two completely different species resemble eachother in that they are both species (this is where the testing comes in).
WTF? Are you drunk? What did that mean?
Drake_Dercon said:
Did you know humans share 5% of our DNA with bananas?
what is this i don't even
Drake_Dercon said:
Snipped wacky crap about tests.
The point was made numerous times that inadequate safegaurds and insufficient testing involving GMCs abound.
Drake_Dercon said:
No, it's not a natural event, but neither is the computer on which you type your unreferenced arguments.
Wtf x2.
You're on a computer as well. So -- wait, the property we own determines the facts? Awesome.
As for references -- um, where are yours? Where are Bob's? And, ah, funny story here: if you actually google any of the issues Bob's critics raise, you can find the relevant facts easily. Your facts are only found if we invent a web search engine for your fevered imagination.
Drake_Dercon said:
Kingdoms are irrelevent. It all uses DNA, it's all life. Kingdoms are an archaic form of representation that only exist today for the purposes of categorization. That bit was just science-hate.
Wtf x3 -- hat trick! "Science-hate?!" You babble something incoherent and irrelevant about bananas having some genetic similarity with humans (zounds! two species on the same planet share genetic material!) and I'm the one who hates science? Dude or dudette, I don't know what science-hate is, but you are definately badtouching some intellectual discipline here -- science, logic, grammar -- you name it. And the point of mentioning kingdoms that you missed so thoroughly is that selective breeding couldn't even begin to produce the results that genetic engineering could. But hey, don't let things like "the point" get in the way of your fancies.
Drake_Dercon said:
And what do you expect? You want a guy who's career is based around movies, speaking to people who may not have a full grasp of university-level biology to give you the scientifically correct explanation?
No, I want a person who puts up a video on a media site to not lie.
And you do realise that, unlike myself, you just attacked Bob's authority to make the post
in the first place?
Wait, what am I saying? No, you don't realise this.
Drake_Dercon said:
The genetic engineering is a simplification of effort and process, not method. GM means that you didn't spend 500 years of trial and error to get impossible results.
Wtf x4. Genetic engineering is not a method? What?!
Drake_Dercon said:
But it DOES all exist in nature.
What, you mean genetic engineering? No, by definition, it doesn't. Do you mean genetic
material? If so, that's just inane. You should therefore claim that automobiles are natural because their components come from nature and not from, say, the shade dimension containing Carcosa.
My God -- that's it, isn't it? It's not that your arguments are doggerel -- you must know of the mysteries of the King In Yellow!
Have you seen the Yellow Sign?
Drake_Dercon said:
Biological systems are quite simple. Their interaction is not.
Aaaaaaand that's the game folks, thanks for coming out!
That's right. Biological systems are "quite simple." We're done here.
Drake_Dercon said:
Incomprehensible argument involving Frankenstein (?) snipped
Hastur! Hastur! Hastur!